Thrills and kills in the Alb frontier

[Ensceptifica]

Ok 2 things:

1. I was hoping you'd spot us, as we came to fight. The first to spot us were Mids however, and I was kind of worried that would bring Mids to our own frontier as Mids been using every opportunity they get lately ( ;

2. This thread is light of heart and I started it to motivate Albion players to take part in battles for keeps. If anyone feels the need to flame, whine about realm imbalance, population imbalance, zergs, calling eachother lame, etc... don't reply. It's simple: keep the grief to yourself, even if you're trying to bring forth arguments for the Hib side of the keep defense. Don't flame. It sucks. Nobody is helped with people flaming eachother. It is not fun. You spoil my thread and most good arguments in it drown in the flood of flame posts that follow and people that can actually contribute stop reading threads if you spoil it with flames. Don't flame. It sucks. We're all people playing the same game, we don't live in any realms.

 

[old.chipper]

your saying dont flame but thats your realm mates who are doing it posts like this cause flaming. (well anypost causes flaming these days) i have NEVER taking a keep off the hibbies while they have been rdy to defend its hard enough to do with 1 fg in there let alone about 30 of ya. middies is a hard fight but possible been on a few keep raids that mids have occupied and booted em out. but to be fair if u havent played an albion class and i mean played it to high lvl dont presume to judge our tactics (or lack of) if u enjoy been mezzed for about 1min 20secs and watchin your mates go down around you then thats your problem personally it does my head in, this game is still about mez and it needs sorting sooner mythic realise that the better
hibernia are the most powerful realm simply cos there the magical realm and magic attacks do more dmg than any other attack im not saying your the best realm to be honest i would have to give that award to the middies atm *cries* there tactics and stuff are just wiping the floor with us unless we zerg we rarely win.

point is no one likes fighting for a worthless cause especially when you know all your gonna do is make your enemy stronger.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by censi
lol they still just dont get it.

Oh for Christ sake!

On THE PAPER it might seem to be more balanced than what it really is. It's NOT balanced, you have to have ACTUAL GAME EXPERIENCE from alb to see that IT'S NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK. Hibernia is better suited for the keep defending task than what Albion is for the keep attacking task. You hibs complain about that we don't get it, it's YOU who don't get it, you are still hopelessly convinced because the stats you see in some skillplanner seems to be as good as anyone elses. There are so many things that can make something unbalanced. It's not just the class and it's support classes. It's the surroundings, the attackers, the keeps, EVERYTHING that surrounds that character has got to do with the playability of that class. And if you play Alb it's hard to see what weakness Hibs might have. But it sure as hell isn't hard for Hibs to discover Albs weakness. Keeps!

I am not pointing at one reason and saying that that's what albs are worse in. I am merely trying to point out that you hibernians are in no position to tell Albs what is easy and what is hard to do with Albion characters.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
Ok 2 things:


2. This thread is light of heart and I started it to motivate Albion players to take part in battles for keeps. If anyone feels the need to flame, whine about realm imbalance, population imbalance, zergs, calling eachother lame, etc... don't reply. It's simple: keep the grief to yourself, even if you're trying to bring forth arguments for the Hib side of the keep defense. Don't flame. It sucks. Nobody is helped with people flaming eachother. It is not fun. You spoil my thread and most good arguments in it drown in the flood of flame posts that follow and people that can actually contribute stop reading threads if you spoil it with flames. Don't flame. It sucks. We're all people playing the same game, we don't live in any realms.

Ok, got a bit intense earlier and i appologize. Was a bit pissed off at the time after another night of hibs tk campin at atk. But anyway, point i'm trying to make. People don't defend keeps because they want to farm rps (well most don't). Infact when i'm rvring i don't think about rps at all, at the end of the night i might look at how many i made but during the night i'll be concentrating on having fun. Which is the point after all of playing a game, is it not? There are always ways to overcome an obstacle. You have a lot of very good classes in albion who could help you take a defended keep. Surely aoe the doors with some ranged aoe, will keep the pesky pbers away from your tanks (smite clerics have one as do fire wizzies and i know i've seen (felt) plenty of those about ) you have a lot of very good infi's too, send them in to kill people and cause general disruption. There are lots of other things you could try, many you may already have tried.

But anyway, may not be fun to get ganked tryin to retake your keep, but first few times i went rvr i got ganked and it wasn't much fun. But i knew with practice i'd get better, i now know how to play my eld to better effect now and have a lot more fun when i head off invader killin. Practice makes perfect, if you keep tryin eventually you will discover some tactics that work and the game will be a more fun experience for all concerned.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by old.chipper
your saying dont flame but thats your realm mates who are doing it posts like this cause flaming.

Like I said: don't flame even if you're trying to defend the hib side of the argument.

been mezzed for about 1min 20secs and watchin your mates go down around you

That's exactly what I face everytime I encounter an alb group: 1:13 or longer mez, so my bubble is canceled, and my group gets taken off one by one. It's the nature of the game, and I'm glad with the coming of purge (which I personally don't have, so I still always end up mezzed watching most of the fights go by) it's become less of a decisive factor.

point is no one likes fighting for a worthless cause especially when you know all your gonna do is make your enemy stronger.

I practise and think up new tactics, and sometimes they work and that makes me happy. In the end you'll always run into something stronger, so you go and think up something better; you don't wanna go and make the same mistake again. I understand that if you know there's 30 hibs camping a keep, and you're not likely to bring at least that amount of albs to reclaim it, you don't like the odds and will decide not to come. Still, it's very sad that people use the "we'd give them rps" argument for it. You should see Xyna pushing people to go and attack against all odds sometimes ( ;

From my side of the story, this raid was a success because people showed up, we took the keeps we planned (and when you took Renaris back, we came and took it again ), and people had the patience to wait and defend. Seeing the prep time, that made me very proud. It would have been the icing on the cake had Albs shown up to receive a beating. 60 albs would've been madness, sure would have enjoyed that ( ; And yes, we did take bards and aoe's with us for exactly those things the Albs fear the Hibs for ( ;

Next time I'll try and give Albs some more reason to come out and play though ( ;

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
You hibs complain about that we don't get it

No, a few people playing Hibernia who post on this forum complain that several other people playing the same game but in a different realm don't get some senseless argument about game dynamics that exist regardless of who plays what. Can people please stop acting like players from different realms are a different breed of humans?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica

No, a few people playing Hibernia who post on this forum complain that several other people playing the same game but in a different realm don't get some senseless argument about game dynamics that exist regardless of who plays what. Can people please stop acting like players from different realms are a different breed of humans?

Oh, funny, I thought the whole idea of getting the game balanced was because there was to much imbalance. I am not speaking about the players, I'm speaking about the EXPERIENCE, which is different, from realm to realm.

 

[Tigerius]

Oh please, you telling me you had 30 people, 4 FGs, a real zerg, hiding out in one little keep and just sit there and wind yourself up over us not coming?

4 FGs? Christ! What did you expect us to show up with? Our entire realm? With those numbers you could have gone and fought us right outside our own realm gates and probably won. The only ones making excuses here are the hibs making excuses for why they don't take up a fight on neutral territory when they have the numbers for it.

For the record, I agree that fighting outside emain and keep taking/defense can be amusing under the right circumstances, but that doesn't mean it will happen on your terms and that we will just show up and be farmed. Sometimes you take a close fight, but when you see that the enemy has an excessive force and aimes to achieve nothing but RP then you can't blame people for bowing out.

Further for the record, Albs just won't show up with 6FGs to take a normal keep. There just aren't that many interested at any single time. When you plan to have some fun keep defense/offense action then limit yourselves to a force that a normal keep taking force can handle alright?

 

[Armolas]

Well, if it takes 60 people to get a keep back, us hibs will get them together (eventually, after many false starts, people going in in 1 and 2 fgs and getting killed 1st of course) and then give you a battle for any fort. Mids tend to do the same, but without so many false starts, so Alya kind of expected you to act likewise.

I'm sure she's learnt from it what not to do now

Anyway, trying not to flame, at Alya's direction, but it seems that mids and hibs are more inclined to go and assault well defended keeps, I can't really think of a reason for it, given that there are more Albs, but maybe more of you means more miscommunication or something, it can't be that no one in alb wants to go take the keeps back.

 

[Danya]

Just to set the record straight here, it's not possible to AoE the lord room of a PBAE defended keep if the defenders have a clue what they are doing. The only spell that can target them is GTAE, which we don't have yet. The only valid tactic I can think of for stopping PBAE spam is for a healer to get close enough and insta AE CC them. Albs have no ranged AE CC so that's clearly not an option. Anyone who says that taking a PBAE defended keep with less than 4-5 times the numbers is possible or even easy is talking out of their arse.
TBH I don't blame the albs for not bothering. You weren't threatening their relic security, you were just after a farm. If they don't find the prospect of being repeatedly PBAE spammed to death entertaining then you can hardly blame them.

 

[Aussie-]

It took hibs 1 day to get Da Behnn back.
guess alot albs waited there too. so wtf is your point.

"hey i'm a hib and i want easy rp's ?"

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Aussie-
It took hibs 1 day to get Da Behnn back.
guess alot albs waited there too. so wtf is your point.

"hey i'm a hib and i want easy rp's ?"

Who wants that keep in the back of beyond anyway?

 

[Armolas]

Originally posted by Aussie-
It took hibs 1 day to get Da Behnn back.
guess alot albs waited there too. so wtf is your point.

"hey i'm a hib and i want easy rp's ?"

Well when you had Da Behnnn, we spent about 2 hours+ sieging Aillinn, which was chock full of mids at the time - Aillinn is a bit more important to us than Da Behnn, so that was enough for us for the day. (If I've got times/ dates wrong, correct me - but it was about the same time).

I am sure you can remember many sieges of crim/cruach where we took it whilst defended also.

And mids will come attack us in pbaoe keeps - AoE CC will help, but if you really ought to bring a sorcerer fro that.

And when you defend keeps, get your ice wizzies out so we can see how hard it is first hand.

As an aside, are there any high level ice wizzies on excal - I haven't seen one for a while, and they should be the easiest char to level, so I am a bit bemused as to why there don't seem to be many around.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Tigerius
but when you see that the enemy has an excessive force and aimes to achieve nothing but RP then you can't blame people for bowing out.

Aye, but that wasn't the case here. Like I said: we came to fight, not to harvest rps. I don't harvest rps. I spend evenings trying to get people together into nice rvr groups that team well and take our keeps back, or just try and kill who we can in Emain. And like in every realm, it's hard to organise and motivate people to do that kind of thing usually, especially in the spur of the moment. Lately, for a change, I try to bring the fights to Albion, as that frontier gets way too little attention.

I didn't feel like camping your realmgate as that would hardly be a challenge with 30 peeps, so I decided to take the keeps closest to your relic. I was hoping that would get you alarmed enough to get you out with a good force so we could have a good fight. For fun. Not for rps. Like I said before. It really is not for rps. ok? fun. not rps. Like when we defended Erasleigh/Sursbrooke, keep forgetting which one it was... I never had such a great time defending (usually people get bored, run off and die 1 by 1), and I had never thought we'd manage to stay alive when the Albs broke through the doors. It wasn't until when I decided to log off that I noticed the rps. Sure that was a nice bonus. The other day we took Scathaig back as it was defended by Mids. Hard fight, was great. If I got 10 rps for that, it's a lot. I didn't care. It's not about the rps. ok? ( ;

To Aussie: the 'wtf is your point' is a flame. Don't flame in my posts plz.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Lessurl



Who wants that keep in the back of beyond anyway?

( ;

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Heh, to whomever that said we should aoe mez you.. Id like to see you get a cloth caster (sorc.) up the stairs when theres a ton of enemies pbaoe'ing on the top of the stairs out of view.. GL

Hmm, the highest damage on those is around 300 base. On a cloth caster its prolly higher. Having 2 of those hit you will do like 600 dmg. Thats a dead caster. Out of your 30 or whatever hibs, how many pbaoe'rs are that? 10?

Can you blame us albs for lacking the will to attack defended keeps after facing the awesome might of da HEALER night after night in renaris? We did a few attacks just to shove the mids out of our backyard but after getting 'you are paralyzed' *smack smack smack* dead, a few times, we lost all the sense of fun in taking a defended keep. So sue us.