This What The Game Has Come To ?

[Iceflower]

Interesting attitudes displayed in this thread.

The funny thing it that quite a few of the posters have voiced opinions that Mythic dev team have not clue when changes to the game is published and still find it normal to play a game where you have to pay twice for it to play competitively. The dev team is not clueless, they are bloody geniuses when designing this game, the owners of Mythic's and their partners, like GOA, is laughing all the way to the bank after that team by their design choices managed to indoctrinate the playerbase to pay twice to access the game. Some follow the hint they give you and fork up the gold some dont. RvR isnt fair in this game there are too many variables that affect each fight (not excluding playerskill), be it Iwin buttons from lots of RAs, buffbots, better equipment or numerical superiority. If you want fair fights you have to move to a fps game that is designed to be fair and square.

There isnt really anything bad with buffbots except that they provide benfits to another of your chars without letting the enemies have a chance to kill the buffbot (unless you are an archer). Chars that provide benefits in rvr should be exposed to the dangers of rvr.

 

[SevenSins]

caster without BG will still be able to nuke the caster with BG... so as long as the BG is mezzed/rooted or whatever then whats the problem?

Determination V

 

[DaggerElivager]

Determination V

well in theory for the person to use his bg bot..hes gotta not use his caster so by time bg bot is near to you...most good casters should be able to kill the caster and run....especially if they bolt spec (rc/fire)

 

[Maleg]

nah buffbots...dont over balance the odds to such a degree as BG imo

I find this statement the most amusing. The use of a buffbot to boost toons for stay stealther RvR is a massive overbalance of the odds (vs unbuffed toons).

Simple fact is if you use a buffbot on a regular basis then this whole thread by you is just hypocritical (spelling sucks) whine. If you're really interested in playing 'fair' I'd suggest playing unbuffed (unless you have an active buff class grouped with you ofc.)

 

[Sulphur]

Using a buffbot is playing fair..

 

[NeonBlue]

I find this statement the most amusing. The use of a buffbot to boost toons for stay stealther RvR is a massive overbalance of the odds (vs unbuffed toons).

Simple fact is if you use a buffbot on a regular basis then this whole thread by you is just hypocritical (spelling sucks) whine. If you're really interested in playing 'fair' I'd suggest playing unbuffed (unless you have an active buff class grouped with you ofc.)

and the use of a BG bot grants immunity from melee classes for the caster.....unless the BG bot is killed....making it near impossible to kill the caster unless u can somehow kill the BG before getting nuked down

My BB doesnt offer me any immunity from any class what so ever

now come back and tell me why u think BG bots are fair?....coz so far all ive heard is views on me using a BB...which is NOT what the post is about

 

[Sulphur]

This is the wrong way to go about the problem and will only get you flamed by Dook and his 2" crew unfortunately.

 

[Gahn]

Tbh

and the use of a BG bot grants immunity from melee classes for the caster.....unless the BG bot is killed....making it near impossible to kill the caster unless u can somehow kill the BG before getting nuked down

My BB doesnt offer me any immunity from any class what so ever

now come back and tell me why u think BG bots are fair?....coz so far all ive heard is views on me using a BB...which is NOT what the post is about

If u can't see that even u (using a BB for buffs in 1st instance) started the mechanism that ended up leveling a BG bot u are blind m8, soz.

 

[Eroa]

and the use of a BG bot grants immunity from melee classes for the caster.....unless the BG bot is killed....making it near impossible to kill the caster unless u can somehow kill the BG before getting nuked down

My BB doesnt offer me any immunity from any class what so ever

now come back and tell me why u think BG bots are fair?....coz so far all ive heard is views on me using a BB...which is NOT what the post is about

ok.. he should run without a bg bot then so he is free rps for you. Thats what this is all about i guess. Using a bg bot is no different from using a buffbot.

 

[NeonBlue]

If u can't see that even u (using a BB for buffs in 1st instance) started the mechanism that ended up leveling a BG bot u are blind m8, soz.

then sorry i must be blind....because i consider BB and BG Bot...seperate issuses....while a BB will help my survival chances to a degree....it doesnt grant me immunity

and yes i agree that to an unbuffed player, i have an advantage over him...and he probably considers it unfair....but at least he has a slight chance

what chance has an unbuffed/buffed player got against a caster with a BG Bot ?

 

[NeonBlue]

ok.. he should run without a bg bot then so he is free rps for you. Thats what this is all about i guess. Using a bg bot is no different from using a buffbot.

its nothing to do with Rps...but coming from u i didnt expect an intelligent reply

 

[Eroa]

its nothing to do with Rps...but coming from u i didnt expect an intelligent reply

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QQ

 

[NeonBlue]

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QQ

point proven....case closed

 

[Eroa]

then sorry i must be blind....because i consider BB and BG Bot...seperate issuses....while a BB will help my survival chances to a degree....it doesnt grant me immunity

and yes i agree that to an unbuffed player, i have an advantage over him...and he probably considers it unfair....but at least he has a slight chance

what chance has an unbuffed/buffed player got against a caster with a BG Bot ?

A unbuffed person does not have a chanse vs a buffed person. Unless you are afk or play like crap. And casters and archers do have a chanse to kill him if he got a bg bot. Imo you should stop this crying. Just dont attack him. Its quite obvius he got a bg bot. With him you atleast see he do have it not like with people that run buffed to there teeth.

 

[Eroa]

point proven....case closed

yes a point had been proven.

You have no idea what you talk about. Your posts in this thread is so ignorant i dont know where to start. So much crying over that he got a better bot then you.

 

[NeonBlue]

A unbuffed person does not have a chanse vs a buffed person. Unless you are afk or play like crap. And casters and archers do have a chanse to kill him if he got a bg bot. Imo you should stop this crying. Just dont attack him. Its quite obvius he got a bg bot. With him you atleast see he do have it not like with people that run buffed to there teeth.

wooooa ! nearly a decent reply there....except for the "you should stop this crying" part...i aint crying about it...am asking for views on it

and the fact u didnt quite read my post properly....am talking about MELEE classes and their chances....am full aware archers/casters can still kill him

speaking of which...can stealthers PA a BG'ed target?...or does the BG stop that too?

and u say an unbuffed person has no chance against a buffed person? (though i think they have a chance if they have a TOA template)...

so what chance they got against someone with a BG Bot?

but otherwise 7/10 for effort

 

[Sulphur]

Neonblue, you're turning into Dwera

 

[Eroa]

and u say an unbuffed person has no chance against a buffed person? (though i think they have a chance if they have a TOA template)...

And i think people got a chanse against a person with a BG bot. About as much of a chanse as unbuffed people got vs buffed people.

 

[Derric]

Neonblue, you're turning into Dwera

That one's below the belt

 

[NeonBlue]

Neonblue, you're turning into Dwera

hehe...i was trying to get ppls views on it...and i probably worded the orginal thread starter post wrong...but am full of flu and cranky...and getting silly remarks like "QQ" and not any decent constructive replies...doesnt help


but i think i got the general idea that everyone seems to accept this kind of thing...and puts it on a par of using a BB....even though i think they are 2 seperate things....causing 2 different issues

 

[Maleg]

and the use of a BG bot grants immunity from melee classes for the caster.....unless the BG bot is killed....making it near impossible to kill the caster unless u can somehow kill the BG before getting nuked down

My BB doesnt offer me any immunity from any class what so ever

now come back and tell me why u think BG bots are fair?....coz so far all ive heard is views on me using a BB...which is NOT what the post is about

But you're the one missing the point totally. A year to 18 months ago (maybe longer) when buffbots were not common in the game there was the same type of whine. For those classes without access / or not using a buffbot a buff-botted toon was virtually unkillable. Time move on, the game evolved and now most solo and organised team RvR players use a bot - is this ideal / fair or what Mythic intended no.

Simple fact is with this play you're now at an extreme disadvantage (much like any solo RvR'er without a buff bot) and you don't like it. There is no 'skill' to using a buffbot, equally there is no 'skill' to using a BG bot. But neither is 'illegal'.

but i think i got the general idea that everyone seems to accept this kind of thing...and puts it on a par of using a BB....even though i think they are 2 seperate things....causing 2 different issues

This is the thing, they're not different, they're exactly the same. Both are using a passive character on a second account to enhance the primary account characters abilitys.

Bot buffs (buffs in general) provide a massive enhancement to a characters capabilitys far over and above what they would be unbuffed. BG bot provides virtual melee immunity while the BG bot is alive. So Bot buffs screw over any solo class without a buffbot, BG bot screws over any solo melee class. Turn the clock back 18 months to 2 years and tell me which is the more overpowered when buffbots were as common as say BG bots now (i.e. not very).

 

[NeonBlue]

But you're the one missing the point totally. A year to 18 months ago (maybe longer) when buffbots were not common in the game there was the same type of whine. For those classes without access / or not using a buffbot a buff-botted toon was virtually unkillable. Time move on, the game evolved and now most solo and organised team RvR players use a bot - is this ideal / fair or what Mythic intended no.

Simple fact is with this play you're now at an extreme disadvantage (much like any solo RvR'er without a buff bot) and you don't like it. There is no 'skill' to using a buffbot, equally there is no 'skill' to using a BG bot. But neither is 'illegal'.

i agree with what ur saying...and understand it....suppose what am trying to say is...are BG Bots gonna have a bigger impact on RvR...than BBs did?

but then again ive just read the 1.70 RvR patch notes...and well...ermm yeah

lol

 

[Maleg]

i agree with what ur saying...and understand it....suppose what am trying to say is...are BG Bots gonna have a bigger impact on RvR...than BBs did?

but then again ive just read the 1.70 RvR patch notes...and well...ermm yeah

lol

Edited my post above, it's all a case of reference / acceptability and what is considered the 'norm'. Buffbots are now considered the norm so nobody batters an eyelid.

 

[NeonBlue]

Edited my post above, it's all a case of reference / acceptability and what is considered the 'norm'. Buffbots are now considered the norm so nobody batters an eyelid.

so in another few months time...we are just gonna have a game full of bots...whether they be BB...BG...Speed or whatever it seems

suppose like u said...when the game evolves..so do the bots

 

[Maleg]

so in another few months time...we are just gonna have a game full of bots...whether they be BB...BG...Speed or whatever it seems

suppose like u said...when the game evolves..so do the bots

Don't we have already? But generally it's only effective in low population RvR areas or off peak as active BG tank > bot. As for speed bots - CTR ring enables them to be outside a group. Could see more of these as time goes on for sure.

 

[Dorin]

so in another few months time...we are just gonna have a game full of bots...whether they be BB...BG...Speed or whatever it seems

suppose like u said...when the game evolves..so do the bots

one thing, could you please use one "." instead of 2-3 "."

 

[DaggerElivager]

i saw months ago people with speed bots....think it was chxz (sp?) the cabalist (think he was) had a mincer bot with SOS stuck to him he used to roam HW with it and he killed things but also died

 

[nuky]

i saw months ago people with speed bots....think it was chxz (sp?) the cabalist (think he was) had a mincer bot with SOS stuck to him he used to roam HW with it and he killed things but also died

aye he/she had a nice cfh macro for his fg guildies running about too

 

[Corran]

aye he/she had a nice cfh macro for his fg guildies running about too

yet he still managed to kill 3+ stealthers that insisted on always jumping him together before dying

and not much a cabby can do when a fg come through mg but call for help. they aint a bd that can solo them