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Personally, I hope lots of tech bros get made homeless from the fallout of the AI bubble bursting.
 

Gwadien

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Not then. Only from 2001. Were people back then arguing that girls of that age should be able to have a relationship with their teacher before they were 18? I bet there were. It's illegal now, and damn right. And seriously, read this and tell me it isn't dodgy as fuck:


It's illegal to ever have a relationship with an ex-student now, it's still considered grooming...

I don't think that's wrong.

I just think all people in positions of responsibility & power should have the same.

I think it's easy to say the girls are all sluts who went out of their way to fuck celebrities. It's obviously a bit more nuanced than that - even 18 year old girls 'fan girl' over celebrities and when they're awe-struck they're easier to be taken advantage of, celebrities should probably get to know the girls a bit more rather than getting them on their dick in the first meeting, that's, I don't know.. responsible?

But I've said it before, I'll say it again - we've had thousands of years of patriarchy across the planet where women were treated like shit.

If you think it's gone too far the other way, I'd shrug and say yeah sure, probably needs a bit of fixing somehow, but I think it's certainly in the correct direction.

Besides, what's the solution? Get people to sign consent forms?
 

DaGaffer

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It's illegal to ever have a relationship with an ex-student now, it's still considered grooming...

Really? I'm not sure that isn't a breach of human rights. Ever?
I don't think that's wrong.

I just think all people in positions of responsibility & power should have the same.

Define "position of responsibility & power"? Almost all human interactions are unequal from a power perspective. You're basically arguing for a caste system.

I think it's easy to say the girls are all sluts who went out of their way to fuck celebrities. It's obviously a bit more nuanced than that - even 18 year old girls 'fan girl' over celebrities and when they're awe-struck they're easier to be taken advantage of, celebrities should probably get to know the girls a bit more rather than getting them on their dick in the first meeting, that's, I don't know.. responsible?

When you're 18 there has to be an acknowledgement that you're an adult and you take responsibility for your actions. Like it or not you can never get to a situation where women take no responsibility for sexual encounters and men take all of it. How can that be remotely healthy for a society? Like it or not, accusations of rape can't ever be a slam dunk "always believe the woman". The stakes are too high which means so is the evidence bar.

But I've said it before, I'll say it again - we've had thousands of years of patriarchy across the planet where women were treated like shit.

If you think it's gone too far the other way, I'd shrug and say yeah sure, probably needs a bit of fixing somehow, but I think it's certainly in the correct direction.

Besides, what's the solution? Get people to sign consent forms?
Yeah you just said patriarchy in a sentence so you lose 4 billion credibility points.

As for what's to be done; it's mostly common sense about age differences (and the blurry years between 16-18 in particular) and in the case of the abuse of power problem, a lot could be solved by going after enablers; if a book publisher is telling it's staff to visit an author's house in pairs, or a film producer's staff are actually procuring young girls, maybe go after them as well as the perpetrator? Abuses of power don't happen in a vacuum.
 

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