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[Overdriven]

I got the blessing to go after Jensen's soon to be ex..

"Why would she pick you?" :'(

#EmotionalDamage

 

[Embattle]

Seems the celeb trying to block some news organisations from revealing some stories about him has finally been named:

‘It wasn’t long until he asked me if I’d ever had sex before’: David Walliams accused of preying on young women for sex

Comedian and former Britain’s Got Talent judge alleged to have groomed fans he met when they were as young as 15 and harassed women in the workplace over a number of years. He denies the allegations

www.theguardian.com

 

[caLLous]

Walliams sexually assaulted people live on stage, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to assume his name would come back up.

 

[georgie]

Seems the celeb trying to block some news organisations from revealing some stories about him has finally been named:

‘It wasn’t long until he asked me if I’d ever had sex before’: David Walliams accused of preying on young women for sex

Comedian and former Britain’s Got Talent judge alleged to have groomed fans he met when they were as young as 15 and harassed women in the workplace over a number of years. He denies the allegations

www.theguardian.com

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Do I need a /s there?

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vIBijzg4w

 

[caLLous]

Jonathan Ross 'horrified' by Walliams allegations and Brand conviction

The TV presenter says he was once "friendly" with both David Walliams and Russell Brand, but was "genuinely unaware of their conduct".

www.bbc.com

Also Jonathan Ross, in 2004:

James Spiro (@JamesSpiro) on X

Jonathan Ross: “The comedy awards is 15 years old… and like most 15-year-olds, it's drunk, it's unpredictable, and it's probably going home with David Walliams.” Everyone knew. Just like they did with Russell Brand.

x.com

 

[DaGaffer]

Jonathan Ross 'horrified' by Walliams allegations and Brand conviction

The TV presenter says he was once "friendly" with both David Walliams and Russell Brand, but was "genuinely unaware of their conduct".

www.bbc.com

Also Jonathan Ross, in 2004:

James Spiro (@JamesSpiro) on X

Jonathan Ross: “The comedy awards is 15 years old… and like most 15-year-olds, it's drunk, it's unpredictable, and it's probably going home with David Walliams.” Everyone knew. Just like they did with Russell Brand.

x.com

The Rest is Entertainment tying themselves in knots trying to claim just how much nobody knew until 2018 was quite an eye-opening episode. I knew, and I hadn't worked in the media for years by the time Brand became a thing. And when the rumours of someone trying to get a lifetime gagging order broke a few weeks ago, even my wife, who's never worked in media in her life and isn't even British said "I assume that's David Walliams?"

 

[Scouse]

Also Jonathan Ross, in 2004:

He said the joke was written by the comedy awards writers?


Of course, the allegations of the then 15 year old should go straight to the police. 100%.

However, my o/h brought up some of the other allegations this morning (a bit much to literally wake up to whilst she's sat reading the phone, stroking the cat (but whatever)):

One of the allegations is that a couple of 18 year old girls, went to an expensive spa day with him, went back to his, started drinking, he tried it on, was rebuffed, then they slept at his (separate rooms) and were friendly the next day. Then, eleven years later they're complaining about how he's creepy and should be looking for women in his own age range.

This is women punching at women using men as a scapegoat isn't it? Or maybe to put it another way - the argument removes young women's agency whilst at the same time insisting they're an adult. If you're an adult, then maybe don't accept the rich bloke's offer of a spa and then "back to his"? And if the obvious happens, you rebuff him, and it ends there, you stay at his house, and are OK then next day then basically this is how adult interaction can happen.

Finding it distasteful years later and actually moaning about that to a paper means you're a bit of a cunt IMO.

Older men are attracted to younger women. If they're of age then the only issue is our moral 'distaste' for older men acting like that. But what is absent is a narrative that if you're a woman, you have agency, and maybe don't launch yourself at the rich?

Feeling shame about how you acted when you were 18 doesn't mean it was his "fault" - if there's a problem in the future, and fault to assign - then the fault was yours. Your reassessment of your past and a realisation of how dumb you acted is on you, not him. Nothing criminal happened - and when you were rebuffed, at that point he acted how men should - allowed you to stay safe in his home until you'd sobered up, woken up, left the house.

Women are absolutely allowed to reinterpret their past experiences - but that doesn't mean there's a moral obligation on everyone else to condemn the man.

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NTDEN4VZik

 

[caLLous]

So, that's about the idea (more a running joke on the internet) that DiCaprio has or had a cut-off age for his partners (25), not about him getting 15-year-olds drunk and taking them home.

The whole point is that everybody knew that about DiCaprio. Can you imagine Gervais turning around now and pretending it was just some joke that someone handed him and he had no idea it was real? That's what Ross is doing above with a much more pointed "joke" about much more serious allegations than "he has a thing for women in their early-mid 20s".

 

[Deebs]

a bit much to literally wake up to whilst she's sat reading the phone, stroking the cat (but whatever)

Fucking hell, imagine the smile on your face if you replaced cat with pussy

 

[Scouse]

That's what Ross is doing above with a much more pointed "joke" about much more serious allegations than "he has a thing for women in their early-mid 20s".

Like I said - Ross didn't write the joke.

And, according to all reports - Walliams hasn't had sex with anyone under age.

Now, did he act in a creepy manner? Certainly by my standards. But do we move to a position where we lock up creepy old men? We'd have to lock up all the rock stars. And the other questions - considering there's a single (not established of criminal) allegation against him of impropriety - the rest appear to be about women of legal age or adults (and firmly adults in the example from the Guardian I gave).

Do women have no agency? Shall we continue to infantilise them?

When women reassess the stupid things they did when they were young, should we vilify the men involved, or should we all collectively shrug and put that down to life?

Should we make being a groupie illegal? Or are we just wanting to criminalise men who accept offers of sex from girls who idolise them?

Fucking hell, imagine the smile on your face if you replaced cat with pussy

I actually wrote the joke, but deleted it before posting as it's a relatively serious subject

 

[gunner440]

Feeling shame about how you acted when you were 18 doesn't mean it was his "fault" - if there's a problem in the future, and fault to assign - then the fault was yours. Your reassessment of your past and a realisation of how dumb you acted is on you, not him. Nothing criminal happened - and when you were rebuffed, at that point he acted how men should - allowed you to stay safe in his home until you'd sobered up, woken up, left the house.

Women are absolutely allowed to reinterpret their past experiences - but that doesn't mean there's a moral obligation on everyone else to condemn the man.

Where I live (Marbella) it's as common as anything. You see the young ones fling themselves at people with a rented lamborghini. The 15 year olds look 20 and the 25 year olds dress like they're 20.

Whores the lot of them. The main difference is that some of them are up front with their intentions and price tag.

Had a friend get arrested because he found out his now ex-wife was cheating on him and she knew she was going to get nothing so apparently she turned up at the police station all bruised.

We're just guilty for being men.

 

[DaGaffer]

He said the joke was written by the comedy awards writers?


Of course, the allegations of the then 15 year old should go straight to the police. 100%.

However, my o/h brought up some of the other allegations this morning (a bit much to literally wake up to whilst she's sat reading the phone, stroking the cat (but whatever)):

One of the allegations is that a couple of 18 year old girls, went to an expensive spa day with him, went back to his, started drinking, he tried it on, was rebuffed, then they slept at his (separate rooms) and were friendly the next day. Then, eleven years later they're complaining about how he's creepy and should be looking for women in his own age range.

This is women punching at women using men as a scapegoat isn't it? Or maybe to put it another way - the argument removes young women's agency whilst at the same time insisting they're an adult. If you're an adult, then maybe don't accept the rich bloke's offer of a spa and then "back to his"? And if the obvious happens, you rebuff him, and it ends there, you stay at his house, and are OK then next day then basically this is how adult interaction can happen.

Finding it distasteful years later and actually moaning about that to a paper means you're a bit of a cunt IMO.

Older men are attracted to younger women. If they're of age then the only issue is our moral 'distaste' for older men acting like that. But what is absent is a narrative that if you're a woman, you have agency, and maybe don't launch yourself at the rich?

Feeling shame about how you acted when you were 18 doesn't mean it was his "fault" - if there's a problem in the future, and fault to assign - then the fault was yours. Your reassessment of your past and a realisation of how dumb you acted is on you, not him. Nothing criminal happened - and when you were rebuffed, at that point he acted how men should - allowed you to stay safe in his home until you'd sobered up, woken up, left the house.

Women are absolutely allowed to reinterpret their past experiences - but that doesn't mean there's a moral obligation on everyone else to condemn the man.

This is door-opening. The way it works with these investigations is that the journos involved have a ton of stuff but they can't get the real victims to come forward, so these stories are the warm up act. Same thing happened with Brand, including one woman who still has a lifetime injunction against her brought by Brand and his then girlfriend Jemima Goldsmith, who's now come out and said Brand assaulted her.

The bar for women to get justice from the wealthy men with lots of lawyers is massively high, so the approach is to send in the brave ones first, but there will be more they know are coming, they just needed someone else to make the first move.