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[Fweddy]

This link just popped up on my facebook feed. It should be required reading before arguing on the internet: https://bookofbadarguments.com/

 

[Job]

UK cops are the best in the world...firstly very few are armed and whatever shinanigans they get up to is nothing compared to other countries..US police are lunatics...the closest to UK coppers are canadian mounties.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tried lays chips for the first time. Yeah. Not on my top shopping list from now on.

 

[fettoken]

Tried lays chips for the first time. Yeah. Not on my top shopping list from now on.

Agreed, tried them in Turkey on a past visit, meaningless and tasteless. Sort of like the McDonald of fries.

 

[Scouse]

No excuse. There is no excuse for speeding in law

You're wilfully ignoring what I'm writing Moriath. I'll ignore the rest of your shit - but this one is too obvious to let go: I wasn't speeding...

Wow you're a fucking idiot. Profiling is illegal. End of story.

You're right. It is, and he is.

 

[Job]

The last time I got stopped by the coppers was 2 years ago...his auto plate camera told him my mot was 4 days out of date...goddam technology..its too techie.

 

[Scouse]

I would love to see how people think we would manage without a police force

Pretty much as we managed before the rather recent introduction of the force I suspect. But that doesn't matter - I'm not calling for that. I'm saying that our current force should obey the law to the letter rather than engaging in routine criminal action (minor or not).

If you start backchatting and being cocky to them then you have to expect them to get narked with you

Agree Ed. But then I'm always polite to coppers. Even when they're pulling me for fuck all, and letting me go without so much as a "sorry for pulling you for nothing".

That is my point though. If I pull you over and you immediately tell me you know your rights and stick a camera in my face while demanding a reason for being stopped things are not going to go well.

If someone does that to the copper then it shouldn't make a blind bit of difference to how "well" something goes. They're there to enforce the law, not get butthurt because years of police abuse has resulted in people feeling they need to video the encounter to stand up for their rights.

The police are reaping what they've been sowing for years.

 

[Moriath]

Gov.uk advise on police stops.

Police can ask you to stop your car for any reason. The reason does not have to seem valid to you. Any reason could be you fit a profile. Ie young lads in supped up car etc.

https://www.gov.uk/stopped-by-police-while-driving-your-rights/overview

And cleared up here

http://www.confused.com/car-insuran...s-do-police-have-to-stop-and-search-motorists

As part of their job. While you are screaming from the roof tops of illegal to stop. As long as the copper involved can come up with a reason, four lads in a car late at night, car doesn't fit, etc. there always a reason they can use. Just because you don't think it's valid doesn't mean it isn't. Unless you complain and get it upheld.

 

[Scouse]

As long as the copper involved can come up with a reason

"Come up" with a reason means manufacture. He needs a reason to stop you. As per your links. And the law.

However, judges have ruled that the police stopping motorists under this Act must be acting "in the execution of their duty".

This means police can’t simply stop drivers for fun, they must have a good reason to do so

...I'd say something nasty here, but you probably wouldn't read it properly - just like your own links.

 

[Moriath]

"Come up" with a reason means manufacture. He needs a reason to stop you. As per your links. And the law.



...I'd say something nasty here, but you probably wouldn't read it properly - just like your own links.

I read it. Do you think any of the 22 times you got stopped were for fun? If so why didn't you complain?

They can stop you for any reason. As long as there is one that they are willing to stand up in court and defend. Just because you don't like the reason doesn't mean it's wrong. Unless you complain and it's proved.

Every reason is manufactured, by them applying your vehicle, driving etc and comparing it to the law and what you could be doing.

You see those police programs following them on the tv. They often say hmm that just doesn't look right let's give them a tug. I'm sure if that was wrong they wouldn't be letting them film it or stop them from saying that sort of thing.

 

[soze]

If someone does that to the copper then it shouldn't make a blind bit of difference to how "well" something goes. They're there to enforce the law, not get butthurt because years of police abuse has resulted in people feeling they need to video the encounter to stand up for their rights.

The police are reaping what they've been sowing for years.

Police are humans not robots they do not need smug cunts talking to them like they are pieces of shit they have stepped in because said smug cunt thinks they are corrupt power tripping bastards. Your years of police abuse shit is so tired why does a new officer need to put up with you being a butt hurt tart because you seem to think the police can get away with the same shit they did in the 60's.

Met Police are trialing all of their officers wearing Go Pro style cameras. And this is not because they are worried about protecting officers far from it, it is to help expedite civilian complaints.

As for making reasons up this is getting silly. A copper can sit behind you and decide your car looks like a shed and pull you over to check it out. If they then find something like flat tyres or bald spots then boom they have you. But they can't pull you over for bald spots until they have seen your car. Yet they might look at your car and have years of experience that tells them there is something not right with the car so over you go.

 

[Job]

My mate worked as a Ranger in the pine forests by us..a load of scallies were causing trouble and beat up a young volunteer Ranger..he was 11 ffs..so the cops arrived and we took them in the Landrovers to search for them..found the scrotes put them in the back and drove back to the their cars..as we came over a sand dune you could see all the police cars parked up and one of the coppers said...'oh boloks the fucking pigs are here' oh we laughed.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

They can stop you for any reason. As long as there is one that they are willing to stand up in court and defend.

You mean as long as they're willing to take a lie into court and perjure themselves that it wasn't manufactured and therefore illegal?


If I got stopped in any of the other cars I owned, or any of the other cars I drive then I wouldn't have a problem. But I didn't and I don't. So it's clearly profiling - which is illegal.

How fucking hard is it to understand that?

Police are humans not robots they do not need smug cunts talking to them like they are pieces of shit they have stepped in because said smug cunt thinks they are corrupt power tripping bastards

And I'll repeat. Again. For the man in the emo seat. I've never been anything but polite to the constabulary. Ever..

you seem to think the police can get away with the same shit they did in the 60's.

They do.

As for making reasons up this is getting silly. A copper can sit behind you and decide your car looks like a shed and pull you over to check it out.

Fine. If you car looks like a danger then that's a legitimate reason.

But we're not talking about that are we Soze. Not even slightly.

We're talking about being pulled over because of the type of car - which is profiling, which is illegal.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah think of all the minority cars being profiled, it's so raceist.

 

[Moriath]

I

You mean as long as they're willing to take a lie into court and perjure themselves that it wasn't manufactured and therefore illegal?


If I got stopped in any of the other cars I owned, or any of the other cars I drive then I wouldn't have a problem. But I didn't and I don't. So it's clearly profiling - which is illegal.

How fucking hard is it to understand that?




And I'll repeat. Again. For the man in the emo seat. I've never been anything but polite to the constabulary. Ever..



They do.



Fine. If you car looks like a danger then that's a legitimate reason.

But we're not talking about that are we Soze. Not even slightly.

We're talking about being pulled over because of the type of car - which is profiling, which is illegal.

If it's so not legal then Complain. Don't sit there bitching to me.

Get your compensation and rub my nose in it.

Or get stopped in poverty areas in Liverpool with a fast car that ( I am assuming where you got stopped cause you didn't say). But Liverpool is known as one of the worst for unemployment and you seem to have a well paying contracts.

Most of the police in the uk, my old man before he died included, are there( to quote robo cop, protect the public trust, serve the innocent etc etc. ). They don't sit on the side of the road saying hmmm look there's scouse let's piss him off.

The are stretched enough by cut backs and targets to go after who they think are breaking the law.

Just cause your a bias cunt and your like that the police are only there to piss you off and not there to catch crims doesn't mean shit.

The police can only exist with majority acceptance.

If not then the populous will rebel and they are vastly out numbered.

So accept that there may be an inconvenience from time to time in the interest of the greater populous. Or waste your life being bitter and resentful. Up to you.

Like getting on a plane. I get searched all the time but have to agree to that to reduce the likelihood of being in a chaotic society.

Fuck all of you calling it illegal without complaining and getting your complaints upheld. If your so convinced then do it r shut the fuck up.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You're talking about different things btw.

 

[Marc]

Rather than bitch about it on here Scouse, why not take it up with the police complaints authority. id love to see how far you get. Im married to a copper and I hear stories every

I agree 100% with you that the overwhelming majority of police don't join to bully people or because they're on a power trip. Totally agree.

However, once in the force that's exactly what the majority end up doing.

Had a friend who joined the force after Uni. Very intelligent, idealistic, kind and caring person. Would never say boo to a goose and would genuinely walk around ants on the pavement and was a pleasure to be around.

After his basic training and a month into the job proper he told me, ashen-faced, that mobs of cops jump into the riot vans on Friday nights around Leeds literally looking for a fight. Anyone who resisted was pulled into the back of the van and given a right good going over.

Twelve months into the job he was having a horrid time. He was being victimised by the other cops because he'd taken it upon himself to try and prevent them from acting in this way - not just on the weekend jollies but in their day-to-day dealings.

Two years later he transferred because the victimisation was overwhelming him. He told me he was just going to keep quiet - and it did the trick.

The cops in the new place (and subsequent transfers and promotions) pull the same shit. However, they've beaten him. He had to leave, or join them. And join them he did, at first reluctantly, and then with enthusiasm and gusto.

He started coming out with statements like "you can spot a criminal by what he wears" - fully against his own (correct) argument that you can't - bankers, fraudsters, perverts and paedo's come from all walks of life. And went rapidly downhill from there.

We're no longer friends. The lad is now an utter (violent) cunt.

And rather than being the exception - my experience and the experience of most of the people I know who have cops in the family (me included) when interacting with the cops is that they're power tripping wankers.

I get pulled over in my car at least twice a year for no reason. None. That's illegal - and as I've had the car for 11 years now that's more than 22 times.

And I'm not even black. Imagine how it is for them?

My brother was hospitalised for 3 weeks for asking for a badge number (a back-of-the-van affair) - after watching a school "friend" get arrested for being a dick. Fair enough - so he asked the cop which nick he was being taken to so he could tell this lad's mum. He got told to fuck off by the cop for asking the question - and upon asking for the badge number he was hospitalised for his trouble.

No court, no complaints procedure, no investigation - and he wasn't arrested. Just hospitalised.

I watched five cops in a next door neighbour's garden laugh whilst their dog mauled a screaming teenager that they'd dragged out of the neighbour's shed. After a good minute of this (and a minute is a long time) they pulled the dog off him and then, one by one, took a go at putting the boot in.

My uncle laughingly and openly admits that this sort of activity is the norm in front of his family - and his own kids hate him.

The police are prejudiced power-crazed arseholes who take the easy route in their day-job rather than being the example that they should, in theory, be.

In short, when you see one, think cunt. 9 times out of 10 you're going to be right. I fucking hate them for this and the shit you never see, but know goes on.

My wife is a "pig". I would love you to do even half a day in her shoes and see what kind of shit she has to deal with, every second of every day

You wouldnt last 5 minutes mr Keyboard warrior

 

[Deebs]

The UK is actually very much in the minority when it comes to random police checks (its basically us and the US that don't allow it). I've been subject to random stops here in Ireland and in Australia; in both places the cops just threw up a road block and stopped everybody. Interestingly the one way that can happen in the UK isn't via the police, its via Customs & Excise.

As can The Military Police when on Army land. Remember lots of times when entering the Army land here and being herded to a car/ID check.

 

[Urgat]

Irrelevant rant, that does not address the factual points already put forward by those with opposing positions.

Rather than bitch about it on here Scouse, why not take it up with the police complaints authority. id love to see how far you get. Im married to a copper and I hear stories every


My wife is a "pig". I would love you to do even half a day in her shoes and see what kind of shit she has to deal with, every second of every day

You wouldnt last 5 minutes mr Keyboard warrior

Irrelevant rant that does not address the issue being discussed at all (same as Moriath's)

I am sure your wife is a model police officer, and she deserves respect for the difficult job she no doubt does.

That doesn't change the fact that stopping people because of the car they drive is ILLEGAL.

It happens, and it shouldn't!

Jesus... its THAT simple! If you're arguing against that basic premise, you need to seriously consider your world view.

 

[Deebs]

As far as I can tell, its crossing the road where there isn't a zebra, pelican or chicken crossing

Correct, I did it on the strip in Vegas, fuck me, thought I was in the middle of a shock & awe event, every fucker was on the horn before I made it halfway across the road.

 

[Marc]

Irrelevant rant that does not address the issue being discussed at all (same as Moriath's)

I am sure your wife is a model police officer, and she deserves respect for the difficult job she no doubt does.

That doesn't change the fact that stopping people because of the car they drive is ILLEGAL.

It happens, and it shouldn't!

Jesus... its THAT simple! If you're arguing against that basic premise, you need to seriously consider your world view.

Have you even read what scouse posted that I quoted? It had nothing to do with being pulled over, but a rant against the police

 

[Raven]

Can we get back to spam and forget about the fisting?

 

[caLLous]

WD announces 5 and 6TB Red drives and a new Red Pro line. There's also a new firmware release for Red drives but unfortunately you can't upgrade if you already have the drives because it requires some recalibration of the internal gubbins.

 

[Raven]

*twitch*

 

[DaGaffer]

As can The Military Police when on Army land. Remember lots of times when entering the Army land here and being herded to a car/ID check.

Sure, but I was referring to public roads. I've just remembered I have been stopped for no reason in the UK before; during the miner's strike (yes, I'm that old), when the police were given special powers to stop secondary pickets (my route home went near a big coal import dock). Maybe that's where my dislike for police abuses comes from...

 

[Ctuchik]

Yep, that's pretty much me every night....

 

[Tom]

https://twitter.com/hackneymarshman/status/491567789808033794

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Madmaxx]