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[Bodhi]

So LHC scientists have just shot a huge hole through climate modellers core data by proving aerosols were produced naturally by trees for millions of years, a major presumption was that this only happened in post industrial times.
Lead scientist has said...'obviously warming predictions will be scaled back'.

Hang on hang on, are you telling me the models used to predict certain doom have some fairly fundamental flaws in them?

Say it isn't so!

 

[CorNokZ]

Fuck Yeah let's burn some coal and spill some oil!

 

[Job]

It's hardly major....or might be, they really don"t know, there is also still a large amount of untested presumptions in climate models, probably most are near enough...or maybe not.

 

[Cadelin]

Don't we have someone here who works at Cern?

Yes.

The internal communication was:

CERN experiment points to a cloudier pre-industrial climate
Geneva, 26 May 2016. In two papers 1) 2) published today in the journal Nature, new results from the CLOUD 3) experiment at CERN 4) imply the baseline pristine pre-industrial climate may have been cloudier than presently thought. CLOUD shows that organic vapours emitted by trees produce abundant aerosol particles in the atmosphere in the absence of sulphuric acid. Previously it was thought that sulphuric acid – which largely arises from fossil fuels – was essential to initiate aerosol particle formation. CLOUD finds that these so-called biogenic vapours are also key to the growth of the newly-formed particles up to sizes where they can seed clouds.
“These results are the most important so far by the CLOUD experiment at CERN,” said CLOUD spokesperson, Jasper Kirkby. “When the nucleation and growth of pure biogenic aerosol particles is included in climate models, it should sharpen our understanding of the impact of human activities on clouds and climate.”
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) considers that the increase in aerosols and clouds since pre-industrial times represents one of the largest sources of uncertainty in climate change 5). CLOUD is designed to understand how new aerosol particles form and grow in the atmosphere, and their effect on clouds and climate.
CLOUD also finds that ions from galactic cosmic rays strongly enhance the production rate of pure biogenic particles – by a factor 10-100 compared with particles without ions. This suggests that cosmic rays may have played a more important role in aerosol and cloud formation in pre-industrial times than in today’s polluted atmosphere.
A paper published simultaneously in Science (Bianchi, F., et al. Science, doi 10.1126/ science.aad5456, 2016) describes an observation of pure organic nucleation at the Jungfraujoch observatory by the same mechanism reported by CLOUD. The measurements did not involve CLOUD directly but most of the authors are also members of the CLOUD collaboration.
“The observation of pure organic nucleation at the Jungfraujoch is very satisfying,” said Kirkby. “It confirms that the same process discovered by CLOUD in the laboratory also takes place in the atmosphere.”
Videos:
- CLOUD experiment – How it works
- CERN experiment points to a cloudier pre-industrial climate
- Footage and animations about CLOUD experiment
Photos: available here
1) Kirkby, J., et al. Ion-induced nucleation of pure biogenic particles. Nature, doi 10.1038/nature 17953 (2016).
2) Tröstl, J., et al. The role of low-volatility organic compounds in initial particle growth in the atmosphere. Nature, doi 10.1038/nature18271 (2016).
3) The CLOUD experiment consists of a large instrumented chamber in which the atmosphere can be precisely simulated, and the formation and growth of aerosol particles and the clouds they seed can be studied under precisely controled atmospheric conditions. Unwanted contaminants can be suppressed well below the part-per-trillion level. The CLOUD experiment uses a beam from CERN’s Proton Synchrotron to simulate cosmic rays – particles bombarding the atmosphere from space. The experimental collaboration comprises 21 institutes: Aerodyne Research, California Institute of Technology, Carnegie Mellon University, CERN, Finnish Meteorological Institute, Goethe University Frankfurt, Helsinki Institute of Physics, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology, Lebedev Physical Institute, Leibniz Institute for Tropospheric Research, Paul Scherrer Institute, Stockholm University, Tofwerk, University of Beira Interior, University of Eastern Finland, University of Helsinki, University of Innsbruck, University of Leeds, University of Lisbon, University of Manchester, and University of Vienna.
4) CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is the world's leading laboratory for particle physics. Its headquarters are in Geneva. Its Member States are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and United Kingdom. Romania is a Candidate for Accession. Cyprus and Serbia are Associate Member States in the pre-stage to Membership. Pakistan and Turkey are Associate Member States. European Union, India, Japan, JINR, Russian Federation, UNESCO and United States of America have Observer status.
5) Boucher, O. et al. in Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis. Working Group I Contribution to the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (eds. Stocker, T.F. et al.) 571–658 (Cambridge Univ. Press, 2013).

 

[dysfunction]

Is there a condensed version?

 

[Moriath]

Is there a condensed version?

Yeah its in a cloud.

 

[Lakih]

Yeah its in a cloud.

Not sure if i should rate that funny or facepalm, i want to do both...

 

[georgie]

Yes.

Spoiler

The internal communication was:

CERN experiment points to a cloudier pre-industrial climate
Geneva, 26 May 2016. In two papers 1) 2) published today in the journal Nature, new results from the CLOUD 3) experiment at CERN 4) imply the baseline pristine pre-industrial climate may have been cloudier than presently thought. CLOUD shows that organic vapours emitted by trees produce abundant aerosol particles in the atmosphere in the absence of sulphuric acid. Previously it was thought that sulphuric acid – which largely arises from fossil fuels – was essential to initiate aerosol particle formation. CLOUD finds that these so-called biogenic vapours are also key to the growth of the newly-formed particles up to sizes where they can seed clouds.
“These results are the most important so far by the CLOUD experiment at CERN,” said CLOUD spokesperson, Jasper Kirkby. “When the nucleation and growth of pure biogenic aerosol particles is included in climate models, it should sharpen our understanding of the impact of human activities on clouds and climate.”
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) considers that the increase in aerosols and clouds since pre-industrial times represents one of the largest sources of uncertainty in climate change 5). CLOUD is designed to understand how new aerosol particles form and grow in the atmosphere, and their effect on clouds and climate.
CLOUD also finds that ions from galactic cosmic rays strongly enhance the production rate of pure biogenic particles – by a factor 10-100 compared with particles without ions. This suggests that cosmic rays may have played a more important role in aerosol and cloud formation in pre-industrial times than in today’s polluted atmosphere.
A paper published simultaneously in Science (Bianchi, F., et al. Science, doi 10.1126/ science.aad5456, 2016) describes an observation of pure organic nucleation at the Jungfraujoch observatory by the same mechanism reported by CLOUD. The measurements did not involve CLOUD directly but most of the authors are also members of the CLOUD collaboration.
“The observation of pure organic nucleation at the Jungfraujoch is very satisfying,” said Kirkby. “It confirms that the same process discovered by CLOUD in the laboratory also takes place in the atmosphere.”
Videos:
- CLOUD experiment – How it works
- CERN experiment points to a cloudier pre-industrial climate
- Footage and animations about CLOUD experiment
Photos: available here
1) Kirkby, J., et al. Ion-induced nucleation of pure biogenic particles. Nature, doi 10.1038/nature 17953 (2016).
2) Tröstl, J., et al. The role of low-volatility organic compounds in initial particle growth in the atmosphere. Nature, doi 10.1038/nature18271 (2016).
3) The CLOUD experiment consists of a large instrumented chamber in which the atmosphere can be precisely simulated, and the formation and growth of aerosol particles and the clouds they seed can be studied under precisely controled atmospheric conditions. Unwanted contaminants can be suppressed well below the part-per-trillion level. The CLOUD experiment uses a beam from CERN’s Proton Synchrotron to simulate cosmic rays – particles bombarding the atmosphere from space. The experimental collaboration comprises 21 institutes: Aerodyne Research, California Institute of Technology, Carnegie Mellon University, CERN, Finnish Meteorological Institute, Goethe University Frankfurt, Helsinki Institute of Physics, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology, Lebedev Physical Institute, Leibniz Institute for Tropospheric Research, Paul Scherrer Institute, Stockholm University, Tofwerk, University of Beira Interior, University of Eastern Finland, University of Helsinki, University of Innsbruck, University of Leeds, University of Lisbon, University of Manchester, and University of Vienna.
4) CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is the world's leading laboratory for particle physics. Its headquarters are in Geneva. Its Member States are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and United Kingdom. Romania is a Candidate for Accession. Cyprus and Serbia are Associate Member States in the pre-stage to Membership. Pakistan and Turkey are Associate Member States. European Union, India, Japan, JINR, Russian Federation, UNESCO and United States of America have Observer status.
5) Boucher, O. et al. in Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis. Working Group I Contribution to the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (eds. Stocker, T.F. et al.) 571–658 (Cambridge Univ. Press, 2013).

I'm assuming Cadelin is our resident Cern guy and that wasn't just a reeeaally good guess.

 

[Job]

Win 10 is such a pile of cack, on my dual boot tab I ran Daoc, pretty well actually for a 100 quid device.
The battery ran out, windows just went mental, reboot after reboot, windows didnt start..do you want to reboot?
Except the touchscreen isnt active, then it decided the battery was refusing charge, 45 minutes and I rebooted android...straight back to perfection...windows need to forget the tablet market...they have no idea what they are doing.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

Source?

@Job doesn't needs to post a source when posting game-changing science news.

The fact that a particle accellerator designed to examine fundamentals of atomic properties has uncovered millenia old aerosol production by trees is not open to debate. It's clearly sound and logical science.

Fact.

Edit: Ah. Hadn't heard of that experiment. That modelling is cool as fuck.

Still, modelling tho. But nice to see the deniers are happy to rely on modelling that confirms their beliefs when modelling that refutes their beliefs is condemned as 'just modelling'

 

[BloodOmen]

Life finds a way....

 

[Job]

@Job doesn't needs to post a source when posting game-changing science news.

The fact that a particle accellerator designed to examine fundamentals of atomic properties has uncovered millenia old aerosol production by trees is not open to debate. It's clearly sound and logical science.

Fact.

Edit: Ah. Hadn't heard of that experiment. That modelling is cool as fuck.

Still, modelling tho. But nice to see the deniers are happy to rely on modelling that confirms their beliefs when modelling that refutes their beliefs is condemned as 'just modelling'

Ooohhh...thats s repeatable scientific experiment with clear results..modelling is the same as setting up the experiment and having everyone guess whats going to happen

 

[Job]

New high resolution images from Pluto in the express...heres the first 3 comments.

 

[Edmond]

So which one was you @Job? I suppose it could any 3 of them.....

 

[Job]

Or all three.

 

[Bigmac]

Fucking fantastic day. Went to wembley to watch my football team. From near bottom of league 1 to promotion to the championship. Absolutely fantastic. Plus my bet came in. Great day!

 

[TdC]

the awesome. it is too much.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uztxi4fE94

 

[caLLous]

the awesome. it is too much.

Err, this is awkward. You know that's all completely fake, right?

Allow this flat-earther to explain it to you.

 

[Job]

it does confuse me how the rocket survives re entering the atmosphere with out burning up, it seems so unaerodynamic, how high did it go on that flight.

 

[Moriath]

it does confuse me how the rocket survives re entering the atmosphere with out burning up, it seems so unaerodynamic, how high did it go on that flight.

Its not going as fast as an orbiting entity so the friction isnt as great

 

[Job]

I guess its just a first stage and the 2nd/3rd goes to orbit...why cant they just launch off the back of a 747?

 

[Moriath]

I guess its just a first stage and the 2nd/3rd goes to orbit...why cant they just launch off the back of a 747?

The virgin machine does. At least in testing

 

[fettoken]

Took a snus and now i need to poop real bad. It will be great.

 

[Shagrat]

Err, this is awkward. You know that's all completely fake, right?

Allow this flat-earther to explain it to you.

wow, his videos are insane!

 

[old.user4556]

Scumbag ignorant poorly educated internet wanker: believes in God without a shred of evidence, doesn't believe a rocket landed on a platform despite a shit-tonne of evidence.

 

[old.user4556]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdVdegHMvU
- worth viewing on Youtube in 4k.

 

[Job]

Scumbag ignorant poorly educated internet wanker: believes in God without a shred of evidence, doesn't believe a rocket landed on a platform despite a shit-tonne of evidence.

True..but how do you personally know it happened, you just have to believe other people.

 

[caLLous]

 

[Edmond]

Where are his legs???.....spooky