This server needs more Infils

[Wuren]

Cuz I was only PA'd by 6 of them when going up the wall on Bolg.

Jeez, cant you guys reroll pallys or something instead?

And how could you guys be back so fast when we killed you? Im pretty sure you couldnt be ressed from that angle.

 

[Pin]

Nah, this server needs more infils who can play the class well. It should only take 1 or 2 to drop you and keep you down.

(Dumn tanks standing on the wall... what do you think you are going to do up there? Scare us away by waving your stick? Or by glimpsing your face?)

 

[Vasconcelos]

Maybe coz the infiltrator is the only viable class of albion???
At least till v1.56.............

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Everyone in albion rolls infils now.


Visit VN boards an you can read masses of whines on how albion is gimped "Ohh..there are no support classes for me and my 15 infil m8s"


If everyone rolls stealthers theres no one left to play the support classes.

 

[Wuren]

I can do a lot of things while defending,

/dance is uber and sometimes I even get of a /kiss

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
Everyone in albion rolls infils now.


Visit VN boards an you can read masses of whines on how albion is gimped "Ohh..there are no support classes for me and my 15 infil m8s"


If everyone rolls stealthers theres no one left to play the support classes.

Ppl rolls infils coz theyr bored of being insta messed, shield stunned, rooting n so..... before die with 2 DD.
At least this is the main reason coz i made an infil alt. And know some others who did the same.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


Ppl rolls infils coz theyr bored of being insta messed, shield stunned, rooting n so..... before die with 2 DD.
At least this is the main reason coz i made an infil alt. And know some others who did the same.

Errrr.. and how the fuck does your infi avoid being insta messed, shield stunned, rooted, QC stunned/mezzed/rooted/snared before dying to to 2 DDs?


No, the reason almost everyone rolls an infil alt is they expect to be all-powerful and undefeatable.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
Maybe coz the infiltrator is the only viable class of albion???
At least till v1.56.............

Well, if by "only viable class" you mean "can be considered better than the alternatives from the other realms" then that may be true, but if you mean "can be played by a reasonable player to reasonable success" then you are very wrong.

Edit: Oh, I would also say Friars fit into the "can be considered better than the alternatives from the other realms" category, but I wouldn't know what you'd class an an alternative from the other realms? Warden?

Anyway, Infiltrators are certainly not "the only viable class of albion".

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


Ppl rolls infils coz theyr bored of being insta messed, shield stunned, rooting n so..... before die with 2 DD.
At least this is the main reason coz i made an infil alt. And know some others who did the same.

Thats pretty much BS, as pin said, being an infil doesn't unable you to be mezzed stunned an the works, ppl rolled infils because they are deemed 'Abions Uber Class'.



Fact is, you say "know some others who did the same." well if those 'others' including yourself, had rerolled Sorc, Mincers, Armsmen,Wiz, Theurg etc, you would infact have less chance of being mezzed due to cure mez, then you be able to shield stun yourself, and kill others in 2 DDs (See Wildfires uber bolts for example).


There are a few infils that play thier class well (don't need to name them, everyone knows who they are), and then there are all the ppl who decided to play one because they think they're uber.

It makes life as a mid much much easier.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
Ppl rolls infils coz theyr bored of being insta messed, shield stunned, rooting n so..... before die with 2 DD.
At least this is the main reason coz i made an infil alt. And know some others who did the same.

People roll infils because they want to be "ub3r l33t st34lth k1ll4rz!!111". Then they whine about no groups etc. Don't worry once 1.56 hits they'll all go roll chanters or something.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Pin


Errrr.. and how the fuck does your infi avoid being insta messed, shield stunned, rooted, QC stunned/mezzed/rooted/snared before dying to to 2 DDs?

You cant mezz wot u cant see.

Originally posted by Pin
No, the reason almost everyone rolls an infil alt is they expect to be all-powerful and undefeatable.

You can extrapolate this to enchanters.

Dunno the reason coz u roll an infil, but at least in my case i got more chances to do something in rvr with my infil than with my merc.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos


Thats pretty much BS, as pin said, being an infil doesn't unable you to be mezzed stunned an the works, ppl rolled infils because they are deemed 'Abions Uber Class'.



Fact is, you say "know some others who did the same." well if those 'others' including yourself, had rerolled Sorc, Mincers, Armsmen,Wiz, Theurg etc, you would infact have less chance of being mezzed due to cure mez, then you be able to shield stun yourself, and kill others in 2 DDs (See Wildfires uber bolts for example).


There are a few infils that play thier class well (don't need to name them, everyone knows who they are), and then there are all the ppl who decided to play one because they think they're uber.

It makes life as a mid much much easier.

U mencioned sorcs... dont make me laugh, just go to alb forums n see the sorc thread. No point reroll an armsman alt when u got a tank as main. N u forget that there is ppl who dont like the play style of casters/nukers coz they prefer to rely in their cold steel (mmhh this reminds me my times of D&D role afternoons sesions)

U wrote about infils n forgot to wrote about ur uber sbs population.

And, ermm nowadays we cant talk about mid life coz seems this realm is dead, at least NOWADAYS.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


U mencioned sorcs... dont make me laugh, just go to alb forums n see the sorc thread.

U wrote about infils n forgot to wrote about ur sbs population.

And, ermm nowadays we cant talk about mid life coz seems this realm is dead, at least NOWADAYS.

I know our SB pop is high, but proof that it's all about uberness...

2 weeks ago..
/who hunter - 13 matches
/who shadowblade 60+ matches

Now...
/who hunter 40ish matches
/who shadowblade 30ish.

i play a shadowblade myself, rolled it ages ago but lvld other chars instead. Granted they are fun very fun chars to play, they are more uber to the observer than the player.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
You cant mezz wot u cant see.

Of course you can. AE mezz, PBAE mezz, etc, etc.

And nevermind that you actually have to become unstealthed for you to do anything. The only way you can avoid these risks is by 1-shotting everything you meet and only attacking people who are solo.

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
You can extrapolate this to enchanters.

Dunno the reason coz u roll an infil, but at least in my case i got more chances to do something in rvr with my infil than with my merc.

The reason I rolled an inf back in April is because I was sick of having my Theurgist being peppered by arrows from certain 'unstoppable' solo hunters and rangers that would camp everywhere. That isn't really the case anymore.

And looking at mercs vs. infils:

1 Konah 1,535,774 65,085 50 First Cohort Highlander
2 Alithiel Brightblade 1,156,558 95,311 50 First Cohort Highlander
3 Stone Cold 1,061,914 19,166 50 Legion of Darkness Highlander

1 Ninjastyle 1,627,226 119,123 50 Guardians of Light Saracen
2 Osrim Blackhearted 1,508,254 109,533 50 First Cohort Saracen
3 Brommix Boldhenter 1,403,055 110,491 50 Herfølge Boldklub Briton


Mercs don't seem to come out so badly considering there are 2.4x as many Infiltrators.

If you are unable to do anything in rvr with your merc I really wouldn't put it down to the class being bad.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Danyan

People roll infils because they want to be "ub3r l33t st34lth k1ll4rz!!111". Then they whine about no groups etc. Don't worry once 1.56 hits they'll all go roll chanters or something.

They already did roll chanters... On Tuesday when there was ~2fg or so hibs in Thidranki, at worst I could see 6 of the underhill faggots running around. The caster pets are in need of huge nerfing, 2 DD's from one (yellow) and my cabalist is dead - no way a spellcasting 80-85% PET should be able to do that. Lucky their melee is shit, orange underhill faggot lost to my unbuffed emerald Shame my amber doesn't proc as much as sapphire or emerald, getting chain-stunned by Michelin-man would surely suck ass.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Pin


Of course you can. AE mezz, PBAE mezz, etc, etc.

And nevermind that you actually have to become unstealthed for you to do anything. The only way you can avoid these risks is by 1-shotting everything you meet and only attacking people who are solo.



The reason I rolled an inf back in April is because I was sick of having my Theurgist being peppered by arrows from certain 'unstoppable' solo hunters and rangers that would camp everywhere. That isn't really the case anymore.

And looking at mercs vs. infils:

1 Konah 1,535,774 65,085 50 First Cohort Highlander
2 Alithiel Brightblade 1,156,558 95,311 50 First Cohort Highlander
3 Stone Cold 1,061,914 19,166 50 Legion of Darkness Highlander

1 Ninjastyle 1,627,226 119,123 50 Guardians of Light Saracen
2 Osrim Blackhearted 1,508,254 109,533 50 First Cohort Saracen
3 Brommix Boldhenter 1,403,055 110,491 50 Herfølge Boldklub Briton


Mercs don't seem to come out so badly considering there are 2.4x as many Infiltrators.

If you are unable to do anything in rvr with your merc I really wouldn't put it down to the class being bad.

1st: i didnt say the class is bad

2nd: i said i do more with my infil than with my merc, but never wrote the word NOTHING.

3rd: every1 got his own reasons to chose a character

4rd: maybe (n only maybe) if i hadnt spent my time leveling an alt instead rvr with my merc, maybe i had more rps, but i tested the infil in bg n i like the way of play it.

5th: Ninjastyle is an alt

 

[yog-hurt]

mm i agree with pin

we need infis who can play their chars well

these days we have uber amounts of infis been PL all the way to 50... and umm well they are gonna be fucked when the come to emian...

GL

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by yog-hurt
mm i agree with pin

we need infis who can play their chars well

these days we have uber amounts of infis been PL all the way to 50... and umm well they are gonna be fucked when the come to emian...

GL

Maybe u would like to start a "Play ur infil well" guide..........
I would find it very usefull

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
1st: i didnt say the class is bad

Sorry for inferring from "the infiltrator is the only viable class of albion" that you meant that "every class in albion other than infiltrators is bad".

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
5th: Ninjastyle is an alt

No, actually Ninjastyle started his around when I started mine and he hit 50 the week before I did. He then quit the game (on about 600k rps) and the character has been played by a certain farmer's brother for the last 3 months or so. Just recently (the past couple of weeks) the character has been mostly played by other people aswell.

Then again, it depends on how you define 'alt'. If you mean it wasn't the character he or I rolled first then fine. But Pin certainly hasn't been described as my 'alt' since about June.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Pin
(Dumn tanks standing on the wall... what do you think you are going to do up there? Scare us away by waving your stick? Or by glimpsing your face?)

Maybe slamming you and killing you when you try to go for our mages and rangers?( :

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Pin


Sorry for inferring from "the infiltrator is the only viable class of albion" that you meant that "every class in albion other than infiltrators is bad".

Nps

Originally posted by Pin
No, actually Ninjastyle started his around when I started mine and he hit 50 the week before I did. He then quit the game (on about 600k rps) and the character has been played by a certain farmer's brother for the last 3 months or so. Just recently (the past couple of weeks) the character has been mostly played by other people aswell.

Thats something only a few persons know

Originally posted by Pin
Then again, it depends on how you define 'alt'. If you mean it wasn't the character he or I rolled first then fine. But Pin certainly hasn't been described as my 'alt' since about June.

Agreed, i could call my infil as main since September or so. But again we r talking about personal points of view: u started Pin coz u was sick (i think) of being sniped, i started Ohcan coz i think (another time my personal point of view) light tanks didnt offer nothing special (no slam, no powerfull damage dealers, less hit points, less armor). Now GOA improved a bit light tanks (but hell Dirty Tricks is somekind of joke)

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica


Maybe slamming you and killing you when you try to go for our mages and rangers?( :

Maybe being a nice big target for AE mezz/stun/root/damage/dots? But yeah, if they're alert and competant, a slam is good

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Pin
Anyway, Infiltrators are certainly not "the only viable class of albion".

To me friars are the most appealing class of Albion, followed by the infiltrator, the cleric, the minstrel and the sorcerer.

In Midgard, I like runemasters, spiritmasters, skalds, healers and zerkers best.

In Hibernia, I like wardens, druids and mentalists best.

I still think every realm has some classes/specs that make them particularly appealing, but I get the feeling that that opinion is becoming more and more extinct... so many people keep complaining about Albion having crap classes and Hibernia being overpowered. Most seem neutral about Midgard.

I think the biggest problem in Albion is that many people spec their classes to be good solo instead of supportive for the group (especially the healing/ressing classes), for whatever reason. Maybe because of the way the xp groups work in Albion, I dunno. There's lots of minstrels/infils, melee friars, smite clerics...and the paladin isn't exactly popular afaik... Mind you I don't play an alb, this is purely based on what I've heard and seen in RvR ( ;

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica


To me friars are the most appealing class of Albion, followed by the infiltrator, the cleric, the minstrel and the sorcerer.

Agreed with the 1st part, forgot to mencioned em when i said "infils is the only viable class of Albion" (soz again Pin). But cant agree with sorcs: the only CC specialized class of DAOC n almost the less powerfull in the CC class chain.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
To me friars are the most appealing class of Albion, followed by the infiltrator, the cleric, the minstrel and the sorcerer.

The real problem that I see with the Sorcerer is that it is completely unforgiving. You need to be 100% alert 100% of the time and have perfect reaction times in order to perform your duties. There are VERY few people who can keep this up for any length of time. I don't know that there is a worse class with regards to this. In the right hands, the Sorcerer can be powerful, but most people can't play it in the right style (certainly not without going completely mental).

At least with Infiltrators you can put your brain on idle a lot of the time while walking around stealthed on the way to somewhere to hunt, Minstrels have escape options if things go against them, Clerics mostly need to be alert during the course of a battle, but can largely /stick someone in between.

With no instas, low hit points, no armour the Sorcerer ALWAYS has to be ready for the first strike.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Pin


At least with Infiltrators you can put your brain on idle a lot of the time while walking around stealthed on the way to somewhere to hunt

This is some kind of class ability assasins have, really usefull to eat ur sandwich or drink ur coke while heading amg or odins hmg

 

[Danya]

Minstrel you can beat your drum and go afk.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


Ppl rolls infils coz theyr bored of being insta messed, shield stunned, rooting n so..... before die with 2 DD.
At least this is the main reason coz i made an infil alt. And know some others who did the same.

What about before insta mez? There were too many infs then
Hibs were fed up of being frequently beaten to the mez by albs and we didn't turn into a realm of NS did we!
Guess it takes enough people playing a support class to broadcast how fun it is, reckon all you albs wanna do is hurt people and not support the realm as a whole

Played on alb/pryd yesterday and it's shocking, xping can be really dull, everyone plays the same class, lots of pallys, infs, minsts and armsman but not much else.
Would be funny if people discriminated against infs as much as NS, would have half a realm doing nothing then

Think albs are self-gimping the realm by doing so, don't whine when you can't find other classes and stop looking for da uber class to play, it's quite dull I think

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


You cant mezz wot u cant see.

No but you only need to see one person to ae mezz anyone standing nearby, our NS often complai of being caught while stealthed, then you can run up and PB, that'll help a bit

You can extrapolate this to enchanters.

Dunno the reason coz u roll an infil, but at least in my case i got more chances to do something in rvr with my infil than with my merc. [/B]

If there were so many enchanters then we wouldn't spend any time looking for any, but we do, it's a popular class to be sure but it isn't so uber than no one plays anything else.
I do quite a lot in rvr with my blademaster thanks, maybe because there are enough non-infs to kill around and I happen to like a good fight, I've fought 3 infs before and kicked some serious arse, be even better when (read IF) they fix the snare on snow shower, run away will ya?

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Pin


Errrr.. and how the fuck does your infi avoid being insta messed, shield stunned, rooted, QC stunned/mezzed/rooted/snared before dying to to 2 DDs?

by not being seen