This little thing I found..

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

War on Terror is against terrorism - not a religion. It's also a very delicate and debateabe subject.

Well done on listing three wars which involve religion though. Theres alot more not containing religion. I just can't be arsed to sit here and type out stuff that I don't particulary enjoy (ie. religion as a whole).

And lastly, learn to read. I never said thats wars were laughable, I said the statistics offered were. Don't try to turn around my comments, through twisting words, to make me seem like some unholy piece of shit.

Ok.

If you believe that war on terror is against terrorism... think again. 3500 american civillian casualties since september 11th 2001.... that's just about the same as the annual trafficcasualties over there. If it's about protecting their civillians they oughtta do something about roadsafety, fireprevention, better housingconstruction, Crimereduction. The only terrorist in this war against terror is Georgyboy.

really dude.. perhaps on the surface it might not look like it but there really are few wars out there that aren't based on a religious conflict of some sort.

You yourself are british. You had religious kings and queens that hanged those that didn't attend their specific religious church...

 

[haarewin]

War on Terror is against terrorism - not a religion

the name "war on terrorism" is laughable at best. that war is about controlling oil, and controlling populations - placing the USA in a place that they cannot vote Bush out and putting the UK in a place that 'couldn't' vote Blair out. it's also a way to pass ridiculous laws and acts that should never have seen the light of day. (bush's "patriot act", and blair with the id card "cashcow"/scheme)

 

[Bugz]

the name "war on terrorism" is laughable at best. that war is about controlling oil, and controlling populations - placing the USA in a place that they cannot vote Bush out and putting the UK in a place that 'couldn't' vote Blair out. it's also a way to pass ridiculous laws and acts that should never have seen the light of day. (bush's "patriot act", and blair with the id card "cashcow"/scheme)

And you class all that under what?

It's defiently not religion.

Although yes, I agree, terrorism was the wrong word.

 

[haarewin]

And you class all that under what?

It's defiently not religion.

Although yes, I agree, terrorism was the wrong word.

i class it as capitalism. religion also plays a part because of the constant referall to the "fact" that these are 'muslim extremists' and that is not what the people of america are. they are christians and anything that isnt christian needs blowing up, obviously.

 

[noblok]

hmm... remember that little part on the north of that big island to your west? Remember Guy Fawkes? Remember the Inquisition?
Your british and you say religion has nothing to do with it?

- Inquisition can hardly be classed as a 'war'. Maybe as terrorism, but certainly not a war.

yep the crusades were just a joke so is the fighting in iresal and the war on terror < which basicly boils down to religion> oh and the fighting in northan ireland prodstand v catholic.. just a nice laughing matter i suppose :>

- Israel-Palestine is a territorial conflict much more than a religious.
- The war on terror doesn't 'basically boil down to religion.' It's a lot more complicated.


Non-religious wars and genocides (just the ones I can think of from the top of my head):
Greek conflicts (in Ancient times), Alexander the Great, Roman conquests, Napoleontic wars, colonisation, the French revolutions, Greek independance, Italian wars, Crimean war, American civil war, Prussia vs Denmark, Prussia vs Austria-Hungary, October revolution, World War I and II, Balkan conflicts,...

Stalin's genocides (some of them were religious genocides, others racial, intellectual, whatever he wanted), Pol Pot's genocide (I know little of this, but as far as I know this wasn't religious), Mao's genocides, Rwanda genocide (racial rather than religious, but I guess it's shady ground. I'm not familiar with Hutu and Tutsi religion).


Now, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just asking you where you got your statistics from.

 

[Bugz]

Blokkie wtf are you? a robot? oO

 

[Dukat]

My ally is The Force, and a powerful ally it is!

 

[DocWolfe]

the war on terrorism isn't related to the war in iraq- the war on terrorism is fighting it back at home in the uk e.g. the prevented attack on transatlantic flights.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'd like to meet a person who has obeyed the 10 commandments

I bet there are only a handful of people that this "god" would save, according to his rules.

I like my gods, odin and the chaps(and gals) don't mind if you've been a bit naughty

 

[Jeremiah]

I'd like to meet a person who has obeyed the 10 commandments

I bet there are only a handful of people that this "god" would save, according to his rules.

I like my gods, odin and the chaps(and gals) don't mind if you've been a bit naughty

The 10 Commandments were part of the old law - and even then you could still bring sacrifices to atone for all the wrong things you had done. There was and is always a way to get back to God

 

[Lethul]

didnt Bush say he had a vision or something that he had to invade iraq?

"President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State"

long live christianity!

 

[adoNix]

The world would have been much better with no religions.

eod.

 

[fl3a]

The world would have been much better with no religions.

eod.

i would partly agree with you here, because at this moment religion is not necessary to the world. however, had there not been religion a while ago i dare say the world would be a much worse place. i think an analogue would be if some people refused to use electrical machines instead of steam machines. they were useful back in their day, but their time is done and for the current society they would do more harm than good.

 

[dub]

tad weird thou , normal attitude towards people hearing voices or having delusions is to hospitalize them in some way and try treat with medication or therapy , but if you claim the burning bush talking to you is a deity incarnated its allright

as for ID , hardly new idea , thomas aquinas was making a living 1300 AD telling stories of how he could prove god existed (on a sidenote he was known as a great cookie connoisseur ) ID is politics , not science , they have an agenda , but no theories that can be verified by experiments.

 

[Svartmetall]

*reads opening post*

"Currently having sex with your sister"

...reasonably sure that's a deadly sin, right there.

 

[snushanen]

The world would have been much better with no religions.

eod.

I partly agree with you too.

If we think about why the religions were "born". I belive it was 2 reasons.

1. With the idea of God(s) people could explain phenonomens they couldn`t explain by combining it to a God. Like today we know that thunder and lightning is caused by static electrisity between 2 opposite charged clouds, but our ancestors in skandinavia didnt know sh*t about electricity so they combined the phenonomen with Thor the God of thunder. The crown of the unexplainable phenonomens are "death", people from all the world had an imagination about the "afterlife" and this is clearly one of the strongest factor to why the religions existst.

2. Cultural. Many people feel they belong to a religion, as much as a country or people. Like the Jews according to the bible. They was as much the same people as same religion, and they sticked togheter during the egyptian slavery. Many people feel they find their ethnical place in a religion.

I think today its the 2nd reason that keep religions alive. Like the war in Libanon. Many people call that a religius war. It is called that because on the one side there is jews and on the other side muslims. But that is only because the 2 religions stick togheter as ethnical groups. I think its much more of a terretorial war then a religius war. Even the crusades was all about lands and wealth.

People who claim to fight in the name of their God or religion is just lame, they use that as an excuse to feel better about what they do.

I think most of uss in the west dont need a religion because 1. we feel we can explain enogh of the strange phenonomens . 2. because we are confident about our ethnical relations. But some people might need a religion, people wo still use the religion as a cultural/ethnical goal, people that need a "brotherhood feeling".

I also belive the founding of Isreal was a mistake, no offence against any religions/ethnical groups but it clearly hasnt worked out to well there.


And answer to the thread i am mainly an Atheist. I cant belive in the existence of something almighty or something that cant be explained mathematicly.

 

[Ctuchik]

religion is the root of all(almost) evil in this world

money have a pretty big part of it to, they just call it religion to have a "viable" excuse..

 

[Spis]

I stole a pack of M&Ms yesterday.. Does this mean i go to hell? Or is it okay if i visit ze church and say sowwy?

Know almost nuttin about religion.. Twue

 

[Dorimor1]

It's just the fanatics, most people can live in harmony.

 

[snushanen]

I stole a pack of M&Ms yesterday.. Does this mean i go to hell? Or is it okay if i visit ze church and say sowwy?

Know almost nuttin about religion.. Twue

Well i might have a solutition for you. One pack of M&Ms stolen, if you pay me 20€ i can fix it so you go straight to heaven man

If someone whant to go to heaven but dont wanna go to church every sunday its 39.99 € a year, what do you say people

 

[old.Tohtori]

One thing that people forget is that almost every soldier fighting "in the name of god" against terrorism or whatever, won't be going to heaven.

Murder is unforgivable.

 

[DavidH]

Murder is unforgivable.

You obviously missed your religion classes

 

[old.Tohtori]

You obviously missed your religion classes

Didn't go.

I'm no christian see

 

[snushanen]

One thing that people forget is that almost every soldier fighting "in the name of god" against terrorism or whatever, won't be going to heaven.

Murder is unforgivable.

i understod it like u can kill the entire world and then come to heaven if you are realy sorry, that u are forgiven if you regrett. maybe i missed some of the religion classes to

Didn't go.

I'm no christian see

didnt you have obligatoric religion class on school, is it only Norway wo has it

 

[Job]

What if you really didnt like someone in your family, would you be able to hide from them for ever in heaven?

If life after death is for ever, then it is infinite, and if you balance infinite against the few years on Earth then you are allready in Heaven.

What if you die as a baby, do you spend eternity sucking a dummy?

How about if you have a leg amputated, will it be waiting for you in heaven?

We have allready all been dead forever, the infinite time span before you were born is exactly the same as being dead.

Given infinite time then everything than can happen will eventually happen and by pure chance you will be born again on an exact same planet trillions of years in the future, of course you won't experience the wait so to you the rebirth will be instantaneous, and will repeat forever, in fact you may be doomed to be you for eternity, preety bad if you don't like yourself.

 

[old.Tohtori]

didnt you have obligatoric religion class on school, is it only Norway wo has it

Yeah, but luckily i didn't belong to the church so, it wasn't.

It's only for the christian children evidently.

Which only proves that the world is rasict even from basic schooling system.

 

[tris-]

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Party;

The biggest party ever is when you get through the gates of heaven. Because you will be living eternally with God.

Jesus also said if you deny me in front of your friends i will deny you in front of my Father

You know the number 666 is not a trend. Its the mark of the beast and thats not cool. Lately being evil is scene! DUMB!!! I dont judge people for what they like but dont give me that 666 crap.

98% of teens won't stand up for God.
Say aye if you are one of those 2% percents.

bull shit, everyone knows the biggest party is at glastonbury.

i dont 'do' religion. and i dont get why people believe it, but they do. and people always will, so what we think doesnt mean jack.

i think religion sucks now but it was probably worse in ye old days, when everyone was forced to believe it instead.

 

[Kinag]

Odin can kick god's ass anytime.

>_<

 

[Huntingtons]

Yes you are one of the people who would ruin this idea, 'grats.

By being selfish and not doing your work for the state, and thereby not helping your fellow people, you would be the rotten apple that would infect all the others.

it's still an utopia, as much as i love the idea its far to fragile. to me its a nuclear powerplant, its efficient but very fragile and if the plant blows it has immense concequences.
In case we all had to me social people and all work for our comrades, we'd have to be indocktrinated (spelling? does it exsist in english) and loose the free will, but the society would work flawlessly. Thats why liberalism works to some extend - well nothings perfect. (im a big Marx fan, hell, to some extend lenin, but not stalin)

/ontopic
Anybody here read the Q'ouran? (w/e) - my sources has told me that in that book it says that any with different religon shalt be eliminated. I think the bible has it as well to some extend. So yes, the mono-god (cant remember right word) religions do want to eliminate each other.

Jeremiah - so you belive in not wanting to go to hell, and not in jesus. And just because we choose to belive something doesnt make us guilty (or not guilty) we havnt done anything.

My question to any religious person is:
if you have a god (GOD) and belive he created the universe - what about people beliving in allah. Clearly they arent the same person because they dont preach the same things (muhammed went to some mountain and got the q'ouran). How can these 2 heavens co-exsist when you you only got 1 creator? (we are all created by the one god i assume)

 

[Jeremiah]

Jeremiah - so you belive in not wanting to go to hell, and not in jesus. And just because we choose to belive something doesnt make us guilty (or not guilty) we havnt done anything.

I believe in Jesus, and God - that is the God of the Jews and the Gentiles. And not because I believe I have to in order of not going to hell - avoiding hell is just a bonus

What I dont believe in is modern day religion, where by you are told you can go to heaven by certain works (such as going to church every week, or praying 5 times a day, or behaving in a certain way) or that certain other works can cancel you out from Heaven. The step of belief in Jesus (and therefore God) is the only thing that saves you - because (I believe) there is nothing we can do to earn a place in heaven (And this is entirely what the bible teaches! We need a saviour, because we cant save ourselves). You may feel making the choice to believe or not is us doing something to get ourselves into heaven. But we (the Christians ) believe God chose us all to believe, its up to us to respond. He made the step towards us.

If you dont believe in the bible, or other religious text, then of course it will seem unfair that (the religious believe) the whole of humanity may be punished for the wrong things of others. But thats what our faith is based upon... mankind is so lost that we need God to come and save us If you dont believe in any God, then this just wont make sense If you want to believe, then read up the true words that are written about it and then you can make an informed decision!

My question to any religious person is:
if you have a god (GOD) and belive he created the universe - what about people beliving in allah. Clearly they arent the same person because they dont preach the same things (muhammed went to some mountain and got the q'ouran). How can these 2 heavens co-exsist when you you only got 1 creator? (we are all created by the one god i assume)

I'll be honest and say most religions believe that theirs is the correct one and that all others are false, to the extent that most religious texts contradict those of other religions (i.e. the Q'uoran contradicts the new testement of the bible, and vice versa) Some believe there is more than one God and so multiple heavens are possible.