This is just plain sad

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Nemue

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After some tiresome months of crafting i finally took my lvl24 ranger off the shelf andwent to thid before i'm off to bed, last time i was in thid was in patch 1.50 or summin' like that, and of what i can remember it was pretty fun running around stealthing/sniping.

However what i thought would be a fun event turned into something rather sad.

I was using a 10% bonus 98%qual heartwood heavy great recurve bow, thought i'd use a slow bow to frontload my dmg on my critshot, and so my first victim came running about, a lone yellowcon dwarfskald (Rocketdwarf, rather hilarious name btw ;) ) lined up my critshot and and i hit the damn thing for 100dmg roughly (this with a bow with 6s drawtime on the critshot), second shot went off and hit for 77 dmg.

After some hide and seek i finally killed him since he didn't seem to know where the shots came from till it was too late. (tho his mates found me 3 seconds later after i bowed to Rocketdwarf (never bow to a dwarf ;), they got friends where u least expect it lol =). anyway, thought the rather crappy dmg might have been bcoz of armortype and using the wrong arrowtype. So as i was about to log i decided to try my luck on some sitting albs near the CK, among 2 yellows there sat a bluecon Avalonian, i got up rather close and lined up my shot again and i hit for 180dmg, ON A BLOODY SITTING BLUE CON CASTER, maybe i didn't expect to 1shot him, but i definatly expect to take him under 50% health, especially when he's sitting.

After getting ganked 2seconds later i promptly decided to shelf the ranger again. I honestly can't understand how anyone can be arsed to play a ranger with that kind of dmgoutput, i seem to remember that alst time i was in thid, in patch 1.50 i could hit bluecon's for 4xxdmg with a critshot from my 5.5spd bow (if they we're stupid enough to hang around for me to line up a second critshot after the bt is popped).

oh, well, just blowing off some steam.
 
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Melodic

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hmmm that is very sucky damage, how are you specced and what is your dex and quickness at?

you're sure you weren't rez sick? for the avalonian caster at least, the dwarf might just have had capped slash resist...

oh and there is no point using a heavy great recurve until lvl 50 rr5...little extra damage for such a long draw time.
 
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Nemue

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Very sure i was not ress-sick, atleast not before i shot avalonian =) 2 secs after tho i was very RS and back in ligen.

and vs the dwarf-skald i used keen broadhead arrows, not sure what armortype the skalds wear so may have been resistant to my arrows along with high pierceresist. wouldn't know, however from the dmg-msg it only said 77 (-18) or so.

Think i will log the poor sod again later tonight and see if i can pull some logs from the misery, don't think they'll do much good, but atleast we will be something to laugh about here ;)
 
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Gabrial

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Wowzer that low dmg.

My Scout on Alb would regularly (8/10 times) one-shot blue casters. Yellows were hit and miss but likewise I have been killed in one shot with my caster by hunters/scouts in the BG so not sure whats happening there. Were they the top set of arrows?
 
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Chameleon

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My ranger capped in bg1 a few weeks ago now. I was using a self crafted 99% heartwood heavy recurve with spec at about 24 bow, 12 pierce, rest PF (no stealth or cd, yet). I used the slash or crush ffb's and had an absolute blast in Thidranki!! I would take half of the mid/alb classes in one single crit shot, others took 2 shots. I was hitting all classes from all realms with MASSIVE amounts of damage. In fact, it really surprised me, even though i expected the bow/arrows to make a big difference.
I'm at a loss as to why you would not see the same results, but I certainly don't think it's the ranger as a class. Members of my guild have also made bg1 rangers and have commented on the same kind of positive results as I had.
 
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ricky_latino

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*skald armour (mid chain is resistant to slash)
*sitting ppl woont yield 2x dmg if you are using bow/arrows

*"keen broadhead arrows"
use FFB arrows FS
 
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Nemue

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Originally posted by ricky_latino
*skald armour (mid chain is resistant to slash)
*sitting ppl woont yield 2x dmg if you are using bow/arrows

even so i should definatly be hitting for more than 189 with a bow with spd:5.5 and a 6second drawtime on a sitting target.


*"keen broadhead arrows"
use FFB arrows FS [/B]


keen/blunt/barbed arrows only come in footed flight broadhead version, so go figure.


Will have another go later tonight and see if i can figure out what i did wrong, will take some logs this time too so i can share the misery =).
 
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Gekul

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The fact that he was sitting is irrelevant m8, the penalty to defence from sitting doesn't apply to arrows.
Critshots don't work against running targets or people in melee so you probably didn't get a critshot on Rocketdwarf.
Take a look here for what arrow types you should be using. If you're not sure what class it is using what ever is neutral is probably best.
The damage does seem a little low though, what are your specs? I am getting higher with a faster bow with my hunter this patch so maybe just bad luck.

Hunter is Luck btw :)
 
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Nemue

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speccs@lvl24 is as follows
recurve bows :24
pathfinding :16
stealth :11
pierce :12
cdw :3

and as u mention i didn't get many critshots of vs rocketdwarf (which was due to a combination of me falling of my chair laughing at his name and he would be lightyears outside my critrange when he ran around), think i hit him with 1 crit during a standoff near mtk, tho i tried critshotting some mid-casters and that avalonian dude, none of my critshots exceeded 200dmg.
 
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Danamyr

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You are doing something wrong then mate - I have a Lvl 24 Briton Scout specced 24 LB, 16 Thrust and 16 Shield. She uses red con Dyrwood Hunting, Long and Heavy Long Bows. With the Long and Heavy I single crit shot kill any blue con caster - and often some yellows as well.

I'd like to help you further, but as you cannot PM me there's little else I can do ;)
 
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Nemue

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I've been in thid before (back when we had patch:1.50), back then with the same setup and same lvl i know i did considerably more dmg, not uncommon to critshot for 4xx dmg on casters and 1shotting a fair deal of them, and even when not getting a crit off an ordinary shot would hit for 2xx dmg.

I'm quite confused as to why i'm doing so much lower dmg now compared to then, will craft myself a highendbow and see if that helps, tho an orangecon bow should be enough really.
 
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Karnage

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u checked the condition of your bow?

could be at like 50% liek i found on one of my weaps when i was in BG :p
 
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Nemue

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Originally posted by ASq.Karnage
u checked the condition of your bow?

could be at like 50% liek i found on one of my weaps when i was in BG :p

Very sure, the bows i used were newly crafted by myself, so the condition was not an issue here.

Ran a few more tests tonite, tho logs were kinda scarce, got one thos that describes the nights events pretty well..

as this logs starts the albs are in the water chasing some hibs and i am on the opposite shore and i target a yellowcon friar in their midst, they're fighting so can't pull off a crit here. (this is with an orangecon 98%qual heartwod great recurve 10%bonus using keen footed flight broadheadarrows)

[23:46:39] You prepare your shot (4s to fire, target is in range)
[23:46:40] You will now automatically release your shot.
[23:46:41] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[23:46:43] You are no longer hidden!
[23:46:44] Your strike was absorbed by a magical barrier!
[23:46:44] You prepare your shot (4s to fire, target is in range)
[23:46:44] You will now automatically release your shot.
[23:46:44] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[23:46:44] Etherdred was just killed by Mavo!
[23:46:45] You miss!
[23:46:46] You will no longer automatically release your shot or reload.
[23:46:48] You are ready to fire!
[23:46:50] You prepare your shot (4s to fire, target is in range)
[23:46:50] Mavo evades your attack!
[23:46:51] You will now automatically release your shot.
[23:46:52] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[23:46:55] You prepare your shot (4s to fire, target is in range)
[23:46:55] You shoot Mavo with your bow and hit for 113 (-13) damage!
[23:46:55] You hit Mavo for 12 extra damage!

(at this point the albs are on my side of the shore so i decide to leg it and stealth somewhere)

[23:46:56] You move and interrupt your shot!
[23:46:58] You prepare to sprint!
[23:46:59] You've been in combat recently and can't hide yet!
[23:47:00] You've been in combat recently and can't hide yet!
[23:47:01] You've been in combat recently and can't hide yet!
[23:47:02] You've been in combat recently and can't hide yet!
[23:47:03] You've been in combat recently and can't hide yet!
[23:47:04] You've been in combat recently and can't hide yet!
[23:47:05] You are now hidden!
[23:47:05] You are no longer sprinting.
[23:47:10] Whitecrow was just killed by Xaza!

(here find out i got homing sapphire simulacrum on my ass)

[23:47:13] You are no longer hidden!
[23:47:13] You are hit for 62 damage.
[23:47:13] Your life energy is stolen!
[23:47:13] The sapphire simulacrum hits your torso for 34 (-5) damage!
[23:47:13] You are hit for 5 damage.
[23:47:14] You prepare to sprint!
[23:47:16] You resist the effect!
[23:47:16] Your life energy is stolen!
[23:47:24] You cast a Forest Shadow Spell!
[23:47:24] Your speed greatly increases!
[23:47:24] You are no longer sprinting.
[23:47:32] Nidva was just killed by Wither!

(here i had an alb 5yards behind me so i quickly stealth and the alb changes direction, still got the simalacrum homing on me)

[23:47:42] You are now hidden!
[23:47:47] You are no longer hidden!

(mash the F8 button and keep running, very ooe atm and just hoping i'll get to the htk before i'm caught up with)

[23:47:49] No monster target in range.
[23:47:49] No monster target in range.
[23:47:49] No monster target in range.
[23:47:50] Xaza was just killed by Mavo!
[23:47:50] No monster target in range.
[23:47:53] No monster target in range.
[23:47:54] No monster target in range.
[23:48:15] You must wait 550 seconds to use this ability!

(and there was hope for a half a minute or so)

[23:48:25] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:25] You are hit for 32 damage.
[23:48:25] You've been in combat recently and can't hide yet!
[23:48:28] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:28] You are hit for 31 damage.
[23:48:30] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:30] You are hit for 35 damage.
[23:48:30] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:30] You are hit for 35 damage.
[23:48:32] Your Strength has decreased.
[23:48:32] You feel weaker!
[23:48:33] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:33] You are hit for 43 damage.
[23:48:33] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:33] You are hit for 41 damage.
[23:48:35] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:35] You are hit for 35 damage.
[23:48:35] Ulcus attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:35] You are hit for 29 damage.
[23:48:35] Ulcus attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:35] You are hit for 44 damage.
[23:48:38] Ulcus attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:38] You are hit for 52 damage.
[23:48:38] Sezer attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:38] You are hit for 43 damage.
[23:48:41] Ulcus attacks you with his dagger!
[23:48:41] You are hit for 64 damage.
[23:48:41] Marten was just killed by Ulcus!
[23:48:41] Your strength returns.
[23:48:41] Your Strength has increased.
[23:48:41] The shield around you fades.
[23:48:41] Your strength returns to normal.
[23:48:41] Your Strength has decreased.
[23:48:41] Your agility returns to normal.
[23:48:41] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[23:48:41] Your Quickness has decreased.
[23:48:41] You have died. Type /release to return to your last bind point.
[23:48:41] You died fighting for your realm and lose no experience!
[23:49:03] Fermin was just killed by Sezer!
[23:49:16] You release your corpse unto death.
[23:49:16] Your surroundings suddenly change!

After this event i went to Tnn and crafted myself a set of 98% dyrwood bows, when i got back to test them i forgot to turn the chatlog on, but the result was much the same, i ran with 2 other hibs, 1 of them got jumped by an inf near the CK, i line up my shot and hit him for 90dmg or so and he pa's me for 170, i think u can figure out how the story ended.

conclusion: i've tried to use highend arrows with low & highend bows, with very slow speed to up my dmg,experimented with my gear to cap dex & bowspecc for my race/lvl, yet hitting for zilch, nada, zero, squat, crap dmg, even tho i need to wait 4 - 5 seconds to fire the shit, where i miss 3 out of 4 shots when it's at its worse. so my conclusion is the rangers dmgoutput absolutely sux, i can't honestly understand why ANYONE would like to go thru the pain of watching their toon get royally raped simply becoz they can't hit shit.

for those that still want to play their toon and like their rangers /salute. u have my sympathies, my own toon however is hanging up his bow and is retiring to a crafting life in tnn instead. (if i hadn't had 900+ fletching i would have deleted this toon instantly)
 

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