This is for ALL you stealthers who sometimes join groups in RvR.

[old.Miss]

Breif version in the end.


There are few things that stealther classes should learn while playing in groups in RvR (not stealther groups).

First you need to co-op more with the group, stick with them and if you see a stealther then you dont start chasing him for the next 30min when your group is somewhere else. You must stick together. If you wanna kill the stealther then tell your group you see a stealther, follow me lets go gank him.

When its looking bad for your group, you might loose the fight and have to release. Then DON'T hide and stay away, fight with your group to death. Because this is what a group should do, stick together to the end.

Its very annoying to fight a good fight then all go back to dl and you say "Where is Mr X" (Mr X being the stealther now). And he replies "Im in emain".

If your grouped as a stealther, and you feel the need of hiding and not dying with your group. then disband, as you are no use for your group and your better off solo.

As I have a lvl 50 nightshade - Peach, I attempt to help as much as I can to the end. If I happen to live the fight as everyone died, then I just go stab someone hoping to kill him/her, die and release.

Stealthers are known to be deadly in PvP but not much use in PvE, thats why they have hard time lvling and getting groups in PvE.

If you think its better to solo and funner, then solo. But when you team up with a group, then PLAY as a group and not as if you were a soloer following some people.


---ALL IN BREIF:---
When you Team up, play as a team, dont chicken out.

If anyone has any comments or something to add of this, please do. Because I bet there are others who feel the same or different,.

 

[Envenom2]

lol miss you have a bad experience with a stealther in your group today?

 

[old.FIN]

Miss, lets hope also some labs read it =)

but i know some albs that actually r good in following group, they should teach the others, and yes, most of them solo, and i say its luck to get good infil to group, and u know guys who i mean, i dont talk with shitty peeps =)

 

[old.Tdaer]

Okay, from a stealthers perspective !!

once of 2 scenarios !!


1) Grp is running along .. sees invaders .. rogue ALLWAYS stealth .. to get the target they wanna kill . ie mage / healer.

then hib CC doesn't do their job, gets mezzed / ganked . the group gets mezzed everyone standing around .. Lets say the rogue attacks .. making HIM the only moving target and thus a dead man ! he dies . the druid uses gp purge and the grp racks up the rps of which the rogue gets NONE casuse he's dead . OR ! he stays stealthed waiting for grp purge , which doesnt happend grp gets whiped and he's left standing there alone facing 1 fg whatever.


2) or ! the grp HAS a rogue , runs around just charging other invaders .. they don't let the rogue scout some and just charge into 3 fg invaders .. rogue stealths as per usual.. cc mezzes 60%...

but then gets purged and were TOTALLY outnumberd
by the time , moist are dead, so the rogue is agfain left standing there .. not having done anything

so my advice.. get a rogue.. but let them do their jobs .. this will add alot more fun to ganking people !!




elf out

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by old.Miss
Breif version in the end.

<snip>
When its looking bad for your group, you might loose the fight and have to release. Then DON'T hide and stay away, fight with your group to death. Because this is what a group should do, stick together to the end.

Its very annoying to fight a good fight then all go back to dl and you say "Where is Mr X" (Mr X being the stealther now). And he replies "Im in emain".
<snip>

I disagree completely with this.
I did this last night - and thus was able to stay near the heat of battle after our group got wiped by 2-3+ FG enemies. Thereby I was able to warn my group about incomming towards their position when they were returning and thus saving them from being ambushed.

 

[Ebonn]

I agree with Miss, but a lot of the time it goes like this :

Random hib group spots invaders > stealthers stealth to line up a target > invaders AoE mezz/stun ( mids mainly ) > hibs mostly get mezzed/stunned ( the stealther is often mezzed in stealth ) > stealther watches rest of group get ganked > stealthers mezz/stun wears off and hes the only 1 alive,

now in this case the stealther has three options,
1) attck the nearest enamy ( suicide, giving the invaders more rps and a good laugh )
2) sneak away and go suicide at one of the tk's or a enamy keep,
3) stay in emain ( or wherever ) and be a spy giving reports of enamy ativity, and wait for random hib group to pick you up on there way back.

now in my case if i can do option 2 in time before the hib group leaves DL again ill do that, if only option 1 and 3 are viable i will do option 3,
i dont know about other stealthers but the only reason i am left in emain ( or wherever ) is becouse something has gone wrong and i'm the only one of that group left alive,

all in all i agree with Miss apart from the bit about if your the only one alive you should suicide, stealthers play an important role in infomation gathering aswell, im often asked by players when im left in emain where the enamy are and how many etc.. and this infomation can help a lot,

 

[hotrat]

Well if i stay stealthed at the end of a fight its no difference cus some assasin who is stood on other end of emain can see me with see hidden and comes to reveal me so the rest can gank me

Anyway enough moaning, good post, as a minstrel its a lot quicker to move into position a bit then stealth, then just try and get behind or at least to the side of the group and start mezzing the casters at the back. Usually then some tanks spot me so i stun him as he runs at me then start mezz but determination means stun is about 1 sec long (ask sub, we agree it must be bugged) so he reaches me interupts and in a few hits i die, or i get healed and casters start nuking him and he dies

 

[old.Laryssa]

choice 3) is the only acceptable one Ebonn !

you can regroup at Crim at anytime - so I can't see the sense behind Miss post (sorry Miss) - don't think u scared to run from Ligen to Crim without a stealther.

 

[Runolaz]

Hmm…you had a bad day Miss?

I general I think that the world is not black and white, as we all know something in between. Stating that a stealther should always die with the grp is IMO silly. I have both died with my grp and been the only one left alive. Most of the time I have been more useful to the grp when I’m already in Emain and do one of the things I do best…that is scouting. I will tell on enemies camping mmg etc and prevent the grp from getting jumped on again. Actually one of the best positions I have is when Albs/hibs camp mmg and I can both tell on strength as well as go havoc on resting targets etc, and most of the time I team up with the others after a short time.

When we do keeps it is the other way around. I will sacrifize myself for the team to knock out any healer/caster inside the keep. Most of the time I get rezzed inside the Keep after we have opened the doors, but sometimes I don’t. I don’t moan about this, and I think it would be stupid of me to ask the team to all die in front of the keep because they cannot get to me inside the keep.

Again Miss I don’t see your point…

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Miss i'm not entirely disagreeing with you on the point about some of em running off it the group fight isnt going well - seen it happen- simple answer though - dont group with em if they wont fight when faced with a difficult fight.
However, i do realise that it often takes a few seconds to get into position for archers and assassins alike - 'cause lets face it we cant take a direct pounding so we have to maneouver clear to strike effectively.

However i totally disagree that they should suicide - most of the time with 8-1 we cant even take one with us due to bladeturn/heals etc.
Stealthers are ultimately the only classes able to provide constant on-site info that is necessary to defeat superior numbers - which hibs often seem to be facing.

 

[old.Miss]

lol?
I did not say that everyone should suicide once the group is dead. I said that it is what I usually do with my shade as i hate waiting. (this really dosnt happen often as I try to kill as many as I can unhidden once I have done the PA combo on someone)

It is an option to stay and scout if you live but it can be very fustrating when this "scout" dies when your on your way to emain already and is in a very hard spot to rez or something.

Of course you should do your general job as a stealther, duh? I'm not saying that you should play like a tank class and go gank.

Also this scouting thing, if you feel the need of doing it then plz do. There again im not saying that you shouldn't, please read my post again if you didnt undestand. My point was, when your group FIGHTING then dont stay hidden the whole fight, leeching what rps you can and live through it. If you decide to hide and live, then just go to an easy stop so your group can pick you up when they get back to emain.

-edit- Tdaer is an elf, dont listen to him. those are rare occasions etc.

If your a wiseass and wanna say "i dont do this etc, your post sucks etc." then dont bother posting. this is mostly for those who dont really do what they should in the groups as a stealther. Also for the other people to tell stealthers how to play when they find this situation accure also.

 

[Wuren]

i know what miss trying to say

usually when grouping a shade it turns out like this:

1) grp sets of from ligen
2) when arriving at crim, shade is missing due to hunting a minstrel in gorge.
3) after lots of waiting grp goes to fight in emain and its starts to look like they gonna lose
4) shade stealths away (now this is where it can be different, either they disband without a word and never heard from agn or they say: "ill stay here and scout")
5) grp sets of from ligen, when passing bolg they notice shades hp dropping and he dies close to mid tk and 200 mids blocking the way for a ress.
6) grp arrives at crim with 7 ppl, what now? run back to ligen to get shade and repeat all over? i rather shave eiaals

you turn up with a 7 man grp, rdy for rvr

this is my experience in 90 % of the cases grping with a shade, but there are some really good ones out there (ebonn, gavon ect)

 

[old.Miss]

nerf wuren.

Well, i'll just nerf him... no more groups for you ._.

 

[old.Tdaer]

 

[Wuren]

ok edited my post

Tdaer ze elf

 

[Noche]

Had a bad day eh?

That entire grp got mezzed and ganked leaving shade stealthed mezzed or alone with 7 in ur grp mezzed happens a lot :<

Not usually run from a fight, not interesting.

Still remember a grp where all got mezzed, I killed the caster, survived, grp killed 0, all died. Tell m how can I suicide with em

 

[old.Finster]

i never hesitate for a second to sacrifice on the enemies top CCer (aka you Miss, since Sorusi of albion is gone) or caster. even if things are looking bleak. even if i _know_ i ll die of vengeful groupmates.

i will not decloak in the situation where we re all mezzed and butchered, because i will not accomplish a thing due to instaheals and qc stuns. i will not give away those RP, it s simply against my style.

once again. as long as we re fighting back and dropping with arms in hand i ll always be in the fray, but i will not suicide on players.

Finster, <Nolby Pride>

 

[dexa]

Originally posted by Ebonn



now in this case the stealther has three options,
1) attck the nearest enamy ( suicide, giving the invaders more rps and a good laugh )
2) sneak away and go suicide at one of the tk's or a enamy keep,
3) stay in emain ( or wherever ) and be a spy giving reports of enamy ativity, and wait for random hib group to pick you up on there way back.

i will never do nr 2 see no point, only time i will do 2 is if i am at tk and see no invaders, i rather try killing 1 bc 9 of 10 times u can and if not so be it. Why laugh at me if i die. I laugh more for ex.
finding aussie at dl hitting him and he rans to gards that for me looks more funny and more lame like i care i did not get any rlmps from him when it more fun he ran and die rather then faceing a "gimped shade"

 

[Envenom2]

i thought aussie dont run anymore?

 

[Jozen]

ofcourse u stick and die with grp else its no point grping em >>

 

[Envenom2]

but ns is more useful alive then dead tbh and its true what ebonn said the amount of times i was grouped and mez stealthed was crazy sometimes group would get wiped sometimes not but theres really no point in suiciding on a enemy just because ur group has died.

best thing u can do is head to crim and wait for the group.

heres a good tactic what i used to do anyway as a infil/sb/ns as ur group enters battle u still get abit of bard speed well do this run up to the mage u wanna get and stealth just in front of him then PA works great. saves getting mezed while stealthed too

 

[thebinarysurfer]

My normal tactic on running (literally) into an enemy group of roughly equal number is to hit sprint and turn to move sharply over to the flanks and cover - tree, bush or just out of the current LOS of the enemy group (rangers, like casters - cant withstand a direct beating for long- especially not from tanks).
From there i can usually drop at least 1-2 casters/healers before someone realises i'm there - groups often mistake this for running from the fight though. Most of the smart rangers do this sort of thing - especially where faced with equal or greater numbers.

 

[Envenom2]

thats what guden a hunter i grouped with recently we was only 4 in group and managed to kill a group of 7 without any healer just 2 skalds 1 spiritmaster and a hunter while i was fighting i noticed where he was behind a bush pummeling the casters/healers with arrows looked really good)

i like having hunters/stealthers in my groups adds that little more veriaty instead of bashing all the time

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by dexa


finding aussie at dl hitting him and he rans to gards that for me looks more funny and more lame like i care i did not get any rlmps from him when it more fun he ran and die rather then faceing a "gimped shade"

haahahah like you have ever attacked me alone
definition of 'alone' according to a nightshade

btw, say what you want, tnx for the 250k this week and the hours of work some nightshades have done to find me
hope all aussie/alpha hunters had a pleasent 'RvR' week ;D

 

[Noche]

Sure like yesterday, tnx Aussie

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Miss
lol?
I did not say that everyone should suicide once the group is dead. I said that it is what I usually do with my shade as i hate waiting. (this really dosnt happen often as I try to kill as many as I can unhidden once I have done the PA combo on someone)

It is an option to stay and scout if you live but it can be very fustrating when this "scout" dies when your on your way to emain already and is in a very hard spot to rez or something.

Of course you should do your general job as a stealther, duh? I'm not saying that you should play like a tank class and go gank.

Also this scouting thing, if you feel the need of doing it then plz do. There again im not saying that you shouldn't, please read my post again if you didnt undestand. My point was, when your group FIGHTING then dont stay hidden the whole fight, leeching what rps you can and live through it. If you decide to hide and live, then just go to an easy stop so your group can pick you up when they get back to emain.

-edit- Tdaer is an elf, dont listen to him. those are rare occasions etc.

If your a wiseass and wanna say "i dont do this etc, your post sucks etc." then dont bother posting. this is mostly for those who dont really do what they should in the groups as a stealther. Also for the other people to tell stealthers how to play when they find this situation accure also.

After reading your second post, were you desribe more in detail what you mean I can see your point, and I agree with you. You are adressing stealthers that never stand up for their groups and always hide when "shit hits the fan". From your first post you made it sound like most assassin are a cowereds and RP leacher, but as I hoped you were overreakting a bit .

RvR with mixed goups isn't that easy from the Stealther point of view either. I usually join the melee when encountering inferiour enemy units, but when faced with equal strengh or more I try to make use of my PA to knock out the top CC, caster or help out to knock down a tank fast, and from there on I just melee with the others. Sometimes this can shift the balance in the battle.

What also can happen in some situation is that even before I can reach the main CC or caster the hole group (or groups) I'm in is wiped out, at that point I think it is pointless for me to PA one guy, and most likely go down without even killing my intended target. If I can help my group get unharmed back it is wourth the w8. If you are scouting you should stay out of harms way and only engade enemys when your group is back. You never know who might be stalking around, and your not worth anything to the group dead. I think Finsters reply pretty much sums up what I mean, and I do believe that most people play that way, but I might be wrong...

As to Wuren and the renagade Shade...bah...lol...now I know why I see so few Shades in Emain.

 

[dexa]

well every time i attac u, if its 1 v 1 u run.................
dont worry aussie i understand you and why not its no
shame 2 play smart!

and btw u alb/mids have sooo easy, we stealhers can almost only camp wall-tk

how hard is it to farm dl-crim?

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Envenom2
but ns is more useful alive then dead tbh and its true what ebonn said the amount of times i was grouped and mez stealthed was crazy sometimes group would get wiped sometimes not but theres really no point in suiciding on a enemy just because ur group has died.

for once I agree with spam-man (I don't use emote macros but I was glad I got revenge on you the other day, no spam tho cos I'm better than that ), if emain happens to be busy a ns or two in the area guides forces to where they need to be.
Also a cg where ns can communicate with each other and lay an ambush is good too.
A large number of times I've been in a grp with a ns it's not a loss to us if he's spying and we are technically a man down because we make good use of the info supplied, avoid the dangerous large grps till they split off a bit then pick em off.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Originally posted by Aussie-


haahahah like you have ever attacked me alone
definition of 'alone' according to a nightshade

btw, say what you want, tnx for the 250k this week and the hours of work some nightshades have done to find me
hope all aussie/alpha hunters had a pleasent 'RvR' week ;D

You aint worth the effort of true sighting mate - why bother with you who has IP and a shield when i can drop one of the 1001 infili-newbies camping the gorge without much effort or risk. Farm your rps please - gives our nightshades something to do

Incidentally to 'sudden' and his ligen camp squad - Sorry stealth doesnt work when a walking elf nuke goes off next to you Two words - ha and ha