This has got to stop..

[Alexandrinus]

Some other thoughts:
The RvR zone need to be compressed, near IRvR need to be aviable for all.
The old frontiers were IRvR.
Still remembers the old fights with Alpha, Sst and those ppl. i were having a blast.
Stuff started to change with the "famous" outlaw zergs.

Then ppl started to be caught at MG´s then TOA happened and speedwarps were everywhere and traps caught stealthers at MG´s. etc.

OF only was IRVR for Albs because all zerged e-main, for hibs it was quite a long run.

 

[Kinag]

Kinags original post in this thread has some decent points he lost it after a while though with his ALB Hive mind attitude.

May I ask what you meant by that?

 

[Sharkith]

At the moment we're in an evil circle of some sort, some albs take relics at night, hibs tries to make a point and take theirs back and mids add in to take the second relic.

Kinag,

repped for a post that was best coming from an Alb player. I disagree with Luz even though he is a guildy. I also disagree that banning and chucking people out of alliances is the constructive way to go here. All it will do is isolate and destroy any hope of a resolution. What we need to proper communication between adults. This is our server all of us and we simply need to find a way to make it a good place to play.

The answer though must first come from Albion as a realm and the solution has to include the AC'ers if they want to be included. I hope you guys can have a decent debate about this and reach some constructive response.

If the AC'ers don't want to be included or continue to behave like juveniles then here is action I suggest that some guilds and alliances can take:

a) those people who hold towers and keeps where Ac'ed relics are held to drop them to level 1 and allow them to be retaken. That way a single guild can act to defend the integrity of the whole realm and it can also act to protect that realm from double temaing like we are witnessing now. This goes for any realm where this activity happens.

The idea is not to ban relic raids but to try and encourage them to be undertaken in a positive and inclusive way.

What the minority of people have done is effectively galvanise two realms against one because it was lame. Relic raids are a good thing - one of the best things in this game but it is something that the majority like to participate in. We just want the chance to be there.

To the late night players: think about what your doing to your own realm. Start talking in a meaningful way about this and stop slinging mud. Think carefully about your actions and try to talk positively about things otherwise more pain is on its way as the rest of the server continues to make its point.

 

[Darzil]

1FG albs could have held erasleigh. but choosed not to. 2 albs came to defend, which 1 sb and 1 warr disposed of.

Because they were trying to defend Beno, I'm guessing, against superior numbers of Hibs.

The spiral of death at the moment is the frontiers.
The mere design of the RvR zone makes people cry for IRvR.
Albion keeps crying out loud for IRvR and when they get it they make their megazergs, which mere aura is sucking the life energy out of ppl´s will to play.

I've been zerged by the other realms too, especially Mid. I prefer siege and roaming RvR to iRVR, personally.

People are leaving the friggin game left and right. I have heard "whats the use" as one of the expressed feelings.
Whats the use to work you arse off capping a keep fighting for hours to acomplish it. Spending hours on transporting/summoning wood and repairing doors/walls etc. When its going to be retaken during the night within an hour by some lame PvE freaks.

Or indeed (some people's perception) by being ganged up on by Hibgard. Or taken during the working day. It's very difficult to get people to repair/transport/summon wood, mostly because people prefer getting lots of RPs from fun stuff, rather than a few from boring stuff. Having said that, my Armourcrafter has 1000+ woodworking so I do it.

What is going to happen now is ALB is going GREEN and BLUE and it is going to keep happening til alb keep playing fair. I dont think MId and Hib are gonna help eachother out in anyway. but relics are going to change hands thats for shure.

Ok, let me know when I can face a fair fight again, I guess I'm bending over and not having fun til then.

I dont really understand it. Alb is 2/5 of the entire server if not slightly more.

I can't see the figures from work, but I've not seen them over 40% yet. They also have a higher than average set of PvE only people, as they have some very good PvE classes. Depends if you're looking at total population or RvR population.

Have the best keep sieging and defence classes ingame, hello Heretics and multiple Foolsbow able classes. and boltrangemezzers.

Heretics are handy against Mids. Hibs tend to just stun the monsters and nuke them down. Alb only has one Foolsbow class, same as the others (only scouts can get any artifact bow). Bolt range mezz makes much more difference in open field than siege. I'd class caoe through walls and shrooms as better than Heretics in siege

No realm can stop alb if they really tried raiding primetime. But relics keep getting capped nighttime?

I've not seen many, but the raids I've been on into Hib in primetime have ended when we returned to defend Albion against the Mids.

Darzil

 

[Arethir]

I dont really understand it. Alb is 2/5 of the entire server if not slightly more.
Have the best keep sieging and defence classes ingame, hello Heretics and multiple Foolsbow able classes. and boltrangemezzers.
No realm can stop alb if they really tried raiding primetime. But relics keep getting capped nighttime?

Ehh, right.

As if boltrangemezz is gonna keep mids from insta aoe stun + insta 5 WL bomb drops wiping an entire zerg within seconds. And what about bainshees coning trough every wall inside the keep and shrooms filling up around every corner you get, keeping you from getting anywhere or moving anywhere, aswell as all the casters having stun to lock you down.

And since when did albs get 2/5 of the server population? Where you finding these numbers? According to goa's sites, these are the stats:
A: 1422
H: 1223
M: 1226
That's 36.7% of server population on alb, slightly over 1/3.

There's a couple reasons i don't attend primetime relic raids on alb:
1. They're mostly very poorly organized and people don't listen to the leader.
2. Attack hib. There's simply no way we can get into a shroomed up lords room with bainshees coning trough all the walls and casters chain-stunning everything that puts it's face out, if there are equal ammount of attackers/defenders.
3. Attack mid. Get wiped within seconds when the leet bomb group arrives with DI's, MoC's, purge3, 2-3 insta aoe stun and 5-6 WL bombers with BL's, aswell as the mid zerg hanging about maybe dropping a TWF or whatever.
4. I don't like relics changing hands very much. Ofc it's fun to have extra dmg and heals, but when enemies have it, it's booring.
5. They take to long and get booring.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Kinag,

repped for a post that was best coming from an Alb player. I disagree with Luz even though he is a guildy. I also disagree that banning and chucking people out of alliances is the constructive way to go here. All it will do is isolate and destroy any hope of a resolution. What we need to proper communication between adults. This is our server all of us and we simply need to find a way to make it a good place to play.

The answer though must first come from Albion as a realm and the solution has to include the AC'ers if they want to be included. I hope you guys can have a decent debate about this and reach some constructive response.

If the AC'ers don't want to be included or continue to behave like juveniles then here is action I suggest that some guilds and alliances can take:

a) those people who hold towers and keeps where Ac'ed relics are held to drop them to level 1 and allow them to be retaken. That way a single guild can act to defend the integrity of the whole realm and it can also act to protect that realm from double temaing like we are witnessing now. This goes for any realm where this activity happens.

The idea is not to ban relic raids but to try and encourage them to be undertaken in a positive and inclusive way.

What the minority of people have done is effectively galvanise two realms against one because it was lame. Relic raids are a good thing - one of the best things in this game but it is something that the majority like to participate in. We just want the chance to be there.

To the late night players: think about what your doing to your own realm. Start talking in a meaningful way about this and stop slinging mud. Think carefully about your actions and try to talk positively about things otherwise more pain is on its way as the rest of the server continues to make its point.

Hear hear.

 

[knighthood]

Yawn... Lets make even more threads that wont change a thing..

Wanna change it, email mythic and ask them to delete relics..

 

[>.< Pooned]

Kinag,

repped for a post that was best coming from an Alb player. I disagree with Luz even though he is a guildy. I also disagree that banning and chucking people out of alliances is the constructive way to go here. All it will do is isolate and destroy any hope of a resolution. What we need to proper communication between adults. This is our server all of us and we simply need to find a way to make it a good place to play.

The answer though must first come from Albion as a realm and the solution has to include the AC'ers if they want to be included. I hope you guys can have a decent debate about this and reach some constructive response.

If the AC'ers don't want to be included or continue to behave like juveniles then here is action I suggest that some guilds and alliances can take:

a) those people who hold towers and keeps where Ac'ed relics are held to drop them to level 1 and allow them to be retaken. That way a single guild can act to defend the integrity of the whole realm and it can also act to protect that realm from double temaing like we are witnessing now. This goes for any realm where this activity happens.

The idea is not to ban relic raids but to try and encourage them to be undertaken in a positive and inclusive way.

What the minority of people have done is effectively galvanise two realms against one because it was lame. Relic raids are a good thing - one of the best things in this game but it is something that the majority like to participate in. We just want the chance to be there.

To the late night players: think about what your doing to your own realm. Start talking in a meaningful way about this and stop slinging mud. Think carefully about your actions and try to talk positively about things otherwise more pain is on its way as the rest of the server continues to make its point.

 

[evzy]

Not that I care either way anyway but who are you to decide how other people play who don't play at the popular times - I work shifts, have a life outside my PC and the only time I generally play is when the wife is in bed or when I get in late for a wind-down... why should I not be allowed to go take a relic or whatever? I pay exactly the same amount to play this as the rest of you so therefore I will do what I want - I reckon thats the easiest way to look at this.

Its the same with people wanting fg v fg or solo areas - I think that ruins the game more than the odd late night relic take because it diverts actual players into an exclusive area which detracts from RvR for everyone else due to lower numbers etc...but if thats what they want to do I can't stop them just because I dont like it...the difference being wiht relics - if you don't like it - go take them back with your popular play times and millions of players... if you can't...well its tough I wouldnt moan about people taking relics when I am not online at 7pm because I have no right to...

~edit~
and before you start moaning - I have never been on a late night relic raid in my life...

 

[Sharkith]

Not that I care either way anyway but who are you to decide how other people play who don't play at the popular times - I work shifts, have a life outside my PC and the only time I generally play is when the wife is in bed or when I get in late for a wind-down... why should I not be allowed to go take a relic or whatever? I pay exactly the same amount to play this as the rest of you so therefore I will do what I want - I reckon thats the easiest way to look at this.

Its the same with people wanting fg v fg or solo areas - I think that ruins the game more than the odd late night relic take because it diverts actual players into an exclusive area which detracts from RvR for everyone else due to lower numbers etc...but if thats what they want to do I can't stop them just because I dont like it...the difference being wiht relics - if you don't like it - go take them back with your popular play times and millions of players... if you can't...well its tough I wouldnt moan about people taking relics when I am not online at 7pm because I have no right to...

~edit~
and before you start moaning - I have never been on a late night relic raid in my life...

So how would you improve life on the server?

 

[Gahn]

This mean you won't take the albion relics, only the relics that belong to your realm?

Ofc i stated many times in Bu don't take albs relics just ours, but u know, apart the ML raiders in Alb, rest was packed in Hurb waiting us ... So it was wise to open more than one front to worry about for Albs.
That said am pretty sure u can understand y it's been done that way

 

[Kinag]

Not that I care either way anyway but who are you to decide how other people play who don't play at the popular times - I work shifts, have a life outside my PC and the only time I generally play is when the wife is in bed or when I get in late for a wind-down... why should I not be allowed to go take a relic or whatever? I pay exactly the same amount to play this as the rest of you so therefore I will do what I want - I reckon thats the easiest way to look at this.

Its the same with people wanting fg v fg or solo areas - I think that ruins the game more than the odd late night relic take because it diverts actual players into an exclusive area which detracts from RvR for everyone else due to lower numbers etc...but if thats what they want to do I can't stop them just because I dont like it...the difference being wiht relics - if you don't like it - go take them back with your popular play times and millions of players... if you can't...well its tough I wouldnt moan about people taking relics when I am not online at 7pm because I have no right to...

~edit~
and before you start moaning - I have never been on a late night relic raid in my life...

I won't dictate how people play, but if they're so keen on doing relic raids, do it when everyone can be a part of it.

Doing late night relic raids will make the enviroment (and community) on the cluster unpleasant, as well as make rvr a tad unbalanced.

I'm sure that if we put our minds together and actually listened to what the bg leader has to say, we can probably pull off a good raid towards hibs at primetime, yet they prefer to take relics late at night, and no it's probably not because they're bored, they just love to get the attention.

 

[Sharkith]

they just love to get the attention.

the solution? Drop the relic keep and associated towers to 1 and don't defend - all they get then is laughed at for getting up early to do something totally pointless.

There is a solution here and it is not hard.

When relics change hands in those mass events it is bloody good fun. We need to include people who have odd shift patterns in them and we need to agree that mass events can run on to whatever time. In fact we should run them at times when they can run on - I loved playing to 4am just because the event was so cool.

When relics change hands on such occssions defend your prize to the death of course. Even if they alarm clock it back - who cares the event got everyone a bit of decent gaming for a night and we can get on with ignoring them.

I don't know what else I can suggest to help.

 

[evzy]

I think relic raids don't have any impact truthfully on the game in so much as people won't log on , see a relic has gone and log off again. As I said before - people who splinter off for fg or solo action have more bearing on day to day rvr than who has a relic.. There is probably no solution, everyone has a right to play how they want... The only thing I always wonder if it would work would be a massive joining of multiple guilds into one biig rvr monster - instead of logging on to find 4 guildies and a couple of people in your alliance and trying to get a group going - imagine a guild of a large portion of all albs/mids etc - you would be able ot find rvr / pve groups so much quicker - i dont care what anyone says but its always easier to get a group and have a chat on /gu than /as... Also what if every non lvl 50 toons all joined a giant pre 50 guild - wouldnt life be soo much better if everyone could ask in /gu who fancys a group tonight etc - would also be more welcoming for new players as there would be more chance of finding assistance via /gu then having to /send XXX all the time..

But hey thats my utopian view where we all live in harmony and we all get along, I appreciate you would have people in /gu who player A doesnt like because of reason X but if we all grew up and got on with enjoying ourselves it would be a glorious thing...

Vote me for teh leader imo !!!

 

[Collateral]

hehe, so funny what has happened the last 2 days on fh^^.
best argument ever: people from one realm suck more then people form another realm - lol

the game is quite old now, no realm was defeated yet and no realm has a significant disadvantage.
relics will also be raided in the future...its a game. btw, on every other server i know, relics are raided at least 3 times more in comparison to the uk cluster.

albs are all kids and the rest is whatever...:kissit:

this sounds so damn retarded. behave like adults^^

 

[evzy]

So Alb won DAOC?

 

[Arkian]

So Alb won DAOC?

If it would stop the late nighters, then yes, gratz have one on me