Theug pets - how to counter them...

[Korax]

Well.. what the f*** are we supposed to do?
Killing\holding theug interupted is one way to do it, but what can you do when the pets are out?

One thing is moc pbae or pbae from someone who isnt being interupted. I just read that the pets cant be CC'ed... Is that right?

My tactic as a warden is to dedicate my time to interupt the theug (6 weap spec 4tehwin).

And in what way weren't 30 sec enough? Why double? why not something in between? 45 sec should be plenty eh?

The fact that they are 2000 range don't make it a whole lot better. :\

 

[capo]

bard spell confuse used to do wonders vs theurg pets back in the days, don't know it it still does the same tho (it insta killed em in early days).

 

[Korax]

bard spell confuse used to do wonders vs theurg pets back in the days, don't know it it still does the same tho (it insta killed em in early days).

I have a feeling that has changed :touch:

 

[living]

they are weak.. any tank can pretty much 2hit em :> well.. any savage :>

 

[Korax]

they are weak.. any tank can pretty much 2hit em :> well.. any savage :>

Any savage with 2x quad?
So say 8 hits for an average tank then, and say 2 pets on every one who cast spells (in a mage grp thats 7ish) so 14 pets and 8 hits oh each is 112 hits. Piece o cake xD

 

[GReaper]

3 pbaoe chars should have no problem. A quickcast pbaoe from all 3 should destroy pets easily.

 

[Fana]

Take a shield/guard in your group. A skilled guard can shift to the one that needs it most atm. I have two rvr active characters: a warrior and a healer - when i play healer i curse the constant lack of a warrior to guard me against those pesky pets, and when i play a warrior i dont get groups because "warriors dont have enough dmg output" or some such. Imo every healer/caster should lobby hard for a warrior in their group, or maybe im the only one that finds the ability to actually cast my spells (without using moc) usefull ^^

 

[Asty]

3 pbaoe chars should have no problem. A quickcast pbaoe from all 3 should destroy pets easily.

considering the theurg isn't free and casting more pets

 

[katt!]

considering the theurg isn't free and casting more pets

or using icepets ~~

 

[Gaudd]

Ive duelled an ice theurg against an unbuffed s&s armsman, yes the ice pets do decent damage now but the armsman could kill the pets in 3 swings, bearing in mind air pets are summoned on the spot so are next to impossible to buff in any way as long as a group is paying attention they should be a lot easier to deal with than a chanter or sm pet for example.
Only earth pets have had their summon duration and movement speed increased but to compensate they have had their hitpoints reduced making them even easier to kill.

The official notes for those who havent had time to read them yet :

Theurgist

- Increased range of Confusing Gust line to 1500. This is a bug fix. (ae mez range was stupidly short before the patch)

- Added new earth summon spells in the Theurgist Abrasion list at levels 40 and 48. (highest pre patch pet was level 32)

- Added new ice summon spells in the Theurgist Refrigeration list at levels 32, 40, and 48. (highest pet was level 25)

- Reduced the hitpoints on earth elementals, but increased the duration of their summon from 30 to 60 seconds. Their offensive bonus and run speed increases with higher spec.

- Spells cast by Theurgist ice elementals have been tuned to cast faster, do more damage, and scale appropriately with level to help deal with resists.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Well.. what the f*** are we supposed to do?

Whine less?

 

[snoz]

bard spell confuse used to do wonders vs theurg pets back in the days, don't know it it still does the same tho (it insta killed em in early days).

Still works as far as i know and am told ofcourse midgard group would need to run RM for confuse and thats not happening

 

[Glacier]

Still works as far as i know and am told ofcourse midgard group would need to run RM for confuse and thats not happening

yes, god forbid someone ran a non savagetrain group <- whine

 

[Driwen]

yes, god forbid someone ran a non savagetrain group <- whine

the only runnie with confusion, would be one with suppresion and as suppresion is mostly specced for PBT (which is useless against caster groups and against assist trains) no one really has that spec in RvR. So even if you would get a runnie in your group it would most likely be a darkcarver (means no supp spec).

 

[Umilard]

Try killing the theurgist!

 

[old.windforce]

pets live after theurg dies

full res and spam some more

 

[Ctuchik]

- Spells cast by Theurgist ice elementals have been tuned to cast faster, do more damage, and scale appropriately with level to help deal with resists.

so a ice theurgs pets gets a boost in damage coz of idiot resists but every other caster's DD's is unchanged?? thats pretty fucked up imo...

 

[pixie.pebr]

so a ice theurgs pets gets a boost in damage coz of idiot resists but every other caster's DD's is unchanged?? thats pretty fucked up imo...

Quote: - Added new ice summon spells in the Theurgist Refrigeration list at levels 32, 40, and 48. (highest pet was level 25)

I have a feeling that if they found a bug where Runemasters where capped at level 25 and could never reach 50, they would fix that too

 

[Flimgoblin]

so a ice theurgs pets gets a boost in damage coz of idiot resists but every other caster's DD's is unchanged?? thats pretty fucked up imo...

they mean outright spell resists - the ice pets were using level 25 spells

 

[Korax]

Still works as far as i know and am told ofcourse midgard group would need to run RM for confuse and thats not happening

Really? Thats just the answer I was looking for when making this thread tbh.

Anyway, can anyone that know how this work confirm?

Whine less?

If you read the rest of my post it obviously was ment as a tactic thread.

 

[Retrakith]

Now don't whine, make a thread on how to kill BDs

 

[remi]

1 shot the pets...even skalds do it now!

 

[Glacier]

the only runnie with confusion, would be one with suppresion and as suppresion is mostly specced for PBT (which is useless against caster groups and against assist trains) no one really has that spec in RvR. So even if you would get a runnie in your group it would most likely be a darkcarver (means no supp spec).

People spec supp for other reasons than PBT, the Nearsight will totally destroy a cc class and casters, while doing singeltarget snare dd on assist nuking in caster groups, or adding ae snare to pbae bunches.

 

[Kami]

Nearsight is hilarious, you KNOW you've pissed them off and they'll spend the next 2 mins cursing you if they live that long

 

[Driwen]

People spec supp for other reasons than PBT, the Nearsight will totally destroy a cc class and casters, while doing singeltarget snare dd on assist nuking in caster groups, or adding ae snare to pbae bunches.

usually better off with a darkcarver (more damage) and ofc pbt isnt the only trick, but snare doesnt work when you used root and nearsight is nice, but you must be alive to cast it.
A runnie is never a really good choice, except in keep fights when it is a darkcarver you want as casters have low af and low hp. So you dont want them unless they serve a purpose. PBAoE group works, but you need a shaman/2healers/2 sms/war/skald, which means 7 people and another sm or warrior would be better. So for a good setup there is no place for a runnie, off course you could run with a lesser setup, but doesnt change the fact that runnies are rare and them getting groups aswell.

Also can the snare on the snare DD be broken?

edit: or Kami they purge it and you cant cast it on them again.

 

[Elendar]

1 shot the pets...even skalds do it now!

skalds > you froler
like the h0e says, even i can one shot theurg pets now

 

[SilverHood]

now people, the easiest way for midgard groups to solve the theurg problem is to run with a slam thane in your group

he can guard your caster / healer ass, interupt the Theurg with his instas, and nuke him (causing more interuptions) while he's busy going for easy targets.

Can't believe no one has thought of this

 

[chretien]

now people, the easiest way for midgard groups to solve the theurg problem is to run with a slam thane in your group

he can guard your caster / healer ass, interupt the Theurg with his instas, and nuke him (causing more interuptions) while he's busy going for easy targets.

Can't believe no one has thought of this

Totally. Something to bear in mind is that cloth casters from any realm have some pretty sick abilities which is why they have cloth armour and crappy hit points to counter it. If you leave any cloth caster alone he can pretty much mess up your group. PBT/guard/bof etc has no effect on dots, confuse, or just plain old nuking. Just means you'll need to start recruiting your groups from a wider pool of characters than before which is as good for Mid as it is for the other realms.

 

[Glacier]

ah well, atleast in toa one of the MA abilities is to scare the shit out of the pets from enemy realms, make em stop chasing etc

 

[Chilly]

ahhhhh, FINALLY an alb class to be properly feared