There are some Evil Fuckers in this world

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~YuckFou~

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I asked BODHI if he was a veggie cus he seemed annoyed that cats kill animals. If he is a veggie then at least he is consistant. If he isn't then he has double standards.

BTW I don't condone cats killing, our last cat was huge and a very good hunter. He stayed out all night every night, being black was his downfall in the end, cars are harder than cats Our current cat is not huge and not good at hunting, and we bring him in before dusk and let him out well after sunrise. I think that these are prime hunting times, particularly for birds.

We have noticed a marked increase in the number of birds in our garden which is nice, and also a marked decrease in the number of slugs/snails, which is also nice for all the pretty flowers :)

Cats can be kept in the house all the time, quite happily. The breeders even make chicken wire type enclosures around their gardens. This is to protect their investments though not the birdies.



Another point was that afaik in the eyes of the law an air weapon is a firearm. Call the police SG.



(edited so that it makes sense:rolleyes: )
 
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Trem

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It was Bodhi who was annoyed that cats kill birds yuck, I said nowt about that(just a reply to bodhi's comment). I used to be veggie but I aren't now.
 
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Trem

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I've just read my posts to be sure yuck, and it reads like I'm sticking up for the cats tbh.
 
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*Kornholio*

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You can't compare cats hunting birds to nob-headed brats shooting cats... one is instinct, the other is just plain retarded...
 
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~YuckFou~

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its soooo hot my brain is melting.
I've posted at least 10 times today, I think thats a personal record, aye aer teh 5pamm0r.
 
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old.{PxRx}Apophis

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Throdgrain, if you were to seriously injure me because I had killed your pet I wouldn't need god's help - I'd have the law to protect me. We all like to feel that we have the law to protect us from bad people and you want the law to help Gray and get the perps who killed his cat, but sod the law when it comes to getting revenge, right?

And yes, I live in a decent area in Leeds, but close enough to a nasty estate to know what "bad" people are like. I get mad everytime someone tries to nick my wheels, break into my garage, etc. I get mad for a while but I'm able to put it into perspective. Which doesn't mean I think perps should be "treated" at the taxpayers expense. I've been paying tax for about half my life and would much rather it was spent on imprisoning people. My computer room is cosy, however :)

All of that said, I do still sympathise with what you said too, I have a pet and would be pretty uncontrollable if someone was cruel to her. But I'm damn sure I wouldn't actually cause anyone any serious harm. Who would have won if I end up in prison?

I actually have a pet rabbit. How many times do you think I've heard the same shit about boiling rabbits, how much meat is on that, casseroles, rabbit pie, etc. For fucks sake, this is my fucking pet and I care a great deal about her, how do you think that makes me feel? In fact, I'm bracing myself for the inevitable jokes on this forum but if I were making jokes about skinning cats and chopping up dogs then I'd be compared to the sick twat who shot poor Gray's cat. Just because she's a rabbit, it's ok to joke about being cruel to her. Apparently :rolleyes:

Kornholio, you're right, I hope you didn't think that I was suggesting that what cats do is the same as what these idiots did. That would be a childish point of view. Cats are cats, they can't help it.

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Sar

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If I found you shooting any pet of mine I'd strip you nekkid, tie your hands behind your back and start taking pot shots at your nads.

And some at your head for good measure.
 
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throdgrain

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You have the law to protect you ?? Hoho, like super Gray and his cat does I suppose.
You're missing the point Im making i think, the point everyone else is getting. There really isnt much law available any more. Yeah if you kill someone the Police have a very good clear up rate. i recall a freind of mine years ago getting involved in a heavyweight fight, well attack really, where someone died. They caught him (he was subsequently aquitted) very fast indeed. But a 15 year old chucking stones through an old ladies windows ? A gang of kids stabbing another kid ? (Ring any bells ?) The kids just get away with it time after time. random cruelty to someones beloved pet ? Are you fucking kidding me ? The old bill wouldnt even get up out of the chair till like 10 cats die.
I really dont want to argue with you, but you're mistaken if you think "the law" is there to protect all and sundry, because its not.
 
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*Exor*

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Shoot at my cat and I'd fucking break you. You can throw any law bullshit at me you want. I would fucking break you.
 
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~YuckFou~

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Originally posted by throdgrain
You have the law to protect you ?? Hoho, like super Gray and his cat does I suppose.
You're missing the point Im making i think, the point everyone else is getting. There really isnt much law available any more. Yeah if you kill someone the Police have a very good clear up rate. i recall a freind of mine years ago getting involved in a heavyweight fight, well attack really, where someone died. They caught him (he was subsequently aquitted) very fast indeed. But a 15 year old chucking stones through an old ladies windows ? A gang of kids stabbing another kid ? (Ring any bells ?) The kids just get away with it time after time. random cruelty to someones beloved pet ? Are you fucking kidding me ? The old bill wouldnt even get up out of the chair till like 10 cats die.
I really dont want to argue with you, but you're mistaken if you think "the law" is there to protect all and sundry, because its not.
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Agreed, however..
If the police are not informed they will not know there is a problem. We get twats on off road motornikes in the field behind us. Everytime they arrive I call the cops. They have never yet got here before the bikers have got bored and gone home. I keep calling because eventually something will be done, because they know there is a problem.

.........bit kick the shit out of the fuckers as well of course :)
 
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Trem

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Exactly, I would be uncontrollable if anyone touched either of my dogs, I have a bad temper at the best of times but it usually last about ten seconds, I'm sure my temper wouldn't subside until whoever touched my pets was dealt with. I may be strange, but I love my doggy's with every bone in my body, you touch one of them and me and a couple of mates are gonna jump on your head(I would do the time), this isn't macho bullshit talking, its someone talking who loves his dogs.
 
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Trem

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Originally posted by ~YuckFou~
I asked BODHI if he was a veggie cus he seemed annoyed that cats kill animals. If he is a veggie then at least he is consistant. If he isn't then he has double standards.

BTW I don't condone cats killing, our last cat was huge and a very good hunter. He stayed out all night every night, being black was his downfall in the end, cars are harder than cats Our current cat is not huge and not good at hunting, and we bring him in before dusk and let him out well after sunrise. I think that these are prime hunting times, particularly for birds.

We have noticed a marked increase in the number of birds in our garden which is nice, and also a marked decrease in the number of slugs/snails, which is also nice for all the pretty flowers :)

Cats can be kept in the house all the time, quite happily. The breeders even make chicken wire type enclosures around their gardens. This is to protect their investments though not the birdies.



Another point was that afaik in the eyes of the law an air weapon is a firearm. Call the police SG.



(edited so that it makes sense:rolleyes: )
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Ahhhhh you pressed the wrong quote then matey, you quoted me asking if I was a veggie.
 
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throdgrain

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Im the same Trem. I like my dog a FUCKING sight better than I like most people. I would not tolerate anyone harming my dog any more than I would tolerate anyone harming a member of my family.
Having said that, the little cunts in this case have done it and poor ol Gray doesnt know who they are. Thats the most awful thing to me.
 
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Trem

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I'm getting the feeling he has a good idea who it is though, let us know Gray matey.
 
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old.{PxRx}Apophis

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Yeah, throdgrain, I'd say I liked my pet better than most people too. Nothing unusual or strange about that :)

I'm well aware that the law is pretty useless at the best of times as are the cops. We've reported loadsa stuff round our area and we get very little response tbh. We're not really arguing because I agree the police wouldn't really care until several cats in the same area were killed. They'd damn well care if you went and beat the crap out of the perp though right?

The point I was trying to make, which may well be fairytale, is that as a society we can't go around kicking the crap out of each other for every wrong we suffer. We just have to accept that there are sick, evil people in the world and just try our hardest to get them dealt with LEGALLY.

Can you really imagine a world where people were allowed to take whatever actions they thought appropriate whenever they felt like it? Can you imagine a true anarchy? The eye-for-an-eye attitude is plain to see in Israel at the moment. That's what happens when society breaks down and it becomes normal to take revenge.

All a bit heavy I suppose considering what this thread is about so I'll shut up now. :)

Exor, I have no intention of hurting your cat. I'd watch that aggression too if I were you. Try reading the posts and understanding what peeps are trying to say.

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*charlton_thd*

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Fox Cubs are playing on our garden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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S-Gray

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Hmm, should be installing a Security Cam soon (Saturday supposedly) so if the bastards come back, we can put a face on their evil.
 
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Trem

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Originally posted by CharltonTHD mk2
Fox Cubs are playing on our garden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Until some little prick shoots them!!
 
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old.{PxRx}Apophis

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I know it's a bit early to think seriously about getting another cat super-gray, but there are loads of gorgeous, loving cats in rescue centres all around the country.

Be positive about it, you can give a home to one of those soon :)

And to do a bit of promotion, why don't all you guys start giving some money to the RSPCA every month? They really pester you once you start but they ARE trying to stop shit like this happening and they're always short of readies. Just a couple of quid a month isn't much is it...

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Damini

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I'm so very brain dead that I can't think to construct my sentences well, so I've utilised my cut and paste skills to put across my thoughts.

People that are being cruel to animals need to be caught and prosecuted, and yes, maybe even put on the psychological treadmill, because its an established fact that cruelty to animals can be symptomatic of, or a progression towards, a psychotic personality.

FIRST CUT N PASTE

When 15-year old Kip Kinkel opened fire on his Springfield, Oregon classmates last year, killing one classmate and injuring 23 others, it was not the first time he had killed. Kinkel was known for cutting off the heads of cats and mounting them on sticks.
Russell Eugene Weston, Jr., charged with gunning down two policemen at the U.S. Capitol in July, had picked up a shotgun and killed a dozen cats in his hometown the previous day.

Violence in our society is disturbingly common. The news abounds with horror stories like these involving acts of cruelty to both people and animals. Recent studies on the anatomy of cruelty cases show a clear connection between acts of animal cruelty and crimes against people.
Many of the country's most notorious serial killers -- Ted Bundy, David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz and Jeffrey Dahmer have childhood histories of repeated animal cruelty. Most professionals agree that animal abuse is not just the result of a personality flaw in the abuser, but a symptom of a deeply disturbed family. A person who hurts an animal generally feels powerless and vents their frustration on animals who can't defend themselves.

The FBI began to see a connection between cruelty to animals and other violent behavior in the late 1970s, according to Special Agent Alan Brantley, who works in the bureau's behavioral science unit. They conducted a study of serial killers and found that most had killed or tortured animal as children or adolescents. Agent Brantley reports "This [animal cruelty] is not a harmless venting of emotion in a healthy individual; this is a warning sign that this individual...needs some sort of intervention."

2nd CUT AND PASTE (from
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Serial Killers, School Shootings and Youth Crimes

School Shootings

Brenda Spencer, a 16 year-old school girl, killed two children and wounded 8 at a San Diego elementary school in 1979. She had abused dogs and cats, often by setting their tails on fire.

Mark Lepine shot 14 women at Laval University. He slaughtered pigeons.

Luke Woodham stabbed his mother and killed two school children in Pearl, Mississippi. A diary entry stated: "I killed for the first time - the victim is a loved one - my dear dog Sparkle. He howled - it sounded almost like him. We hit it more (boys will be boys)."

Jason Massey shot a girl, disemboweled her and her head and hands were missing. He claims to have killed 37 cats, 29 dogs and 6 cows.

Andrew Golden shot children at school. He shot his own dog which was in the hospital the week before the school shooting. He routinely shot dogs.

Kip Kinkeo shot 25 classmates and killed several in Sprinkle, Oregon. He killed his father and mother. He said he blew up a cow once. His classmates rated him as "Most Likely to Start WWIII".

Chad Lamanski one of three boys who bludgeoned 18 cats to death at Noah's Ark sanctuary in Iowa.

Serial Killers

Albert DeSalvo (the Boston Strangler) killed 13 women. In his youth he trapped dogs and cats in orange crates and shot arrows through the boxes.

Theodore Bundy executed for multiple murders. He claimed he spent early years with a grandfather who tormented animals. Evidence linked him to graves filled with animals bones.

Paul Bernardo raped and tortured victims. He cooked and ate his wife's pet iguana.

Mark Lepine shot 14 women at Laval University. He slaughtered pigeons.

Jeffrey Dahmer staked cats to trees and decapitated dogs.

Keith Hunter Jesperson (Happy Face Killer) strangled eight women. He bashed gopher heads, beat, strangled and shot stray cats and dogs. "You're actually squeezing the life out of these animals." "Choking a human being or a cat - it's the same feeling." "I'm the very end result of what happens when somebody kills an animal at an early age."

Richard Trenton Chase killed women. He was caught with a bucket of blood which he claimed was cow's blood and he was released. Later, a blender and stew pots with animal parts, as well as hundreds of leashes were found.

Henry Lee Lucas he was implicated in 30 murders and claimed to have killed 300 people. As a child, he killed every cat on his parent's farm.

David Berkowitz killed 13 people. He killed his neighbour's Labrador retriever.

Jason Massey shot a girl, disemboweled her and her head and hands were missing. He claims to have killed 37 cats, 29 dogs and 6 cows.

Carroll Edward Cole - reputed to be one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history - convicted for 5 of 35 murders accused. He confessed his first act of violence was to strangle a puppy under the porch of his house.

Patrick Sherrill (the Oklahoma Mail Carrier) shot 14 co-workers and himself in 1986. He had stolen neighbourhood pets, tied them with baling wire and goaded his own dog to mutilate them.

Robert Alton Harris murdered two 16 year old boys, doused a neighbour with lighter fluid and tossed matches at him. His initial run-in with police was for killing neighbourhood cats.

James Huberty killed 21 children and adults at a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidra, California. He had shot his neighbour's dog with an air gun.

Michael Cartier shot Kristine Lardner twice and himself. He broke the legs of a cat he gave her, threw it through a second storey window and was charged with animal abuse, but not convicted. He would have been in jail, if convicted, when he killed Kristine. He ripped the legs off a rabbit when he was a child.







If anyone wants to nit pick I can throw source after source at this argument. These are just the first two sites I can up with on Google. I'm not saying that ALL people that are cruel to animals are cruel to humans, but there is a very strong link and that's yet another reason why these things need to be taken very seriously.


So can these people using poor Grays cat dying as an excuse to spout their narcissitic theorising either be a bit more understanding about whats happened to Gray or put even more perspective on it than the shallow cats kill birds argument.


I'm very sorry Gray. Have you managed to speak to the police about it yet?

Also, maybe go over in person to these kids house. In an innocent way, warn their parents "Just as you are warning everyone in the neighbourhood" that some sick people shot and killed your pet. "Just so they can keep their pets indoors". If the parents aren't as evil as the sons, and they know their kids have an air rifle, chances are they'll put two and two together much the same as you. Ask them for their help, and in no way incrimanate their children, and see what happens.

Whilst I would react violently if i saw anyone hurting ANY animal, and I've got in scraps before over it, your best move now is an intelligent one in my opinion. Otherwise the police may ignore it all as tit for tatt arguing, rather than what it really was; killing your pet out of pure malice.
 
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S-Gray

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Aye, in a way to tell the Parents and Everyone in my Area, im thinking about creating a little poster telling them what happened, and post it thru their postbox (in my area) and ask for their help if they know anything
 
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Damini

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If you really suspect it is these kids, speak to the parents in person if they are civil. Nothing beats eye to eye when you are asking for help. But the poster is a good idea as well.
 
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*charlton_thd*

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why are some people so cruel aunty damini???
 
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S-Gray

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Another reason why we Suspect em, is coz my Mum had a walk round to see what these where up too, so anyway, she went on the field and seen the guys on a Motorbike riding round like lunatics, and this guy had a go at em, they soon scooted off, then their mum come out, and had a go at the fella, so do they sound "civil"?
 
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Damini

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Awww Charlton. Some people are just broken. And you don't play with the broken ones because you'll hurt yourself on the sharp edges.
 
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Damini

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You can try Gray. People that are arseholes to people quite often draw the line at being arseholes to animals.
 
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