The way jail should be
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It really depends how a prison should be, if you just want to punish them maybe it should be like that. But if the line is to rehabilitate the people who have committed crimes so that they may end up not doing it again that sure is not the line to go.
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I don't think its inhumane, just not comfortable, which it shouln't be because the inmates are not on holiday...
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Well. The heat (for a Fin who loves sauna 
) isn't bad, nor is the 50 cent meals since i don't work atm and it's the usual cost of my my daily food. If even so much.
It's not TOO bad, but we could make sure he doesn't go overboard with the whole chaingang. And that deaths stay at a 0.
If people start dying, then it's wrong.
And i think loss of freedom is punishment enough anyway. Only thing i care about really.
And, i DO hope no innocents get locked there. Well, since 10.000 innocent people get locked up every month in the US...dumdidum...
) isn't bad, nor is the 50 cent meals since i don't work atm and it's the usual cost of my my daily food. If even so much.It's not TOO bad, but we could make sure he doesn't go overboard with the whole chaingang. And that deaths stay at a 0.
If people start dying, then it's wrong.
And i think loss of freedom is punishment enough anyway. Only thing i care about really.
And, i DO hope no innocents get locked there. Well, since 10.000 innocent people get locked up every month in the US...dumdidum...
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read this article a while back where it said thousands of pounds of tax payers money was being spent on PS2's and Xbox's for the inmates to have, they could take em back to their cells and use on their in-cell TV's... yeh prison sounds like a hell dont it.
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This is a complete fucking joke. Maybe if USA didn't spend all their money on fucking illegal foreign wars then they have some money to improve the social infrastructure which leads to alot of these crimes taking place. The government INTRODUCED crack to the ghettos, and possesion of that results in many years in prison, yet a affluent white man caught with cocaine with get off with a warning? Fuck off. You guys need to stop looking at things in black and white. Not every criminal is a 'bad person' alot of them just didn't get off to the right start in life as alot of you have. These conditions are inhumane and will result in deaths through heat exhaustion etc. And about criminals 'building up muscles so they can assault people' just lol.... Lets start banning ex cons from going to the gym while wer at it i mean they have no right to improve their fitness/health cos they may killzor people!
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Get that guy to move here damn it.
A criminal is a criminal regardless of whatever background they came from, no sympathy, they KNEW what they were getting themselves into and bloody deserve every sodding bit of mis-treatment.
I'm not best pleased to know that when I pay tax i'm helping these fuck ups out. I'd rather see them cleaned off the face of the earth for all I care.
You break the law, you deserve what's coming.
A criminal is a criminal regardless of whatever background they came from, no sympathy, they KNEW what they were getting themselves into and bloody deserve every sodding bit of mis-treatment.
I'm not best pleased to know that when I pay tax i'm helping these fuck ups out. I'd rather see them cleaned off the face of the earth for all I care.
You break the law, you deserve what's coming.
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Sorry Tris this is just something i feel strongly about..
Sharma what is the law? A set of rules and regulations often imposed to benefit the ruling elite, especially in America. I find nothing morally wrong with possesing for example crack, or for cocaine for that matter, but as i stated you would get a much larger term for the prior, if you were for example a poor black male.
Prison workers are already exploited to fuck by companies such as Nike, big business being in bed with the US government anyone?
Sharma what is the law? A set of rules and regulations often imposed to benefit the ruling elite, especially in America. I find nothing morally wrong with possesing for example crack, or for cocaine for that matter, but as i stated you would get a much larger term for the prior, if you were for example a poor black male.
Prison workers are already exploited to fuck by companies such as Nike, big business being in bed with the US government anyone?
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For me this is very relavent to the discussion, and i personally believe every word of it, i've done alot of research into these areas its just some wackjob conspiracy theory. (this isnt my own work)
Black Youth and the Criminalization of a Generation
Part 3: The War On Drugs Is a War on the People
Revolutionary Worker #973, September 13, 1998
The first article in this series described how an entire generation has been criminalized by this system, especially the Black and Latino youth who live in the inner city. It showed how the tripling of the prison population over the past 17 years has almost all been the result of drug possession charges.
The second one showed how the economic trends of the '60s and '70s led to a situation where--after a brief period of hope--things grew desperate in the ghettos and barrios.
This article will show the role played by the drug traffic and the war on drugs in this campaign to lock down a generation--and expose who is ultimately, and in some cases directly, responsible.
*****
In 1969, President Nixon's top assistant wrote in his diary that:
"[President Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to."
Thus was born the War on Drugs. Under the cover of "fighting drugs" and "crime in the streets," the federal government channeled massive amounts of arms and money to city governments who feared urban rebellion and even insurrection. Nixon himself used "war on drugs" as a code-word for the politics of both racism and repression. And all the while, he watched quietly as heroin was pumped into the ghettos on a huge scale in an attempt to create chaos and derail political organization among Black youth.
How Ronald Reagan Solved Two Problems with Cocaine
When times changed, so did the drug wars. Under Ronald Reagan, during the 1980s, drug policy became an important part of the way the U.S. ruling class dealt with two important political problems.
First, Reagan needed a way to finance the counter-revolutionary war that the U.S. was waging against Nicaragua. While everyone knew that the U.S. was running this war, the government couldn't admit it for political, legal and diplomatic reasons. So it had to be officially secret and officially unfunded.
Second, Reagan needed a way to justify his program for dealing with the crisis in the ghettos. In those Reagan years, the economy passed through a hard period of recession and an expansion of "rustbelt" shutdowns. Cuts in government spending and other cutbacks, on top of the huge job loss, created levels of misery that hadn't been seen in 50 years. Such misery created instability and the danger of resistance.
Reagan's people, particularly the forces around Vice President George Bush and the CIA, solved the first problem by taking the counter-revolutionary forces in Nicaragua (the contras) and directing them toward the illegal drug business. The CIA essentially hired the private airlines of drug traffickers in the Caribbean basin to secretly transport guns and supplies for the contras. In exchange, the drug operations of these traffickers and their contra allies were allowed to fly into the U.S. unopposed--including onto major U.S. airports and military bases. Funds from major drug rings in L.A. and Miami flowed to the contras.
Contras and allied drug-traffickers who ran afoul of drug agents were repeatedly helped by their contacts in the U.S. government. Agents of the federal Drug Enforcement Agency circulated complaints inside the government that whenever they had developed a legal case against some major drug-trafficker, the CIA would come in and use this legal threat to blackmail the trafficker into the network supplying their secret war. And the DEA was then "called off"--because the trafficker was now valuable as an "asset."
Beginning around 1983, and in significant part pushed on by the CIA-sponsored contras themselves, cheap cocaine flooded into ghettos of New York and L.A.--into the economic life of inner cities that were becoming a wasteland of closing factories. Much of it was turned into crack--a smokeable form of cocaine that gives the same intense high at a much cheaper price. Soon, crack was widely available in the ghettos and barrios of New York and L.A. Within several years, nearly every major city was faced with a tidal wave of crack.
The CIA has (predictably) denied any role in the cocaine trade. And the system's mainstream media act like it is "paranoia" to believe that the government might specifically target Black communities with cheap cocaine.
However several questions about this have never been answered. In the early 1980s, a drug distribution ring was set up in California by supporters of the Nicaraguan contras. The investigative journalist Gary Webb has documented that this ring specifically sent its "marketing expert" to Los Angeles to seek out Black drug dealers for the distribution network. Why did these Spanish-speaking Nicaraguan reactionaries not set up distribution through the various Latino drug operations of Los Angeles? Did someone in their operation (or someone controlling their operation higher in the CIA-contra network) specifically decide to unleash this cheap cocaine into the Black community of South Central L.A.?
The System and Crack
The "crack explosion" had a major impact on that second problem faced by the U.S. government.
For the masses, crack was and is a horrible thing. It means young people getting shot over competition for markets. It means all kinds of folks being strung out and ruined by the drug. It's like the days when the main item sold on the trading posts near the Indian reservations was whiskey. But for the ruling class of capitalists and for their police enforcers at various levels, the crack trade had a useful side.
First, it inserted impoverished Black and Latino youth into the economy. It gave them something to do. From the standpoint of a ruling class, you cannot have energetic and high-spirited youth hanging around with nothing to do and hungry bellies--they might turn to politics, especially revolutionary politics. With crack, there was something for these youth to do that would actually benefit capital. Crack came in at a time of sky-high unemployment, of hunger and impoverishment. It is little wonder that desperate youth got caught up in selling it.
In fact, crack was the capitalist "job program for the ghetto" of the 1980s and 1990s.
And when some of these youth became mini-capitalists based on the crack trade, it built up capitalist-style "money is everything" and "me first" thinking among the youth. This is true even despite the fact that only a small minority could "live large" off the drug trade. When you do the math, most of the youth slinging crack don't get all that much more than minimum wage. But in a devastated economy and in a society that makes money everything, the hope to "live large" if only for a moment proved very powerful, and this too served the larger interests of the capitalists.
At the same time, the system had problems with some aspects of the drug trade. In particular, as street organizations became larger, wealthier and better armed, the ruling class (and their police) started complaining that parts of the inner city were becoming harder and more dangerous to control. The only well-armed forces they wanted to see in the ghettos and barrios were their cops-in-blue.
Top politicians also found the drug economy to be a useful way to target Black people as scapegoats. They hoped to channel the anger and anxiety of whites (most of whom were also facing tougher times and great uncertainty) against Black people, in a more modern version of the lynch mob. So in 1988, George Bush used the image of convicted Black criminal Willie Horton to get elected. Then in 1992, Clinton showed he was just as "tough" as Bush by rushing home to Arkansas to execute a young brain-damaged Black man in the middle of his campaign. Whether in the TV news or political campaigns, one image was repeated over and over--that of the criminal Black or Latino male. The media and politicians sent the message that things are changing for the worse because crime is rampant, and that Black people are the perpetrators of this crime--when exactly the reverse is the case.
The hypocrisy was intense. As Ronald Reagan's national security team winked at the CIA-sponsored arms for drugs networks, Nancy Reagan told the youth to "Just Say No." And meanwhile, in the streets, the police started the mass imprisonment of African-American and Latino youth.
Similarly, Bill Clinton lectured the youth on personal responsibility and has presided over the doubling of the U.S. prison population--while he eliminated welfare.
The U.S. ruling class--who order bombing raids on defenseless people at the slightest provocation or none at all--condemn Black and Latino youth as "criminal" and even "unredeemable." And they cold-heartedly send hundreds of thousands each year off to concentration-camp prisons.
This is poli-tricks--of a deadly, devastating kind.
Using the Crack Trade to Strengthen Police Control
The drug trade goes on under the direct and indirect control of the police. Evidence of this has surfaced in city after city, as scandals have exposed police drug-dealing and close police ties to major drug operations. And so anyone drawn into the illegal economy also gets caught up in a whole network of relations with the police.
The ties between the illegal economy and the police became another form of control--a chain on people who are desperate and potentially revolutionary. Using this chain, the government has built a massive snitch network in the oppressed communities. Between 1985 and 1993 the federal government spent half a billion dollars on informers. And that figure doesn't even count all the money spent by city and state cops, and all the bargain-basement snitches created by the now-routine practice of bargaining prison time down in exchange for testimony and information on former associates.
One key function of such a growing police-state apparatus is to pre-empt and prevent revolutionary organization from gaining ground among the people.
The crack trade--which again only went on with the connivance, and in some cases the active initiation and participation, of the big capitalists, politicians and police--became the excuse for the most massive program of repression and imprisonment in U.S. history.
We talked about the scope and effects of this in the first part of this article. We want to re-emphasize: while Black and minority people have always made up a disproportionate share of the nation's prisoners, the last 20 years have seen this go to a new level. From half a million in 1980 to over two million today.
What are the conclusions?
One, the crack trade was set up with the knowledge and participation of the same power structure that publicly claims to oppose it. Far from opposing drugs, the U.S. rulers were using drugs to finance their counter-revolutionary wars and to transform the economic life of the ghettos.
Two, this same crack trade served as justification for the phony war on drugs. And this war on drugs has been a war on the people, especially Black and Latino youth, and has accounted for the horrific tripling of the U.S. prison population in a few short years.
Black Youth and the Criminalization of a Generation
Part 3: The War On Drugs Is a War on the People
Revolutionary Worker #973, September 13, 1998
The first article in this series described how an entire generation has been criminalized by this system, especially the Black and Latino youth who live in the inner city. It showed how the tripling of the prison population over the past 17 years has almost all been the result of drug possession charges.
The second one showed how the economic trends of the '60s and '70s led to a situation where--after a brief period of hope--things grew desperate in the ghettos and barrios.
This article will show the role played by the drug traffic and the war on drugs in this campaign to lock down a generation--and expose who is ultimately, and in some cases directly, responsible.
*****
In 1969, President Nixon's top assistant wrote in his diary that:
"[President Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to."
Thus was born the War on Drugs. Under the cover of "fighting drugs" and "crime in the streets," the federal government channeled massive amounts of arms and money to city governments who feared urban rebellion and even insurrection. Nixon himself used "war on drugs" as a code-word for the politics of both racism and repression. And all the while, he watched quietly as heroin was pumped into the ghettos on a huge scale in an attempt to create chaos and derail political organization among Black youth.
How Ronald Reagan Solved Two Problems with Cocaine
When times changed, so did the drug wars. Under Ronald Reagan, during the 1980s, drug policy became an important part of the way the U.S. ruling class dealt with two important political problems.
First, Reagan needed a way to finance the counter-revolutionary war that the U.S. was waging against Nicaragua. While everyone knew that the U.S. was running this war, the government couldn't admit it for political, legal and diplomatic reasons. So it had to be officially secret and officially unfunded.
Second, Reagan needed a way to justify his program for dealing with the crisis in the ghettos. In those Reagan years, the economy passed through a hard period of recession and an expansion of "rustbelt" shutdowns. Cuts in government spending and other cutbacks, on top of the huge job loss, created levels of misery that hadn't been seen in 50 years. Such misery created instability and the danger of resistance.
Reagan's people, particularly the forces around Vice President George Bush and the CIA, solved the first problem by taking the counter-revolutionary forces in Nicaragua (the contras) and directing them toward the illegal drug business. The CIA essentially hired the private airlines of drug traffickers in the Caribbean basin to secretly transport guns and supplies for the contras. In exchange, the drug operations of these traffickers and their contra allies were allowed to fly into the U.S. unopposed--including onto major U.S. airports and military bases. Funds from major drug rings in L.A. and Miami flowed to the contras.
Contras and allied drug-traffickers who ran afoul of drug agents were repeatedly helped by their contacts in the U.S. government. Agents of the federal Drug Enforcement Agency circulated complaints inside the government that whenever they had developed a legal case against some major drug-trafficker, the CIA would come in and use this legal threat to blackmail the trafficker into the network supplying their secret war. And the DEA was then "called off"--because the trafficker was now valuable as an "asset."
Beginning around 1983, and in significant part pushed on by the CIA-sponsored contras themselves, cheap cocaine flooded into ghettos of New York and L.A.--into the economic life of inner cities that were becoming a wasteland of closing factories. Much of it was turned into crack--a smokeable form of cocaine that gives the same intense high at a much cheaper price. Soon, crack was widely available in the ghettos and barrios of New York and L.A. Within several years, nearly every major city was faced with a tidal wave of crack.
The CIA has (predictably) denied any role in the cocaine trade. And the system's mainstream media act like it is "paranoia" to believe that the government might specifically target Black communities with cheap cocaine.
However several questions about this have never been answered. In the early 1980s, a drug distribution ring was set up in California by supporters of the Nicaraguan contras. The investigative journalist Gary Webb has documented that this ring specifically sent its "marketing expert" to Los Angeles to seek out Black drug dealers for the distribution network. Why did these Spanish-speaking Nicaraguan reactionaries not set up distribution through the various Latino drug operations of Los Angeles? Did someone in their operation (or someone controlling their operation higher in the CIA-contra network) specifically decide to unleash this cheap cocaine into the Black community of South Central L.A.?
The System and Crack
The "crack explosion" had a major impact on that second problem faced by the U.S. government.
For the masses, crack was and is a horrible thing. It means young people getting shot over competition for markets. It means all kinds of folks being strung out and ruined by the drug. It's like the days when the main item sold on the trading posts near the Indian reservations was whiskey. But for the ruling class of capitalists and for their police enforcers at various levels, the crack trade had a useful side.
First, it inserted impoverished Black and Latino youth into the economy. It gave them something to do. From the standpoint of a ruling class, you cannot have energetic and high-spirited youth hanging around with nothing to do and hungry bellies--they might turn to politics, especially revolutionary politics. With crack, there was something for these youth to do that would actually benefit capital. Crack came in at a time of sky-high unemployment, of hunger and impoverishment. It is little wonder that desperate youth got caught up in selling it.
In fact, crack was the capitalist "job program for the ghetto" of the 1980s and 1990s.
And when some of these youth became mini-capitalists based on the crack trade, it built up capitalist-style "money is everything" and "me first" thinking among the youth. This is true even despite the fact that only a small minority could "live large" off the drug trade. When you do the math, most of the youth slinging crack don't get all that much more than minimum wage. But in a devastated economy and in a society that makes money everything, the hope to "live large" if only for a moment proved very powerful, and this too served the larger interests of the capitalists.
At the same time, the system had problems with some aspects of the drug trade. In particular, as street organizations became larger, wealthier and better armed, the ruling class (and their police) started complaining that parts of the inner city were becoming harder and more dangerous to control. The only well-armed forces they wanted to see in the ghettos and barrios were their cops-in-blue.
Top politicians also found the drug economy to be a useful way to target Black people as scapegoats. They hoped to channel the anger and anxiety of whites (most of whom were also facing tougher times and great uncertainty) against Black people, in a more modern version of the lynch mob. So in 1988, George Bush used the image of convicted Black criminal Willie Horton to get elected. Then in 1992, Clinton showed he was just as "tough" as Bush by rushing home to Arkansas to execute a young brain-damaged Black man in the middle of his campaign. Whether in the TV news or political campaigns, one image was repeated over and over--that of the criminal Black or Latino male. The media and politicians sent the message that things are changing for the worse because crime is rampant, and that Black people are the perpetrators of this crime--when exactly the reverse is the case.
The hypocrisy was intense. As Ronald Reagan's national security team winked at the CIA-sponsored arms for drugs networks, Nancy Reagan told the youth to "Just Say No." And meanwhile, in the streets, the police started the mass imprisonment of African-American and Latino youth.
Similarly, Bill Clinton lectured the youth on personal responsibility and has presided over the doubling of the U.S. prison population--while he eliminated welfare.
The U.S. ruling class--who order bombing raids on defenseless people at the slightest provocation or none at all--condemn Black and Latino youth as "criminal" and even "unredeemable." And they cold-heartedly send hundreds of thousands each year off to concentration-camp prisons.
This is poli-tricks--of a deadly, devastating kind.
Using the Crack Trade to Strengthen Police Control
The drug trade goes on under the direct and indirect control of the police. Evidence of this has surfaced in city after city, as scandals have exposed police drug-dealing and close police ties to major drug operations. And so anyone drawn into the illegal economy also gets caught up in a whole network of relations with the police.
The ties between the illegal economy and the police became another form of control--a chain on people who are desperate and potentially revolutionary. Using this chain, the government has built a massive snitch network in the oppressed communities. Between 1985 and 1993 the federal government spent half a billion dollars on informers. And that figure doesn't even count all the money spent by city and state cops, and all the bargain-basement snitches created by the now-routine practice of bargaining prison time down in exchange for testimony and information on former associates.
One key function of such a growing police-state apparatus is to pre-empt and prevent revolutionary organization from gaining ground among the people.
The crack trade--which again only went on with the connivance, and in some cases the active initiation and participation, of the big capitalists, politicians and police--became the excuse for the most massive program of repression and imprisonment in U.S. history.
We talked about the scope and effects of this in the first part of this article. We want to re-emphasize: while Black and minority people have always made up a disproportionate share of the nation's prisoners, the last 20 years have seen this go to a new level. From half a million in 1980 to over two million today.
What are the conclusions?
One, the crack trade was set up with the knowledge and participation of the same power structure that publicly claims to oppose it. Far from opposing drugs, the U.S. rulers were using drugs to finance their counter-revolutionary wars and to transform the economic life of the ghettos.
Two, this same crack trade served as justification for the phony war on drugs. And this war on drugs has been a war on the people, especially Black and Latino youth, and has accounted for the horrific tripling of the U.S. prison population in a few short years.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2204824.stm
Was looking up the open prisons they have in the uk and found this on Lord Archer's stay there, while I accept Archer probably isnt the greatest flight risk in the world, you then read something like the following, and ask yourself what were they doing putting convicted killers in open prisons in the 1st place
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/...p/Convicted_murderers_escape_from_open_prison
Was looking up the open prisons they have in the uk and found this on Lord Archer's stay there, while I accept Archer probably isnt the greatest flight risk in the world, you then read something like the following, and ask yourself what were they doing putting convicted killers in open prisons in the 1st place
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/...p/Convicted_murderers_escape_from_open_prison
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I kind of Agree in a way to what Azarus is saying. As Tupac said "Instead of a war on poverty, theres a war on drugs so the police can bother me" or "I aint never done a crime I didnt have to do"
There wasnt many oppurtunities for young, black males in poverty stricken areas, so what are they supposed to do to make ends meet? Turning to crime was/is the only way. However, thats not to say they should spend their time in a cushy jail, eating steak, drinking ale and playing an xbox360 all day. If you are sent to jail, it should be the worst experience of your life, and you should finish your jail term thinking "there is no way im going back there again"
There wasnt many oppurtunities for young, black males in poverty stricken areas, so what are they supposed to do to make ends meet? Turning to crime was/is the only way. However, thats not to say they should spend their time in a cushy jail, eating steak, drinking ale and playing an xbox360 all day. If you are sent to jail, it should be the worst experience of your life, and you should finish your jail term thinking "there is no way im going back there again"
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How are you going to prevent going back there if you don't know how to act in society?Marc said:
Prisons should be rehabilitation. Should teach inmates morals and all that stuff, and a good job, so they've got a prospect to actually begin a better life.
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A crime i didn't HAVE to do... 
There's no such thing as forced criminal activity. No matter how much you try and blame society or poverty.
I'm poor as a motherf*cker. I rarely have 20 euro's for weeks of living. I can't make my ends meet even with a 200 mile nailon rope.
I'm not stealing cars, i'm not kicking grannies down to get their groceries...
I get by, day by day, as i can.
What ticks me off about the prison system though is the innocents. Like said, 10k get locked up without reason every month. And YES, it should be an educational facility. Show the error, train for computer science whatnot.
There's no such thing as forced criminal activity. No matter how much you try and blame society or poverty.
I'm poor as a motherf*cker. I rarely have 20 euro's for weeks of living. I can't make my ends meet even with a 200 mile nailon rope.
I'm not stealing cars, i'm not kicking grannies down to get their groceries...
I get by, day by day, as i can.
What ticks me off about the prison system though is the innocents. Like said, 10k get locked up without reason every month. And YES, it should be an educational facility. Show the error, train for computer science whatnot.
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Ingafgrinn Macabre said:
Sorry, but being around scumbags all my life, i dont believe in this reabilitation lark, but thats just me. Yes, you get the odd story about how "prison changed my life" but for every reabilitated person, I bet there are dozens more who arent. I know quite a few people who have been to prison or have been in and out of prison, "piece of piss mate, cushy life". And therin lies the problem.
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old.Tohtori said:A crime i didn't HAVE to do...
There's no such thing as forced criminal activity. No matter how much you try and blame society or poverty.
We are talking about American ghettos here, not the uk where a single mother with 4 kids can earn more than the national average wage by just sitting on her arse. I think hes implying people would steal provisions just to be able to live (although Tupac was hardly living in poverty when he was younger)
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well, make it so then that if you get thrown in jail the first time you get the rehab / moral / school-like prison system, and if you find yourself locked up for the second time you get the spartan hell tent prison, and two months before the end of their second prison time, throw them back into rehab. Then they'll have been taught right from wrong etc, and have a memory of "ain't ****ing doing that again"Marc said:
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Ingafgrinn Macabre said:well, make it so then that if you get thrown in jail the first time you get the rehab / moral / school-like prison system, and if you find yourself locked up for the second time you get the spartan hell tent prison, and two months before the end of their second prison time, throw them back into rehab. Then they'll have been taught right from wrong etc, and have a memory of "ain't ****ing doing that again"
I agree that prisions should "try" and rehabilitate people in some way. Then they can at least say they did try it. But it shouldnt be at the expense of having a hard time in jail. Maybe some people are just beyond rehabilitation?
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Marc this guy says it far better the 2pac ever did (i dont really rate pac tbh). His lyrics are ridiculously on point.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/immortaltechnique/peruviancocaine.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/immortaltechnique/peruviancocaine.html