The TL report for SBs

[Divinia]

"were so poor plz help us, we dont do unbalanced damage anymore"

 

[mirak_naijmi]

Divina if you got nothing better to say just shut it. Even if people sounds like FoTM 14 years they atleast argue in a good way, cry more n00b is not a very striking argument in this disscussion.

Emma, all youre saying is that you havent hit for more than 359 with comeback. But do you have any arguments against what Pin is saying that what we actually loose is about 10-15% since its only part of our damage that actually gets nerfed? Looking at it that way(which probably is the truth) kinds out matches "but we loose 40% of our damage how in hell will we stand a chance now?!?!!" which was more or less what u said but without advanced numbers....

Thanks for a good explanation Pin!

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by Divinia
"were so poor plz help us, we dont do unbalanced damage anymore"

xD

div play more! teh evul bards steal all my DM's with dd

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by old.Emma

Post nurf SB`s LA damage will be pathetic and any infil worth his weight in gold will be able to kick there ass's, those that do remain playing will either respec to some gimped 5-spec variation (high weap/cs little to no LA spec) or go CB. neither of which can compete well with an infil that has specced well.

Adapt (good sbs will do, fotm will whine) or play more the rest of your classes.

Originally posted by old.Emma

If a cookie cutter Thrust inf gets there ass handed to them by a SZ. What can you expect you specced for CS attacks, cant expect to go into a fight and win without using your CS attacks when the SB is specced for pure melee.

SZs are not only infils machine killers. SZs are able to kill any class pre-1.62 (maybe they could have a hard time against fast QC casters or heavy+++ tanks) and thats why the class was bugged n has been nerfed.

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
SZs are not only infils machine killers. SZs are able to kill any class pre-1.62 (maybe they could have a hard time against fast QC casters or heavy+++ tanks) and thats why the class was bugged n has been nerfed.

cant infils do the same?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.Emma
Hardest ive hit a level 50 Infil for with my SB is using comeback which did 359 dmg that was an extremely lucky hit and something that doesnt happen often. Not sure how i managed a hit like that either he sat down cos he was loose`n or i hit a poor piece of his armour.

http://www.thevortex.demon.co.uk/sshot051.jpg

That is a bit much tbh, was a very hard hit against a level 50 but it happens rarely.

Now look at this.

http://www.thevortex.demon.co.uk/48inf-vs-50rr5zerk.jpg

So when you hit for 359 with your SB it must be a bug, or something was wrong with the opponent, but when you hit for 231 with an Inf the Inf is uber and overpowered?

I think you need to get some perspective. And considering your Inf is your pet project for a personal crusade to get Infs nerfed or SBs un-nerfed I think you're doing a pretty bad job as you just showed the SB doing 55% more mainhand damage.

Anyway, your Inf has been 50 for a couple of weeks now... Where's the screens of her hitting for 300+?

Originally posted by old.Emma
Post nurf SB`s LA damage will be pathetic and any infil worth his weight in gold will be able to kick there ass's, those that do remain playing will either respec to some gimped 5-spec variation (high weap/cs little to no LA spec) or go CB. neither of which can compete well with an infil that has specced well.

SB`s spec to kill other assassins (SZ) some spec as allrounders (5-spec) and a very small number spec as CB.

As I posted above, SBs are losing 10-15% damage. It's not the end of the world.

Do yourself a favour and take your SB out to Emain. Turn logging on, and log all the damage taken and dished out for 10k RPs or so. Then look through the log and see where all the damage came from. Mainhand, offhand, poison, procs, etc. And then work out how much damage you really lose. Then if possible, get someone with a different LA spec to do the same.

Originally posted by old.Emma
And Pin public opinion on a class does have a large impact on wether or not a class gets "looked into"

Correct. Public opinion has an impact on whether the class is investigated. But not directly on whether they receive adjustments.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by vintervargen
cant infils do the same?

Can't

Believe me, don't try to compare mercfiltrators with SZs in terms of pure damage

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
Can't

Believe me, don't try to compare mercfiltrators with SZs in terms of pure damage

dmg / hit maybe not, but i doubt you'd have more probs to kill a buffed <insert hib tank> then a sz

(talivar doesnt count)

 

[jox]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
Can't

Believe me, don't try to compare mercfiltrators with SZs in terms of pure damage

nonsens

sz = axe 44/laxe 44, mercitrator = sword 50/dual 50 => more weaponskill => more damage, at least on me :/

The only thing that saves me is high rr and relics.

Whatever, time for panncakes.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by jox
nonsens

sz = axe 44/laxe 44, mercitrator = sword 50/dual 50 => more weaponskill => more damage, at least on me :/

cba to post logs n math formulas (summoning Professor Pin) but

SZ damage >>> Mercfiltrator damage from my own experiences against Gedan or you (not sure if u was SZ, think so) when i was mercfil (before Novemeber 02)


And i tried both 5 specc n mercfiltrator, n found that it isnt worth for me the extra damage n DualShadows of 50DW, instead of the PA chain n the high Hamstring chain damage. Pretty rare to see 250+ hits from a mercfil, nothing rare for a SZ.

 

[vintervargen]

hey i got 44 in pierce! and i hit for 150! buffed no debuffs and evade style!!! ubaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
cba to post logs n math formulas (summoning Professor Pin) but

SZ damage >>> Mercfiltrator damage from my own experiences against Gedan or you (not sure if u was SZ, think so) when i was mercfil (before Novemeber 02)


And i tried both 5 specc n mercfiltrator, n found that it isnt worth for me the extra damage n DualShadows of 50DW, instead of the PA chain n the high Hamstring chain damage. Pretty rare to see 250+ hits from a mercfil, nothing rare for a SZ.

you right pretty rare to see 250+ hits from mercfils although i think that has a lot to do with them using fast weapons. 2.6/2.9/3.5/3.6 spd weapons, try using a weapon that is 4.1 spd similar to that of a SZ and you`ll see some nasty hits then.

Hit Nero last night twice for 240+ dmg with a 3.6 spd sabre when buffed, surely a mercfil using a 4.1 spd bastard sword could hit alot harder than that ;p

SZ damage may be high now but in 1.62 mercfil damage > SZ damage ;p

 

[iguk]

a slash infil do very well i might add....maybe not as strong as a sz but still vely vely stlong....

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by vintervargen
hey i got 44 in pierce! and i hit for 150! buffed no debuffs and evade style!!! ubaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

Mostly my dragonfang hits for 130 but i've seen it hit for 89!!!

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by old.Emma
you right pretty rare to see 250+ hits from mercfils although i think that has a lot to do with them using fast weapons. 2.6/2.9/3.5/3.6 spd weapons, try using a weapon that is 4.1 spd similar to that of a SZ and you`ll see some nasty hits then.

Hit Nero last night twice for 240+ dmg with a 3.6 spd sabre when buffed, surely a mercfil using a 4.1 spd bastard sword could hit alot harder than that ;p

SZ damage may be high now but in 1.62 mercfil damage > SZ damage ;p

Correct me if im wrong but DW and LA are completely different......

 

[old.Emma]

in base mechanics they are different but in unstyled damage they are identical the only reason LA hits so hard at the moment is due to a f**k up in patch 1.50/1.51 by mythic.


DW has the same haste effect as LA, the difference is you have to spec for it, but your weapons always do 100%+ damage

LA has a haste effect all the time, but you have to spec LA to get your base damage up, starting at 62.5% max damage raising by .5% per spec point.

As it stands LA > DW/CD for mechanics, but in 1.62 CD/DW > LA at medium to high spec.

With 35+12 DW and DR2 on my inf i can happily use a bastard sword and dagger for max haste effect there for increasing my DPS by a large number. If you like many other infils stick to using 2 longdirks you`ll never see the haste effect in action. infact even using a GR/long dirk you`ll barely notice the haste effect as well.

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by old.Emma
in base mechanics they are different but in unstyled damage they are identical the only reason LA hits so hard at the moment is due to a f**k up in patch 1.50/1.51 by mythic.


DW has the same haste effect as LA, the difference is you have to spec for it, but your weapons always do 100%+ damage

LA has a haste effect all the time, but you have to spec LA to get your base damage up, starting at 62.5% max damage raising by .5% per spec point.

As it stands LA > DW/CD for mechanics, but in 1.62 CD/DW > LA at medium to high spec.

With 35+12 DW and DR2 on my inf i can happily use a bastard sword and dagger for max haste effect there for increasing my DPS by a large number. If you like many other infils stick to using 2 longdirks you`ll never see the haste effect in action. infact even using a GR/long dirk you`ll barely notice the haste effect as well.

Are you 100% sure?

Cos i've been told by alot of people that DW only adds change to swing off hand and ofc gives you the styles with has different dmg. that would also explain why my Dragon Fang did abit more dmg than Duel Shadows which as far as i remember has High dmg like Dragon fang

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Aybabtu
Are you 100% sure?

Cos i've been told by alot of people that DW only adds change to swing off hand and ofc gives you the styles with has different dmg. that would also explain why my Dragon Fang did abit more dmg than Duel Shadows which as far as i remember has High dmg like Dragon fang

DW have haste effect, use a GR+dirk (2.2spd) too notice the most.


BUT, if u miss your lefthand, you will get some "negative haste
effect", i suck at explaining and cba either