The sb...

[PaqMan]

I read all over these forums that sb's have a hard time now after patch..

I have seen loads of different tips and spec's to be better as a sb.

So... Imagine a new lvl 50 kobbie sb, RR2(+12) who really like to run around having fun(note the keyword here). Not neccecary activelly hunt infs/ns's but other targets(He will probably meet those anyway and drop dead)..

I have played around with the character builder on catacombs, but as the true newbie I am I don't really know how much impact the different spec's have for the character.

As I have read to in some threads full CB wont work(atleast not until you know how to play it well) so I came up with the following:

Stealth: 38(50) (Do it have to be 50 unconditionally?)
CritStrike: 21(33) (Just for the nice look on the PA)
LeftAxe: 39(51) (I saw somewhere Frosty Gaze is a nice one)
Sword: 43(55) (Not axe, sword looks better imho on him despite new weapons dps/spd on axes)
Envenom: 33(45) (For the DoT before lifebane)

And 21 pts unused (pout, where do I toss them in??)

I'd appreciate any ideas and comments on the above. No need to make the uberest spec but a bit better survivability and potentially fun character to play..

 

[Haldar]

currently, if u want to have fun, u need all of the following:

1) fine set of armor/weapons (99-MP, all SCed and alchemized with all stats cap or almost cap)
2) most damaging spec. sorry but that one u posted doesnt fit in this category.
3) a good buffbot with at least 37 aug.
4) learn skills in playing assasin if u havent yet

if u fail in achieving just 1 of those - u will die really really often...and this is not classified as fun. IMHO.

good luck.

 

[mirak_naijmi]

Count as if you have higher rr.

 

[Ozands]

drop your stealth to 35 it will get 50 eventually while u get higer rr
i im a lvl 46 sb with 35+11+rr skills currently im rr3L4 or something

 

[PaqMan]

Originally posted by Hroft[BC]
currently, if u want to have fun, u need all of the following:

1) fine set of armor/weapons (99-MP, all SCed and alchemized with all stats cap or almost cap)
2) most damaging spec. sorry but that one u posted doesnt fit in this category.
3) a good buffbot with at least 37 aug.
4) learn skills in playing assasin if u havent yet

if u fail in achieving just 1 of those - u will die really really often...and this is not classified as fun. IMHO.

good luck.

Thanks for the input all of you.

To Hroft:

1. Well I counted on that, so thats no problem
2. Any idea to ask you to show me that spec?
3. No bufbot will idle on my screen, I'm afraid.
4. Learning comes in time I guess.

I guess I will be hurt some(with no #3).. Well well.. Will be interesting.

To Ozands and Mirak:

Guess I set the stealth as if I were RR 4/5, and let it grow as ranks come?

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In the bg's and in for example mpk/emain I have seen few lower level sb's(45+) killing off mages/semitanks now and then and run off before infils caught them. I guess tht I will have to be like that if I don't do all 4 points on that list Hroft presented. My idea is just that, aim for the mages/semitanks and hope to avoid the high RR infils/ns's as much as I can.. Won't work as much as I want I guess but I think besides the spec and eq, different strategies needs to be implemented from my side then

 

[froler-mid]

when your a assain, your primary target is other stealthers(like it or not).

i belive 80-90% of my kills is from other stealthers.

 

[PaqMan]

Originally posted by froler-mid
when your a assain, your primary target is other stealthers(like it or not).

i belive 80-90% of my kills is from other stealthers.

Ok.. I can accept that I guess ,-)

Anyways, if I now going to drag this to level 50 I need to make myself a spec I can walk around and learn how to be better with...

I played with the cbuilder again... And here's a thought:

Autotrained stealth to level 32(Makes 44 pts I think) and put that in 'BONUS PTS'... Hopefully correct..

Stealth 36
LeftAxe: 39
Sword: 44
Enven: 35 (debuf lvl 47 with +adds)
CritStrike: 21 (I _do_ like the swing of PA

Leaves me with 5 pts.

If response is 'Nah, no good' please say why and toss in a better suggestion.. And as I said earlier, Im not loking for uberness to fight uberinfils(yet). There have to be someone out there who is in par with me both in skill/training, ie as much newbie as I am

 

[Carlos Bananos]

either 10 cs or 34+, PA is v.useless at 21spec, your anytime will do more dmg....without CD PA is useless anyway

 

[mele]

mm

Being a rr2 sb the spec that u r saying is nice enough.
But with 21 CS u dont get really a good PA so i sujest left CS in 0, and rest of points in LA (44 or so) and if u got any more point to spare give it to sword.
It means that u will be a zerker with venoms and stealth...maibe is not nice enough for a assasin dont make PA but in this hard times for SB´s, SZ is not a bad option if u dont know to play the SB in rvr at all.At higher RR u can change the spec as u want but now if u dont beleive in Crit specced be a SZ is the best option for u.

 

[zmurf]

never make a template for as low a rr as 2 ... rr 4 is like 2~3 days rvr and rr5 7~10 day's if u, so called 'power rvr' ...

id say allways calculate with atleast +14 as rr4 is really fast (if u r able to group rvr the first rr's then go for +15 imo)

 

[PaqMan]

Re: mm

Originally posted by mele
but now if u dont beleive in Crit specced be a SZ is the best option for u. [/B]

But I do.. I wanted to be a CB but people kept bugging me saying CB's are dead and this far NO cb have specified any valid argument or spec which could be (semi)successful(not counting my lack of skill)

 

[Carlos Bananos]

well, CB u can go 50/39, and 35/35, rest into LA...

it still works, the havoc/tyrs is far better than CS styles, you still get a PA + CD, ur pa cap will be about 900~, but you miss out on the LA evade stun.


speccing LA also increases your dmg using normal (Havoc + Tyrs) axe styles.

 

[Appollo]

Just join <Pain> then spec dont matter a fuck

 

[Repent Reloaded]

Originally posted by froler-mid
when your a assain, your primary target is other stealthers(like it or not).

i belive 80-90% of my kills is from other stealthers.

casters, support are primary targets.

 

[azshara]

and if u dont join <Pain> and dont have buffs u can hope ull have fun....

 

[azshara]

Originally posted by Repent Reloaded
casters, support are primary targets.

if u run with a regular grp yes...

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Repent Reloaded
casters, support are primary targets.

Primary targets, an ppl you run into every 5 steps are totally different though.

if u just hunt ur primary targets, ur gonna get bored quick..

PA mage, get mezzed, die to his grp.


infs u will run into 24/7 weather you wanna or not :/

 

[ztyx]

As a RR2 it's impossible to get a good 5-spec, you need to pick a direction. You can't both have CS and high LA. If you are looking for fun you should go for some CS. A PA chain is always fun to land

Autotrained stealth to level 32(Makes 44 pts I think) and put that in 'BONUS PTS'... Hopefully correct..

I think it only makes 35 pts

 

[Nazghul-]

BAN buffbots

 

[Appollo]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
BAN buffbots

givf BB's a little house at tk's away from volley imo...

 

[jox]

Elajt, Elajt, Elajt...

It griefens me that you, my dear enemy have added such a lie to your signature;

"<Cyclodia> found jox in df solo he ran away when i hitted him and came back with 6 sb and a ts hunter hahah"

What happend was; I tried to level my savage in df(who is grey to Cyclodia) but not only did she kill me over and over, she laughspammed me aswell.

So I got tired of this it, logged in Jox and found her almost immediately and attacked. The problem was that a bigger ns was babysitting her so I got killed.

So I summoned backup moved down again and killed them so I could keep on leveling Joxa.

I dont know what is the real tragedy here; the fact that two ns not only run around in df and kill greys but also laughspamming them or because that they were so easy to find(didnt even had the brain to move away after every kill).

 

[yorem]

Does a SZ at anytime even need to use his 2 handed weapon?

 

[Repent Reloaded]

Originally posted by azshara
if u run with a regular grp yes...

casters, support are primary targets.

Nothing is stopping u from going into a zerg even thou u aint in a group.

 

[Haldar]

Originally posted by PaqMan

2. Any idea to ask you to show me that spec?

i have already posted it in another thread. copying one

afaik new "best" (read - most damaging) SB spec is:

enuf env to get 47 with items and RR
enuf stealth to get 50 with items and RR
2 CS (or 10 - if u prefer and have points)
then rise LA to 39
put rest into axe (not sword coz we'll get 16.5 4.2 delay axes in 1.64).
put rest into LA again.

for me being RR6 it equals to:
50 ax 41 LA 10 cs 34 stl 31 env.

proposed axe for left hand - Gazsi Bearded Axe, 16.2 dps and 2.4 delay.

but beware - this is MY opinion...and it may vary from the thoughts of another SBs

 

[Appollo]

hi der Jox

 

[Conchabar]

50 axe 44 la 10 cs sz spec rest stlth/env

 

[Ximadir]

"<Cyclodia> found jox in df solo he ran away when i hitted him and came back with 6 sb and a ts hunter hahah"

What happend was; I tried to level my savage in df(who is grey to Cyclodia) but not only did she kill me over and over, she laughspammed me aswell.

So I got tired of this it, logged in Jox and found her almost immediately and attacked. The problem was that a bigger ns was babysitting her so I got killed.

So I summoned backup moved down again and killed them so I could keep on leveling Joxa.

I dont know what is the real tragedy here; the fact that two ns not only run around in df and kill greys but also laughspamming them or because that they were so easy to find(didnt even had the brain to move away after every kill).

Ehm well jox you have some serious problems i think that when you cant win you make up stuff.

First of we did not move? Ehm yeah right how come i ganked you @ rocots and you zerged us @ entrance hmm wierd ?

And yeah i ganked your rr5 buffbot the other day a few times and i really enjoyed it.

Hm and iphis did not even help 1vs 1 agan you and you ran away like a chicken sh*t. Then you had to summon your special ra summon insta jox sb zerg+rr2 ts hunter in epicarmor4tehwin.

Lol we stil ganked 4 of the 8 you were with noob and btw im even a bit higher rank then iphis so.

But anyway go play your wanker savage i quited mine that i rolled since si release i dont want to play fotm class (And before you start you got an sb ive always been crit blade.) Meet ya in df soon again when i gank you bot agin and you get pwnd by mobs.


And the laugh spam was cause your a fotm wanker.

 

[peder]

Originally posted by Ximadir
"<Cyclodia> found jox in df solo he ran away when i hitted him and came back with 6 sb and a ts hunter hahah"



Ehm well jox you have some serious problems i think that when you cant win you make up stuff.

First of we did not move? Ehm yeah right how come i ganked you @ rocots and you zerged us @ entrance hmm wierd ?

And yeah i ganked your rr5 buffbot the other day a few times and i really enjoyed it.

Hm and iphis did not even help 1vs 1 agan you and you ran away like a chicken sh*t. Then you had to summon your special ra summon insta jox sb zerg+rr2 ts hunter in epicarmor4tehwin.

Lol we stil ganked 4 of the 8 you were with noob and btw im even a bit higher rank then iphis so.

But anyway go play your wanker savage i quited mine that i rolled since si release i dont want to play fotm class (And before you start you got an sb ive always been crit blade.) Meet ya in df soon again when i gank you bot agin and you get pwnd by mobs.


And the laugh spam was cause your a fotm wanker.

5 chars in 50?! perhaps its time to get a real life instead of ganking greys in df?

 

[Hestetun]

spam

 

[jox]

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Originally posted by Ximadir
"<Cyclodia> found jox in df solo he ran away when i hitted him and came back with 6 sb and a ts hunter hahah"


Ehm well jox you have some serious problems i think that when you cant win you make up stuff.

First of we did not move? Ehm yeah right how come i ganked you @ rocots and you zerged us @ entrance hmm wierd ?

And yeah i ganked your rr5 buffbot the other day a few times and i really enjoyed it.

Hm and iphis did not even help 1vs 1 agan you and you ran away like a chicken sh*t. Then you had to summon your special ra summon insta jox sb zerg+rr2 ts hunter in epicarmor4tehwin.

Lol we stil ganked 4 of the 8 you were with noob and btw im even a bit higher rank then iphis so.

But anyway go play your wanker savage i quited mine that i rolled since si release i dont want to play fotm class (And before you start you got an sb ive always been crit blade.) Meet ya in df soon again when i gank you bot agin and you get pwnd by mobs.


And the laugh spam was cause your a fotm wanker.

"Ehm well jox you have some serious problems i think that when you cant win you make up stuff."
Make up stuff? lol...I wonder who is doing that...


"Ehm yeah right how come i ganked you @ rocots and you zerged us @ entrance hmm wierd ?"
Did not move? Instead of moving away from every grey-con you killed, you stayed, in the same room, so all I had to do was to ask the guy you killed; where did he kill you mate? Why do you think I/we tracked you down so fast? One might belive that you had developed some sort of asassin-skill during your career as gimpy cb but the ones who do that are very wrong.


"Hm and iphis did not even help 1vs 1 agan you"
And Iphis didnt help you? what do you call his pa then? Idiot


"Lol we stil ganked 4 of the 8 you were with noob and btw im even a bit higher rank then iphis so."
You didnt gank 4 out of 8, we were 3 sbs and one sniper, and are you calling my mates noobs just because they had low realm rank? get a grip fucking retard.

"But anyway go play your wanker savage i quited mine that i rolled since si release" lol, so you stoped playing your savage when SI released? heavy drinker or just retard?

"i dont want to play fotm class" And what do you call infiltrators/nightshades after 1.62? lol

"And before you start you got an sb ive always been crit blade."
lol, the only thing that proves is that you couldnt even spec your class right, fucking gimp.

"And the laugh spam was cause your a fotm wanker."
lol, because I play around with a savage a bit(dont even know if I have the patience to bring him up to 50)? who has a savage in 50? who plays ns instead of sb? I wonder who is the fotm-gimp over here...

You suck as ns and you sucked as sb. The plain truth.