The Queens handshake

[Job]

For the love of god, why didn't someone put a fucking cap in that evil fucker, just give me a blunt instrument, the blunter the better, I'd take about a week to actually kill him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...uinness-share-handshake-on-road-to-peace.html

 

[Lamp]

As much as I dislike the Fenian bastard, he is deputy first minister. I'm sure the Queen didn't exactly enjoy the experience. His organisation murdered Mountbatten.

 

[Punishment]

Irish people didn't like being beaten out of their own homes and having their sons beaten to death infront of them for refusing to say their names in english, but this is how rifts are healed.

Nice gesture if a little irrelevant now

 

[Mabs]

As much as I dislike the Fenian bastard, he is deputy first minister. I'm sure the Queen didn't exactly enjoy the experience. His organisation murdered Mountbatten.

he was also on the IRA army council along with gerry adams, the whole lot of them need garrotting

 

[Job]

Irish people didn't like being beaten out of their own homes and having their sons beaten to death infront of them for refusing to say their names in english, but this is how rifts are healed.

Nice gesture if a little irrelevant now

OK, then ask him to shake the hands of the people who did that.

 

[Tom]

For the love of god, why didn't someone put a fucking cap in that evil fucker, just give me a blunt instrument, the blunter the better, I'd take about a week to actually kill him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...uinness-share-handshake-on-road-to-peace.html

Another great idea from Job, lets reignite decades of terrorism on English soil.

 

[Job]

Ha, but now the Yanks have disowned them, so we could just round em up , call them terrorists and KEEELLL them all OR put them in prison without trial, in MILTON KEYNES!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, as an outsider i still feel that less violence around *waves finger* those parts is nothing but good.

 

[Gwadien]

Atrocities were caused on both sides, this is a good move in the peace process.. Ireland are our neighbours, we can't keep punishing them for the actions of 'freedom fighters', but on the other side of the coin, they can't keep bringing up the arguments of what we did 100 years ago, so tbh, both has to stop in order to be a success, because IMO, I can apologise for the actions of Britain if Ireland apologises for the actions of the IRA, then be 'quits'.

I don't like the idea of the once 'Great' Britain rolling over to other countries because of actions that happened a hundred years ago. (Assuming you're referring to the Potato Famine & stuff)

I'm really hoping the handshake signified the fact that Britain and it's Government made mistakes, and the IRA were merely reacting to those mistakes, independence has been achieved for those that wish it, it's time to move on, not to forget, but move on.

 

[Raven]

Failing to understand the subject matter again Job?

 

[cHodAX]

Some utter bollocks being spoken in this thread, we have had peace for almost 15 years, they have fully disarmed and engaged in the political process. Did they do some evil shit in the past? Yes and so did the British Army, if we are totting up dead bodies then there are alot more Irish Catholics who were killed by the rife or sword of a British soldier.

The only way we can ever move past all this is to forgive and forget, if the Queen can shake the hand of a man who may have been complicit in the murder of her Uncle then what at example she has set for the rest of us. Good on her.

 

[Job]

i don't see them as mistakes, the army went in to stop the two most bigotted cultures on the planet smashing the fuck out of each other and it all got a bit heavy handed for many reasons, one being the catlicks were so entrenched in hatred and the Prodies just thought they were sub human, so it turned to crap and it's our fault.
It was council estate bigottry gone crazy.
It's not about her uncle. I'm talking about the people blown to fucking bits in the streets of England and Ireland, I'm old enough to remember the scenes of fireman scrapping remains off the streets with shovels and all those maimed for life and that fucking whore has the cheek to show his face, I'd shoot his frickin kids then him.

 

[cHodAX]

i don't see them as mistakes, the army went in to stop the two most bigotted cultures on the planet smashing the fuck out of each other and it all got a bit heavy handed for many reasons, one being the catlicks were so entrenched in hatred and the Prodies just thought they were sub human, so it turned to crap and it's our fault.
It was council estate bigottry gone crazy.

You show your ignorance now. This goes all the way back to William the Conqueror with atrocities commited against the civilian population spanning over 900 years. Generation after generation were murdered, oppressed or forced into what amounted to slavery. The Irish have a very legitimate beef with the English, that is why Blair apologised and the Queen much the same. The IRA commited hideous acts to force the agenda but it is a drop in the water compared to what was done to the Irish people living under English rule for hundreds of years.

 

[Gwadien]

i don't see them as mistakes, the army went in to stop the two most bigotted cultures on the planet smashing the fuck out of each other and it all got a bit heavy handed for many reasons, one being the catlicks were so entrenched in hatred and the Prodies just thought they were sub human, so it turned to crap and it's our fault.
It was council estate bigottry gone crazy.
It's not about her uncle. I'm talking about the people blown to fucking bits in the streets of England and Ireland, I'm old enough to remember the scenes of fireman scrapping remains off the streets with shovels and all those maimed for life and that fucking whore has the cheek to show his face, I'd shoot his frickin kids then him.

Lmfao, you're funny.

They were Catholics, we went over there, supported a small amount of Protestants, and made them the 'elite' of Ireland, gave them land etc, and when it wasn't the Protestants, it was simply English people, when the Famine came around, we didn't help them, that's why they're bitter with us.

Personally, I feel that a majority of the land-owning British saw it as a class(Yes, Clown if you're reading this, you may post that photo fgs.) divide, rather than a religion/cultural divide, I feel that it was the land owners and the workers, rather than the Protestants and the Catholics, in the British Empire, there was chances for ethnic minorities to succeed in society, such as in South Africa and India, but the thing that got them was unity, Ireland - Religion, India + SA - Race, that's my two cents, it's open for discussion, it's basically a case of the good old British High-horse.

 

[Raven]

i don't see them as mistakes, the army went in to stop the two most bigotted cultures on the planet smashing the fuck out of each other and it all got a bit heavy handed for many reasons, one being the catlicks were so entrenched in hatred and the Prodies just thought they were sub human, so it turned to crap and it's our fault.
It was council estate bigottry gone crazy.
It's not about her uncle. I'm talking about the people blown to fucking bits in the streets of England and Ireland, I'm old enough to remember the scenes of fireman scrapping remains off the streets with shovels and all those maimed for life and that fucking whore has the cheek to show his face, I'd shoot his frickin kids then him.

That moment when facepalm.jpeg just doesn't cover it.

 

[Job]

Yeah Yeah, William of Orange an all, everyone's got a horrific tale to tell when you go that far back, how that excuses blowing people to bits, bearing in mind a bomb kills the nearby, then blows bits off, then blinds and deafens, then scars fior life and then traumatises for life.
He oversaw that evil carnage, set a bomb and walk away, just the lowest of the low and he get's to shake the Queens hand.
Actually the turning point for me was Patriot games, the first US movie to attack the IRA and show them for what they were, they ruined their own country, ran it like gangsters, no better than Mexican drug cartels.

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah Yeah, William of Orange an all, everyone's got a horrific tale to tell when you go that far back, how that excuses blowing people to bits, bearing in mind a bomb kills the nearby, then blows bits off, then blinds and deafens, then scars fior life and then traumatises for life.
He oversaw that evil carnage, set a bomb and walk away, just the lowest of the low and he get's to shake the Queens hand.

In that case Nelson Mandela shouldn't be able to shake her hand either?

He fought for his freedom as a Irishman, I really can't think of a better leading character than someone who FIGHTS for their freedom, it's not like he did it for a laugh, or because some religious fanatic told him to, it was for freedom.

 

[Raven]

Probably the same excuse as a soldier would use for beating a civilian to death for no reason?

 

[cHodAX]

Yeah Yeah, William of Orange an all, everyone's got a horrific tale to tell when you go that far back, how that excuses blowing people to bits, bearing in mind a bomb kills the nearby, then blows bits off, then blinds and deafens, then scars fior life and then traumatises for life.
He oversaw that evil carnage, set a bomb and walk away, just the lowest of the low and he get's to shake the Queens hand.

What are you on about? This goes back many hundreds of years before William of Orange. You need to do some reading before you post anymore.

 

[throdgrain]

Lmfao, you're funny.

They were Catholics, we went over there, supported a small amount of Protestants, and made them the 'elite' of Ireland, gave them land etc, and when it wasn't the Protestants, it was simply English people, when the Famine came around, we didn't help them, that's why they're bitter with us.

Personally, I feel that a majority of the land-owning British saw it as a class(Yes, Clown if you're reading this, you may post that photo fgs.) divide, rather than a religion/cultural divide, I feel that it was the land owners and the workers, rather than the Protestants and the Catholics, in the British Empire, there was chances for ethnic minorities to succeed in society, such as in South Africa and India, but the thing that got them was unity, Ireland - Religion, India + SA - Race, that's my two cents, it's open for discussion, it's basically a case of the good old British High-horse.

That's not strictly true, the way I understood it lots of aid was sent to Ireland, but was kept by the authorites. (Sounds familiar!)

The only way we can ever move past all this is to forgive and forget, if the Queen can shake the hand of a man who may have been complicit in the murder of her Uncle then what at example she has set for the rest of us. Good on her.

This, however, probably sums it all up best.

 

[Raven]

Anyway, I don't condone the IRAs actions but I certainly understand their motives...they were fighting a cruel, occupying force at the end of the day.

The IRA have disarmed and joined the peace process, we should and have welcomed that.

 

[cHodAX]

Anyway, I don't condone the IRAs actions but I certainly understand their motives...they were fighting a cruel, occupying force at the end of the day.

Massive fault on both sides, just glad it is being put to bed by the people who matter most.

 

[Gwadien]

That's not strictly true, the way I understood it lots of aid was sent to Ireland, but was kept by the authorites. (Sounds familiar!)

That's my point - the authorities WERE English + Protestants, Catholicism was the uniting force.

 

[Job]

In that case Nelson Mandela shouldn't be able to shake her hand either?.

Don't start me on Nelson Mandela, he is the mother of all kid killing bomber turned world hero.

 

[Raven]

and he's black.

 

[Gwadien]

Don't start me on Nelson Mandela, he is the mother of all kid killing bomber turned world hero.

So there should still be apartheid or should they have kept asking until they got it?

Jesus Christ, no wonder it's so easy for the Government these days to just bring out legislation limiting our rights, as people just bend over and accept it.

 

[Scouse]

They're both shitheads.


Edit:

Nelson Mandela shouldn't be able to shake her hand either

He's a child-murdering shithead too. I support his cause, but he's still a murderer.

 

[Gwadien]

They're both shitheads.

Was wondering how long it would take Captain Commie to arrive xo

 

[Job]

The 'occupying force' were in their own country, it's called northern ireland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/14/newsid_4075000/4075437.stm

 

[Cerb]

That didn't even make me mad....just laughed.

You poor, poor ignorant man. From now on the only response you are going to get from me is pity.