The power of buffs

[hotrat]

Ok last night on gorre i respecced my minstrel to 50 thrust. Duelled for a while, great fun.

Then my friends logs his cleric in and respecs to 40 enhance 35 rejuv. He says he wants to test his buffs so buffs me to the eyeballs

I decide i need a worthy opponent and choose Wuren
Was a bad start cus i wanted to duel him but so did Gunner i think and we both started hitting him
Well he rested then he chose me and we fought, i used some styles at the start (tranquilize -> wyvernfang) but wuren just kept missing me or i kept blocking. After a while wuren was kinda dieing a lot and i was still very much alive so i stopped using styles just to see, ended up with wuren almost dead and me still above 50% hits.
Now im not entirely sure if Wuren was using styles on me?

Anyway im like omg these buffs are pretty damn amazing so i test them on another target; Jozen. Similar kind of thing happened except Jozen slammed me at the start and got a few nasty hits in taking me down to 50% quite quickly, however i evaded and hit DF 4 times and it wasn't long before Jozen was backing away.

I then removed my buffs in front of both of them and they began chatting a lot; Jozen says something in a language .......
Wuren then beckons me again and procedes to hand my arse to me on a plate, even though i evaded and got a nice few DF's on him. He won with about 50% left.

In conclusion nerf buffbots :/

 

[Eleasias]

buffs > fair play

 

[Novamir]

4 DFs? how? can you get in more than one reactionary style if the opponent is stunned off the same opening? if so: omg :>

it's true about buffs, anyone who claims that they hardly make any difference is sorely mistaken

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

44 enhance = 75 str/con & dex/qui & 50 single stat
last af
value 9 health regen buff

PWN ^^

 

[old.Odysseus]

fair play

Whats that? Something you can eat? Pie?

 

[hotrat]

If i evade, i can keep using any evade style until the target hits me again.
Was hitting for around 150-200 dmg per DF.

 

[amphetamine]

yup its obvious buffs make a huge difference, maybe now some people will think twice before saying people who are buffed to the teeth are great players. I think hotrats post pretty much explains what a buffed minstrel can do.

 

[old.Arnor]

scary thing is that the assassin classes get even more benefits from being buffed.
They say that a good-buffed infil can take any class 1vs1

When I get buffed from a dude with 37aug I gain about 600hps, and thats not even with the best baseline buffs.

Trust me 2230hps with IP takes a long time to hit down (unless your using Annihilation )

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Eleasias
buffs > fair play

Lucky you have self-buffs then, isn't it

 

[Apathy]

Tsk. Remove all buff spec-lines and give everyone self-buffs. That'll fix it.

Then clerics can spec smite/rejuv. Mwahaha.

a.
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[Alrindel]

Originally posted by Pin
Lucky you have self-buffs then, isn't it

A scout or hunter with a level 20 buffbot probably has better buffs than a level 50 ranger, but there's no loophole in the game to give rangers 42 shield, or spec in spear, or a pet.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Novamir
4 DFs? how? can you get in more than one reactionary style if the opponent is stunned off the same opening? if so: omg :>

it's true about buffs, anyone who claims that they hardly make any difference is sorely mistaken

Yeah styles work like that. I could get 4 beartooths off a block on my minstrel on mobs with a quick weapon.

 

[amphetamine]

Originally posted by Alrindel

A scout or hunter with a level 20 buffbot probably has better buffs than a level 50 ranger, but there's no loophole in the game to give rangers 42 shield, or spec in spear, or a pet.

hehe pet heheh too funny, please dont incluse hunters in the archer conversation, they are nothing close to the scout or ranger

 

[old.Nol]

hehe pet heheh too funny, please dont incluse hunters in the archer conversation, they are nothing close to the scout or ranger

The distinguishing characteristic is Archery, because it has beastcraft does that mean it is not the same?

 

[amphetamine]

hunters are a very poor class compared to the other archers, they cant melee as hard yet there suppose to, they have shorter range and damage with bows, they only get evade II when the others get evade 3, the pets are green con and give them away in stealth. self buffs with beastcraft would result in low spear which would make the hunter even weaker. Also hunter is the only rogue class not capable of holding a shield.

Scout gets stun from shield skill for 9 seconds

ranger gets self buffs at lv29 which a hunter would have to get lv5 in the aug dex etc etc to be on equal par

 

[Alrindel]

Sorry, I made my point badly - I took the archer classes as an example because scout and ranger had already been brought up. What I meant to say is that for better or worse, the game designers have tried to give classes strengths and weaknesses that make them all different. Rangers and other self-buffing classes get those abilities at the cost of the other things they DON'T get. Classes that can't self-buff get abilities to compensate. The only way to have true class balance that nobody can whine about is to play a game like quake where there is only one player class, with different skins.

I understand the huge temptation to use a buffbot - only once in all the months I have been playing DAoC did I get the full gamut of druid buffs, but the difference it made was like night and day. But buffbot users should be honest to themselves about what they are doing. If a scout says he's just using a buffbot to compete on a level playing field with a ranger who has self-buffs then by his own "logic" he should refuse to carry a shield because that gives him an "unfair" advantage over the ranger, who can't spec in it and get slam.

 

[old.Nol]

That still doesn't make sense to me, minstrels get stealth, bards get heal, skalds get to run around without glowing bits and instruments. Weapon wise, armour wise they also different, however, their primary ability is "songs", so they are classified in the same group.

Hunters, Rangers and Scouts are all primary archers.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Novamir
4 DFs? how? can you get in more than one reactionary style if the opponent is stunned off the same opening? if so: omg :>

it's true about buffs, anyone who claims that they hardly make any difference is sorely mistaken

You can continue to use the same reactionary style until the target gets another combat round, so you can get multiple reactionaries off the same evade/block/whatever if you have faster weapons that your opponent. Of course if they are stunned from the first style you can go to town on them

 

[lofff]

As always been saying, buffs make THE difference.

Buffed assasins = shadow tanks (can solo whatever they want)




But i dont care anymore selfbuff pwns (won duels against fully buffed armsmen, zerkers, etc etc)

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Alrindel
If a scout says he's just using a buffbot to compete on a level playing field with a ranger who has self-buffs then by his own "logic" he should refuse to carry a shield because that gives him an "unfair" advantage over the ranger, who can't spec in it and get slam.

And the ranger shouldn't dual wield or use damage adds, and the scout should ony use a hunting bow.

Point is, they are different. Ranger is stronger if you don't have a buffbot, Scout is stronger if you do. Hunters are errr... in a sorry state

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Yep, I got buffed by the same cleric and started off with beating up a spearo with full health after i backed away from him because he was at no health, poisoned and stunned, he never even got to moose. I think I got off about 5-6 DF's in a row on him.
After I cancelled my buffs and tried again it didnt go so well *cough*..

300+ str
300+ dex
250+ con
200+ qui
1600+ weapskill
1550+ hp

Pretty damn nice on an infil I must say.

 

[old.Odysseus]

nerf sep.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
Yep, I got buffed by the same cleric and started off with beating up a spearo with full health after i backed away from him because he was at no health, poisoned and stunned, he never even got to moose. I think I got off about 5-6 DF's in a row on him.
After I cancelled my buffs and tried again it didnt go so well *cough*..

300+ str
300+ dex
250+ con
200+ qui
1600+ weapskill
1550+ hp

Pretty damn nice on an infil I must say.

Sorry, don't believe those numbers.

Briton with +10str at creation and Aug Str 2, with full buffs would only have 282 max str. 1600 WeapSkill is completely unattanable as an Inf (even less so as a slasher), I'd say you were closer to 1350 (and that would need you to have at least 60 modified slash spec). 1550 hitpoints looks reasonable enough. (Mine would be a bit over 1700 now fully buffed).

 

[old.Nol]

I don't think anyone can justify using buffbots as a "fair" practice, not that it will stop people from using them. The ony people that reckon buffbot users do not have an advantage, are the bot users. If that is the case, then why use them?

I have no respect for buffbot players.

 

[Wuren]

Yeah well u kinda freaked me out there hotrats, i missed 3 slams in a row (yes some shitty shield i dont know where from, 89 % qual, 25 % bonus) had almost none end left for styles but diddint think a minstrel would own me that bad

It's kinda funny to see ppl spam /beckons for duells and deny they are buffed.

XXXX hits you for 200 damage!
XXXX does another 30 damage to you

XXXX was just killed by "Someone"
XXXX loses their extra strength.
XXXX loses their extra health.
XXXX weapons returns to normal.

(hello Oklahoma)

 

[hotrat]

Ah thats why you didnt use any styles on me
I do seem to recall you changing between s&s and spear.

Oklahoma was buffed?
No wonder he owned so many people, my friend Saurons (lvl 50 merc) tried him and died in 2 or 3 rounds of combat, even using increased fumble.

 

[Novamir]

that happens so often in duels that i rarely try to slam now, especially not on assassins (unless they have jsut used a style which i know they get a defensive penalty too)

give slam a style bonus!

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Novamir
that happens so often in duels that i rarely try to slam now, especially not on assassins (unless they have jsut used a style which i know they get a defensive penalty too)

I never touch a style with a defensive penalty

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Ah yes, checked screenshot and I admit I remembered wrong.

1362 WeapSkill
1528 Hit Points

304 Str
240 Con
317 Dex
206 Qui

I was using a 89% qua drop weapon I got from a friend to test thrust as I tried respeccing to just that, thrust.
Still, amazing speed with 2.4 speed thruster in mainhand and MoA II coupled with 206 Qui.. Could barely keep up spamming styles so as not to hit unstyled.

 

[Novamir]

dueled a couple of infils who opened with PA, i had a much higher chance of beating those guys def penalty- slam higher chance- win