The lost art of overtaking

[Guest]

tbpfh i aint driven a car in about a year so i don't give a fuck, BUT....

if you were driving a smaller performing car (instead of a iirc 4 wheel drive 2.5 litre V6 thing) you _may_ not get as much shit from other road users if you overtake them.


please tell me the S3 isnt Yellow, PLEASE

 

[Wazzerphuk]

So you're making an already dangerous situation more dangerous? Well done. Its not your job to teach other drivers a lesson. Even if they're being a knob, two cars in motion isn't the environment to start giving out road safety advice.

Can't read? There's a fairly obvious "provided it is safe, obv" in there.

 

[DaGaffer]

tbpfh i aint driven a car in about a year so i don't give a fuck, BUT....

if you were driving a smaller performing car (instead of a iirc 4 wheel drive 2.5 litre V6 thing) you _may_ not get as much shit from other road users if you overtake them.


please tell me the S3 isnt Yellow, PLEASE

So what you're saying is, they're jealous. If that's true it's a sad indictment of British people, although to be honest I wouldn't be surprised. But in actual fact I don't think it has anything to do with jealousy; the S3 is pretty subtle as hot hatches go; I know it has 261bhp and 4WD, but the average punter doesn't. And its black (although I was really tempted by orange )

 

[DaGaffer]

Can't read? There's a fairly obvious "provided it is safe, obv" in there.

If you start accelerating when someone is coming past you, its by definition, not safe, so adding your little rider is irrelevant.

 

[Will]

At the end of the day, people in cars feel nice and safe in their protective metal cages, and it makes them behave like aggressive twats.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

If you start accelerating when someone is coming past you, its by definition, not safe, so adding your little rider is irrelevant.

Aye. But anything in a moving car is inherently unsafe. It's about risk management and awareness. By doing it, and I've only done it once, the driver behind soon realised how silly he was being, and settled behind me at a safe distance. It lasted a few seconds, stopped his danger on the road we were on, and possibly prevented him, or made him think, about future aggresion on the road. It's not like I'm some driving vigilante out to get people.

 

[Guest]

so, man in nice car that looks like it goes like shit of a stick but in a more demure way than an xr3i nutter job overtakes whiete van man or ford mundano, ofc drivers are goung to get annoyed, even if you are totally sdafe doing it, in my opinion, i had a Seat leon Cupra back in the day they first came out, and i got alot of this type of behavior. So i _do_ believe it iis a jealousy thing to a limited extend as well as the other drivers being retards.


but he ho, fuck em, just put it in 6th and floor it mate. Also turn the traction control off, thats for pansies...........

 

[DaGaffer]

so, man in nice car that looks like it goes like shit of a stick but in a more demure way than an xr3i nutter job overtakes whiete van man or ford mundano, ofc drivers are goung to get annoyed, even if you are totally sdafe doing it, in my opinion, i had a Seat leon Cupra back in the day they first came out, and i got alot of this type of behavior. So i _do_ believe it iis a jealousy thing to a limited extend as well as the other drivers being retards.


but he ho, fuck em, just put it in 6th and floor it mate. Also turn the traction control off, thats for pansies...........

Never got this in my 350Z though, which was FAR more lairy.

 

[Guest]

drove a silver one of those, well fkin nice, but they look like expensive pieces of kit and the people may not think you are going to drive it like a c_nt.

350Z > S3 in perception of person driving it from other road users pov. Dunno why, spose its a bit of the let the guy driving the Rolls Royce out of the junction and don't bother with the robin reliant behind him. If you know what i mean.....

 

[Scouse]

If you start accelerating when someone is coming past you, its by definition, not safe, so adding your little rider is irrelevant.

Got to agree 100% with DaGaffer here.

The safest thing to do is to let the twat past and carry on with your own journey. Any other action adds to the problems and makes an accident more likely.

If someone else is acting like a knob then the worst thing you can do is to try to outdo him...

 

[Scouse]

... the driver behind soon realised how silly he was being, and settled behind me at a safe distance. It lasted a few seconds, stopped his danger on the road we were on, and possibly prevented him, or made him think, about future aggresion on the road....

Lol!

What actually happened was you scared him, he sat behind you cursing your ass in seven different languages before going home and hitting the missus.

Nobody gets "told off" (other than by their parents or a teacher) and reacts the way you've just described

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Lol!

What actually happened was you scared him, he sat behind you cursing your ass in seven different languages before going home and hitting the missus.

Nobody gets "told off" (other than by their parents or a teacher) and reacts the way you've just described

I love the way you know what happened to a person in a scenario described to you on an internet forum. Your powers are truly immense: I think we have the first genuine psychic here on our very own FH.

 

[nath]

Gotta weigh in here: I'll quite happily drive in the middle lane of a 3 laner if the road is empty. Why? Why the fuck not? Bad habits my left bollock, I'm one of the safest most courteous drivers you could ever hope to encounter on the road and yes, if I even see a spec of another car in the rear view mirror, I'll move over to the left lane (don't start Scouse - accurate road terminology just means you're a pedantic spacko, not that you're a good driver ).

Anyway - driving in the middle of an empty motorway is a nice experience, if it's not *in any way* going to affect anyone else on the road, what the hell is the problem?

As for the original post - Gaff, I think that there are SO many ***** on the road who overtake dangerously, that it's like a conditioned response. I can understand that someone might just snap, even if your overtake is totally safe and legitimate.

On the other hand, the guy was probably just a fucking twat.



(Wazz... he has a point though, if someone's trying to bully you on the road and you stop him/her - do you honestly think they'll think anything other than "that guy is a wanker. grr!". People are *****, nothing changes that.)

 

[soze]

Y'see. This seems VERY reasonable. Except that it isn't.

You just have to accept that human beings aren't going to follow the speed limits. Ever. As much as you tell them to and as reasonable a request it may be.

Once you accept that you'll see that speed cameras punish people for being human whilst not doing anything to stop road deaths: as evidenced by the government's own figures.

Tom - wanna jump in??

They may not be perfect but getting rid is not the answer then the people who do 50 in a 30 will do it everywhere. Other than GPS in every car or more mobile cameras what else can they do?

 

[nath]

They may not be perfect but getting rid is not the answer then the people who do 50 in a 30 will do it everywhere. Other than GPS in every car or more mobile cameras what else can they do?

Get more traffic cops out there, they can determine who's driving dangerously and who's not, automated systems can't.

 

[Bodhi]

Gaff, overtaking means you aren't following the herd, thats just unacceptable in today's society. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go (As Go does not like to be overtaken either). Do not collect £200. You having money does not fit with our brothers in the Kremlin. Sorry, Parliament. It's like the people who don't grasp the concept "Merge in Turn". Y'know, the spacklords who will block the overtaking lane when approaching a contraflow to stop people merging at the end. I was 30 minutes late for a job interview because of a vigilante without a brain who blocked the outside lane of the A500 when they were digging it up. If he had allowed the lane I was in to merge with the other, I would have been on time.

One thing I love more than anything, is to be driving on an empty motorway in the correct lane (unless it's the M6 going North around Manchester, horrible lorry grooves on that one) and to come up behind a numpty in the middle lane, as this means it's lap time! The process for lapping a numpty is:-

1) Overtake numpty.
2) Pull into the left hand lane.
3) Slow down until numpty is going faster than you.
4) Allow numpty to pass.
5) Indicate and move into lane 3.
6) Repeat.

My record is 5 laps of a Rover driver before he got the message and pulled in.


Oh and to whoever it was who couldn't figure out why they were being undertaken, GET IN THE RIGHT FUCKING LANE YOU SPAZ. If someone's got enough time to undertake you, you had enough time to get out of the way of the faster traffic. I undertake regularly, and I know it's done in complete safety as well, cos the person I'm undertaken is turning right about a mile and a ahlf down the road and wants to be in the right lane good and early. Nothing boils my piss more, as it is the cause of half the congestion on the roads round here, it's shocking lane discipline and it's plain fucking bad manners. I always assume there will be someone faster on the road than me (I do drive a Punto after all), so always return to the correct lane after overtaking. Unless of course it's late at night and the dual carriageway has a racing lane, but that's something else entirely

 

[Deebs]

Fantastic thread.

Overtaking? Damn right and I will do it whenever I get the desire to do so. Once I have overtaken I return back to the left lane on a motorway until I need to move back out again.

Undertaking? If I have some twat sat in the middle or fast lane refusing to move over then yes I do. I really believe that it is something that they don't get taught when learning to drive today. Most people do not understand roads with more than 1 lane. The other day I joined the M3 southbound at J4a, this bird in the car in front joined the motorway (it was clear for about 1 mile ahead of us) and immediately joined the middle lane. WTF?!?!?! She kept to 60 so I made a point of going 70mph in the left hand lane and thus undertook her.

 

[DaGaffer]

We should do an FH trackday. Let off a bit of steam

 

[Deebs]

Hmm

That would be great. Done two Palmer race days and I can tell you it was the best ever fun. Formula 2000 rock. All the time in my mind I was saying "F**king have it you c**t" whilst overtaking everyone.

 

[soze]

Get more traffic cops out there, they can determine who's driving dangerously and who's not, automated systems can't.

I agree with that but first do something about the 30 minutes of paper work the poor gits have to do at every stop and it might work too

 

[Pfy]

I think Wazzerphuk is an arse for saying he 'speeds up to teach them a lesson', but I don't think he's the only person on these boards that has ever done this.

Anyway, nothing wrong with sitting in the middle lane at 80+ if your going consistently faster than the cars in the inside lane. Also, if it's an empty motorway, so fucking what. You want to overtake, go into the outside lane.

I reckon most people sit in the middle lane because they're terrified of when other cars joining the motorway. "Oh no. Whatever should I do!".

The only people on motorways and roads I ever really give a lot of space to are bikers. Not because I'm terrified I'll run them over, but because I hate cleaning my car at the best of times and I'm not sure how much effort cleaning thier blood off would be.

 

[Dukat]

The only people on motorways and roads I ever really give a lot of space to are bikers. Not because I'm terrified I'll run them over, but because I hate cleaning my car at the best of times and I'm not sure how much effort cleaning thier blood off would be.

Funny guy!

 

[Tom]

I overtake people all the time. There's nothing wrong with it. I used to get people flashing their lights and shaking coffee beans all the time in the TVR, that's fine, I just used to take it as a compliment on my excellent passing skills.

Wazz, you're an idiot for blocking overtakes. Overtaking is the most dangerous manoeuvre on the road. We don't need people making it more so. If someone wants to overtake you, let them, no matter what the danger.

I have had people accelerate as I've overtaken them. I imagine its because they have an extremely small brain. Its ok though as I have a much faster car than they do, I just laugh at their frustration.

Oh and Will, basically cyclists are just hippies who think that rules don't apply to them. Like the guy that ran a red light and was killed (in the news). I guess since I'm a car lover and cyclist that applies to me as well.

 

[Tom]

Oh and Bodhi check this out. Its like Red Bull for Coke lovers:



I had loads of the stuff. Its ace, and only in France so far as I can see.