The longer it takes us to log in - the more different new specs I keep making........

[Ucallme]

lol must of been crap you went alb for infil thinking great but my hunter still slap ya mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Hehe, yes I remember that fight actually... I played bad then and still was learning Infil. When I attacked you the first thing you did was pop your R5 ability then run back to Keep (Bled) on the hill swarming with guards whilst you put your pet dog on me, so me being me thinking I had no other choice apart from to chase you. When I got to you, you FZ me, then shot me with your arrows, hehe.

As for 'lol must of been crap (Shadowblade Spec) you went alb for infil'... Only thing I can comment on is the fact that only the Enemies I faught can only comment on how I did against them

Also I'd like to see you try me again though without your friends around, hehe.

Amphrax/Arauddry

 

[pip]

Hehe, yes I remember that fight actually... I played bad then and still was learning Infil. When I attacked you the first thing you did was pop your R5 ability then run back to Keep (Bled) on the hill swarming with guards whilst you put your pet dog on me, so me being me thinking I had no other choice apart from to chase you. When I got to you, you FZ me, then shot me with your arrows, hehe.

As for 'lol must of been crap (Shadowblade Spec) you went alb for infil'... Only thing I can comment on is the fact that only the Enemies I faught can only comment on how I did against them

Also I'd like to see you try me again though without your friends around, hehe.

Amphrax/Arauddry

you no i still lub ya /hug no shame slap bigc too how times change,and in rvr now for stealther wars no 1 is safe no 1

 

[Glacier]

zzzz, now its even more tempting to roll a sb and show you how strong 50 axe is. shame they will be so stupidly fotm, reverse the boosts. - the entire point is that axe frontal chain > any other anytime you have. that and anytime asd in axe is <3

Does the Pillager asd outperform the AH asd?
The Havoc-TF Slightly outperforms Garr+AH, note; slightly. (yes, have tested some around)

Going 50 weapon will boost your weaponskill using the styles AND unstyled.. and for anyone other than sb, this could be ph0n.-but:

Considering Leftaxe works different from CD/DW, speccing higher LA continues to increase your base damage as well as reducing your offhand damage variance.

So then; In my opinion, to get the best possible damage out of your Shadowblade, get your LA up as high as you can.

44/50 LA Would be a must if I was to decide, something i'm not. ( >< )

[By the way, if any of you's thinking about going sword for new st0n, forget it, the growth on CB/FG is way greater than frost cut/njords fury.]

Doublefrost vs Havoc.

Havoc and Doublefrost has the same to-hit rate.
Havoc gives you penalty to your defense, whereas Doublefrost dosent, thus giving you less chanse to land the everloving 7 sec stun after evade.
Havoc costs abit less end(only positive thing about this style).

Tyr's Fury outperforms both these styles tho, but going from a defense-penalty style, to this, just isnt worth it IMO.
And with all the walkthru etc going on, people are gonna get used to havoc having Tyr's folowup, and will be easily able to avoid that one, perhaps even the front positional opener

/edit spelling. Im le tired ;G

 

[Vodkafairy]

Does the Pillager asd outperform the AH asd?
The Havoc-TF Slightly outperforms Garr+AH, note; slightly. (yes, have tested some around)

both are 21% asd afaik. .75 > .90 gr frontal chain vs .75 > 1.03 gr garrote/ah

So then; In my opinion, to get the best possible damage out of your Shadowblade, get your LA up as high as you can.

agree, my choice would be 44 LA 50 axe.

Doublefrost vs Havoc.

Havoc and Doublefrost has the same to-hit rate.
Havoc gives you penalty to your defense, whereas Doublefrost dosent, thus giving you less chanse to land the everloving 7 sec stun after evade.
Havoc costs abit less end(only positive thing about this style).

defence penalty, afaik, has fuck all effect on evade. it has a very minor effect on flatout miss rates, but nothing to write home about.

Tyr's Fury outperforms both these styles tho, but going from a defense-penalty style, to this, just isnt worth it IMO.
And with all the walkthru etc going on, people are gonna get used to havoc having Tyr's folowup, and will be easily able to avoid that one, perhaps even the front positional opener

shouldnt be too hard to land both styles, atleast it wasnt bad at all for me. on the freeshard i played there is extremely low ping though, its probably a lot harder on cluster. but still..

 

[Jox]

both are 21% asd afaik. .75 > .90 gr frontal chain vs .75 > 1.03 gr garrote/ah



agree, my choice would be 44 LA 50 axe.



defence penalty, afaik, has fuck all effect on evade. it has a very minor effect on flatout miss rates, but nothing to write home about.



shouldnt be too hard to land both styles, atleast it wasnt bad at all for me. on the freeshard i played there is extremely low ping though, its probably a lot harder on cluster. but still..

44 laxe/50 axe? .....

 

[Glacier]

Thing is tho, the DoL/Utopia System (what freeshards currently run on, Im guessing you tried it out on Instant50? love the ping there), is not properly configured for composite speccing.
So in most cases, yeah going full out weapon will be the better of the two on there.

By the way VF, im not dissing your spec, not at all, its all down to preferance.

Im just saying it may not be 'lè saviour' beacause of one chain.

I like the way you are able to keep a discussion going without going verbally abusive, like most knots on here ^^

/edit sawdust in my eyes :f

 

[Jox]

both are 21% asd afaik. .75 > .90 gr frontal chain vs .75 > 1.03 gr garrote/ah



agree, my choice would be 44 LA 50 axe.



defence penalty, afaik, has fuck all effect on evade. it has a very minor effect on flatout miss rates, but nothing to write home about.



shouldnt be too hard to land both styles, atleast it wasnt bad at all for me. on the freeshard i played there is extremely low ping though, its probably a lot harder on cluster. but still..

freeshard here... freeshard there... fuck your freeshard.

 

[Vodkafairy]

freeshard here... freeshard there... fuck your freeshard.

and fuck your useless replies? bring up a good argument for a change, might be nice. guess thats too much to ask for though

a lot of arguments i gave have nothing to do with freeshards, its just plain facts about the diff speclines, but whatever

 

[rvn]

why ever give up higher GR on evade chain for an front pos that does less dmg than CS anytime chain? (especially since with the change on how reactive styles work its REALLY easy to get reactives off.)

 

[Vodkafairy]

preference?

 

[rvn]

yeah i guess you could use a sword with good looks instead of one with good stats aswell i guess :>

 

[adoNix]

Nice touch... to ask non-sbs about spec := ...lawl!

Who the hell are you? i mean i cant see other than negative reply's and whine from you in any threads. go away...

 

[xxManiacxx]

Have already tried 50axe 44la specc.

Axe frontal chain wasnt worth it imo.

 

[Mavericky]

With SB's becoming fotm i think any spec will work, will be nothing solo left to kill anyway

About the defence penalty thing that vodka mentioned. In PvE i know that if i use a style with a defence penalty (as all of mine are on hunter) i dont evade half as much as if i use one without a penalty. I guess that happens pve only?

 

[Jox]

and fuck your useless replies?

Agree, got debuffed by starkcider.

50 Axe was great, but then Wyrd came

Havoc/tors fury migth outperform garrote/achilles slightly BUT aint a serious option because of;

1. Wyrd.
2. Garrote have a nice snare-effect.
3. Achilles have a nice speed-debuff.
4. They work from any angle.

Today I use doublefrost as anytimer, but I will prolly respec to
Sword 30, Laxe 39, CS 47, Env 29, Stealth 29 in rr 11 and get +11 in CS in my template so I can start using garrote/Achilles again.

A sidenote; I tried Stealth 50+20 the other day. Wanted to see if it gave any benefit But nope, the difference was minimal.

 

[Puppet]

why ever give up higher GR on evade chain for an front pos that does less dmg than CS anytime chain? (especially since with the change on how reactive styles work its REALLY easy to get reactives off.)

Indeed, I was wondering the same thing. You give up damage on the anytime-chain and access to the way better evade-styles, who now have an absorb-debuff.

Not to mention the used Axe-chain isnt really anytime, so when fighting some notorious strafers you even might fail it, and you're back to hitting Doublefrost (or Plague).

And the 2H-damage bonus you gain from speccing 51 modified ---> 50 base is very little, and not worth it. Therefore specs like 50 Sword 44 CS are useless, you're better off going 32 Sword 50 CS for example.

 

[Vladamir]

You're one of the most arrogant fucks i've ever read Jox

 

[pip]

Illu:

Ever considered:
31+19 [50]Stealth
32+19 [51]Sword
35+19 [54]Critical Strike
50+19 [69]Left Axe
28+19 [47]Envenom


?
I know I would deffo go for the one above.

yep think thats prob best way

 

[lpep]

Bottom line.. is there realy aperfect specc? we all play diferantly..... untill rr 5 i was 44 sword 44 crit 35 env 35 stealth.. think abouit la... enjoyed it wich is the main point i guess ....going to try something along the lines

 

[rvn]

all depends how you define perfect.'

if perfect = most fun

or

perfect = most effective

 

[Cruhar]

Most fun is to win I guess... and to win you have to be effective?

and an effective killer, must be a perfect killer ,, either you die, or you dont...

so...

Most effective = most fun = perfect... yes?

or do you mean effective as in ...
Winning with 10% health left... or... Winning with 50% health left?

in that case, who cares? you won

( Note: I didnt mention anything about amount of enemies)

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

I am not too bothered about 2H SBs TBH. If anything it's going to be good for Scouts. I'll just Rapid Fire them out of stealth and my high Dex and Shield will stop them spanking me silly in melee.

As long as it's a 1v1 of course

 

[Vodkafairy]

would be fun to use assassination on a sb, 2 x 2h pa of doom. with a 3 sl item template ofc

 

[Vipr]

I am not too bothered about 2H SBs TBH. If anything it's going to be good for Scouts. I'll just Rapid Fire them out of stealth and my high Dex and Shield will stop them spanking me silly in melee.

rofl

 

[xxManiacxx]

I am not too bothered about 2H SBs TBH. If anything it's going to be good for Scouts. I'll just Rapid Fire them out of stealth and my high Dex and Shield will stop them spanking me silly in melee.

As long as it's a 1v1 of course

Try to block after being ws debuffed

 

[Lomme]

Try to block after being ws debuffed

it affects block rate aswell?

 

[illu]

Bearing in mind these changes:
Critical Strike Style Changes
A new stackable absorption debuff has been added to the Critical Strike line in the following manner :
8 Pincer - Opening : Side - Effect : absorption decrease 1%
29 Leaper - Opening : Hamstring - Effect : absorption decrease 2%
44 Rib Separation - Opening : Leaper - Effect : absorption decrease 5%

Maybe I'll go something like this:

31+19 [50]Stealth (I'll have to redo template as I only have +10 in template)
31+19 [50]Sword (The difference between 51 and 50 is negligible)
44+19 [63]Critical Strike (Nice Garotte's/AH and CS line)
39+19 [58]Left Axe (Frosty Gaze)
31+19 [50]Envenom (everything)

This means I lose out on my lovely Icy Brilliance and lose 4LA (I can live with that) - but would have to "learn" to use the CS chain more and somehow also try and fit in the Frosty Gaze off Comeback in there somewhere .


So I suppose a "text book" fight will go something like this:
PA->CD->SS
Garotte->AH (Pincer in here somewhere?)
EVADE Hamstring->Leaper->Rib Separation
EVADE Comback->Frosty Gaze->run thru->Backstyle Snowsquall (and get Icy Brilliance back at rr11 ^^) (except the target will probably still be stun immune ^^)

I suppose this is "the way forward". See what happens :>

Oli - Illu