the joys of being a mid stealther... (only for professional whiners)

[Marath]

LA got nerfed because was overpowered that all i said. It wasnt before end regen , but with endregen was overpowered combo.

Good thing they changed both LA and end regen then.

Yeah right i forgot to mention that SMs pets are overpowered too, thank you for bringing it on.

Intercept is great.
Talking about overpowered its too bad they dont chain stun like caba pets.


But I think the subject was mid stealthers sucking.
Keep the good crap rolling.

 

[Cylian]

how does a straight out (no PA etc) fight between an infil and a SB end when:

the SB purges the debuff
got haste and AF charge up
gains extra AF by Gov reactive

the Infil gets Heat debuffed on first hit
gets Str/Con debuffed (no purge)
takes an AF Debuff

just wondering, since it's all so balance.

 

[Reebs]

iiih, my ubargimped infil I rolled on gorre does more damage then this and I dont have capped skill nor buffs..I dont even have capped str :EEE

I was actually considering buying a lvl 50 acc. cheapest possible to delete and exp an infil on pryd but then I realised I would not get a fixed expgroup and PvE is suckyass (I HATE TOA SO FUCKING MUCH)

 

[Sagano]

2x bof and 1x sos and then still whine about zerker and savage rofl

 

[emma]

Why one earth do we (SB's) even bother trying to get our point across anymore!.

People who have played infils for months/years really dont give a rats ass about there class being balanced or not aslong as they can go out and earn there daily realmpoint fix, they dont care.

After being out for almost 4 years now, DAoC still has some major balance issue's and instead of something that gets improved on, Mythic have only made things worse through expansions and class tweak's.

Assassin balance was at its best (least unbalanced) prior to patch 1.50 (pre-LA boost, RA's, ToA shite etc etc). Everything since then has just made the Shadowblade class less and less powerfull. Sure ToA items and Legendary Weapons helped, but that was only versus players who didn't have the time to get those items themself.

Now that everyone has ToA items and/or Legendary Weapons, were right back at square one where Shadowblades are back down at the bottom of the food chain.

Im sure mythic will do something at some point in time to fix these balance issues, but for me and quiet possible many other people, these changes will come just to late to redeem the games fun.

Its depressing as hell logging onto Gorre, rolling a slash infil and finding out this "gimped" class with no ToA items, unbuffed, with piss poor stats/resists can out damage my ToA'd through the nose, LG Weapons Galor and buffed to the tits SB.

But thats that, and i'll just gladly tag along, reading all the posts by infils who claim there "fine" and "balanced" only to secretly be hiding, waiting to pounce out and say "I TOLD YOU SO" when they do get nurfed.

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

www.novator.se/daoc/ouch.jpg

givf that fking skin!!
sum1 tell me where to get it pwease :wub:

 

[Corran]

Why one earth do we (SB's) even bother trying to get our point across anymore!.

People who have played infils for months/years really dont give a rats ass about there class being balanced or not aslong as they can go out and earn there daily realmpoint fix, they dont care.

After being out for almost 4 years now, DAoC still has some major balance issue's and instead of something that gets improved on, Mythic have only made things worse through expansions and class tweak's.

Assassin balance was at its best (least unbalanced) prior to patch 1.50 (pre-LA boost, RA's, ToA shite etc etc). Everything since then has just made the Shadowblade class less and less powerfull. Sure ToA items and Legendary Weapons helped, but that was only versus players who didn't have the time to get those items themself.

Now that everyone has ToA items and/or Legendary Weapons, were right back at square one where Shadowblades are back down at the bottom of the food chain.

Im sure mythic will do something at some point in time to fix these balance issues, but for me and quiet possible many other people, these changes will come just to late to redeem the games fun.

Its depressing as hell logging onto Gorre, rolling a slash infil and finding out this "gimped" class with no ToA items, unbuffed, with piss poor stats/resists can out damage my ToA'd through the nose, LG Weapons Galor and buffed to the tits SB.

But thats that, and i'll just gladly tag along, reading all the posts by infils who claim there "fine" and "balanced" only to secretly be hiding, waiting to pounce out and say "I TOLD YOU SO" when they do get nurfed.

The game never been balanced, when one area was another wasnt. Anyways, what does it matter how strong or weak a sb is solo, you never see them like that anyways. Solo up runs along road, que 3 stealthers to PA them, dead alb lays on the floor, que 3 stealthers running and laugh spamming.

Though this happens to all realms solo people no doubt so it pointless even arguing for balance as people will always work an advantage wether it be numbers or a slightly more powerful class. Daoc is about winning for most people and they dont care how they do it. Just got to live with it or quit. Either way you aint gonna make a difference by complaining here.

 

[Invisibul]

take away most of the toa stuff and sb arn't too bad, i made a norse sb on Gorre, almost all resists capped, all skills capped, 50 axe, 50 LA.. 1634 WS
kinda pwnd, imo Comeback > FG (run thru) > Snowsquall > Icy Brilliance does alot of dmg, 1600+ ws on sb kinda rox, should try it, 15 str 10 con at creation, also aug str 3, had 2060 hp ish (not that good i know, still 300 more than my inf on gorre), 670AF with a charge, dunno if thats good or not.

But the point i'm making is, sb's to me, dont suck as much as ppl make out, just need to find good spec, dont underestimate 50 LA and no CS, the dmg is fairly nice.

yeh yeh buffed on gorre, had to be otherwise couldn't try give sb's something to think about, if its possible on gorre i'm sure its possible normally.

 

[Eden]

Its higher now xD

1680.

Give NF and its even higher

sure with MoS1 Purge1 Viper 1 Vanish 1 im sure u can get higher WS

 

[Aussie]

go level your hastebot m8, maybe that'll help

 

[xxManiacxx]

take away most of the toa stuff and sb arn't too bad, i made a norse sb on Gorre, almost all resists capped, all skills capped, 50 axe, 50 LA.. 1634 WS
kinda pwnd, imo Comeback > FG (run thru) > Snowsquall > Icy Brilliance does alot of dmg, 1600+ ws on sb kinda rox, should try it, 15 str 10 con at creation, also aug str 3, had 2060 hp ish (not that good i know, still 300 more than my inf on gorre), 670AF with a charge, dunno if thats good or not.

But the point i'm making is, sb's to me, dont suck as much as ppl make out, just need to find good spec, dont underestimate 50 LA and no CS, the dmg is fairly nice.

yeh yeh buffed on gorre, had to be otherwise couldn't try give sb's something to think about, if its possible on gorre i'm sure its possible normally.

well to be able to specc 50/50 as a SB u have to neglect CS completely and almost env completly. Why not roll a zerker instead?

 

[Cylian]

updated the pic a bit

 

[emma]

The game never been balanced, when one area was another wasnt. Anyways, what does it matter how strong or weak a sb is solo, you never see them like that anyways. Solo up runs along road, que 3 stealthers to PA them, dead alb lays on the floor, que 3 stealthers running and laugh spamming.

Though this happens to all realms solo people no doubt so it pointless even arguing for balance as people will always work an advantage wether it be numbers or a slightly more powerful class. Daoc is about winning for most people and they dont care how they do it. Just got to live with it or quit. Either way you aint gonna make a difference by complaining here.

I did quit in august this year, not only that i DID solo. infact i solo'd for a good part of 3 years before quitting. I just noticed your an Alb also, so what exactly do you know about playing an SB ? little to nothing i guess. Playing one on Gorre is nothing like playing one on live. Everyone is pretty much equal on gorre. everyone has crap items, weapons, resists so everything die's fast. Fastforward to the live servers where stealthers have huge ammounts of hp through ToA items, capped resists, capped skills, ML's, ToA items etc. Then things become a different story.

Just look at Cylian's updated picture. hitting Arauddry for 180 mainhand with a heat weapon while Arauddry hits back for 300+ mainhand ? Now as far as the games mechanics are concerned Cylian should of had a 5% bonus to Arauddry damage wise. But ofcourse the relics solved that problem.

SB's are and will remain the weakest of the assassins until something is done about it. I know and most "sane" people know that also. It's the kiddies who dont want there uber l33t Infil "fixed" who will stay and defend there class regardless of it being overpowered or not.

 

[Werewolf]

I recon Vermillon said Bds are overpowered lets see bds have uhm 1.5k hp roughly then u have a smart infil aka he puts on str con debuff and disease... Infil Pas for 1k dmg if it would be arauddry she would 1 shot the poor bastard as we saw a few times in her movie. ok now the bd got 500 hp left and is diseased pets dont heal much he gets in 1 lifetape with resits upp on u its about 240 dmg approc bd got 800 hp at this time u smack in cd for 500 dmg bd got 300 pets heal bd got 450 u smack in SS style bd got 150 left one anytimer bd is dead
woila was it that hard ? ofc if bd uses purge u might die but hey thatrs on 30 min timer

 

[inqy]

take away most of the toa stuff and sb arn't too bad, i made a norse sb on Gorre, almost all resists capped, all skills capped, 50 axe, 50 LA.. 1634 WS
kinda pwnd, imo Comeback > FG (run thru) > Snowsquall > Icy Brilliance does alot of dmg, 1600+ ws on sb kinda rox, should try it, 15 str 10 con at creation, also aug str 3, had 2060 hp ish (not that good i know, still 300 more than my inf on gorre), 670AF with a charge, dunno if thats good or not.

But the point i'm making is, sb's to me, dont suck as much as ppl make out, just need to find good spec, dont underestimate 50 LA and no CS, the dmg is fairly nice.

yeh yeh buffed on gorre, had to be otherwise couldn't try give sb's something to think about, if its possible on gorre i'm sure its possible normally.

ahh your right. your 5mins of pwning people with no resists and with a spec no sb in their right mind would use must be the best.


buffed vs unbuffed you tested you numpty.

I tried an unbuffed (I'm not going to take up 2 spots on a test server when others couldn't get on), Infil 50thrust 39cs + other stuff. I was handing hunters and sbs their asses. Only time I had a problem was when I met buffed assassins and believe me you knew who they were. I always wanted to try an infil to know how easy they are and I gotta say it was absolutely easy to kill with. I logged in disgust.

 

[Cylian]

Ff

I recon Vermillon said Bds are overpowered lets see bds have uhm 1.5k hp roughly then u have a smart infil aka he puts on str con debuff and disease... Infil Pas for 1k dmg if it would be arauddry she would 1 shot the poor bastard as we saw a few times in her movie. ok now the bd got 500 hp left and is diseased pets dont heal much he gets in 1 lifetape with resits upp on u its about 240 dmg approc bd got 800 hp at this time u smack in cd for 500 dmg bd got 300 pets heal bd got 450 u smack in SS style bd got 150 left one anytimer bd is dead
woila was it that hard ? ofc if bd uses purge u might die but hey thatrs on 30 min timer

forget the Str/Con debuff, put a mezz poison on the mainhand, PA while moving through the BD while you got a haste charge going and the BD has the chance of a snowball in hell. Even if he purges, the pets aren't going to heal for the next 10sec atleast, and the Lifetap is on a fixed 4s.

 

[inqy]

So the only times SB is fun is when you 2 shot someone and they can only hit back for 1/10th your health before dying.. yep you're definitely after balance then

Your describing an infil. I didn't say I wanted this all the time or any of the time. That is not balance.

I was shocked by the dmg and then I realised he was low rr, crap resists + my spec being Critblade helped a tad no? There was a infil that was stood nearby to him that 3/4 shotted me after that. (he didn't pa or backstab)

I enjoy my sb when I actually make a kill and that isn't that easy, but when it happens it does make it worth playing is what I meant

 

[Ilum]

Why one earth do we (SB's) even bother trying to get our point across anymore!.

People who have played infils for months/years really dont give a rats ass about there class being balanced or not aslong as they can go out and earn there daily realmpoint fix, they dont care.

After being out for almost 4 years now, DAoC still has some major balance issue's and instead of something that gets improved on, Mythic have only made things worse through expansions and class tweak's.

Assassin balance was at its best (least unbalanced) prior to patch 1.50 (pre-LA boost, RA's, ToA shite etc etc). Everything since then has just made the Shadowblade class less and less powerfull. Sure ToA items and Legendary Weapons helped, but that was only versus players who didn't have the time to get those items themself.

Now that everyone has ToA items and/or Legendary Weapons, were right back at square one where Shadowblades are back down at the bottom of the food chain.

Im sure mythic will do something at some point in time to fix these balance issues, but for me and quiet possible many other people, these changes will come just to late to redeem the games fun.

Its depressing as hell logging onto Gorre, rolling a slash infil and finding out this "gimped" class with no ToA items, unbuffed, with piss poor stats/resists can out damage my ToA'd through the nose, LG Weapons Galor and buffed to the tits SB.

But thats that, and i'll just gladly tag along, reading all the posts by infils who claim there "fine" and "balanced" only to secretly be hiding, waiting to pounce out and say "I TOLD YOU SO" when they do get nurfed.

I believe you when you say Shadowblade is gimped and should balanced with an Infiltrator. However, I think the overpopulation of stealthers in general is a much bigger issue, and needs to be dealt with first :]

 

[Sagano]

agree 2fg at milegates is ZZZZZ
even up to places like stonevalley and levians

really enjoyable

 

[emma]

I believe you when you say Shadowblade is gimped and should balanced with an Infiltrator. However, I think the overpopulation of stealthers in general is a much bigger issue, and needs to be dealt with first :]

The over population of stealthers is due to many different things.

Namely, there incredibly easy to solo with, there effective at what they do (unless your a mid ;p), most casual gamers play stealthers because they just can't compete in regular RvR.

The state of group based RvR in its current form forced alot of people to play stealthers because they had no other choice. If people didnt take RvR so seriously then im sure this problem wouldnt be so bad. Even for me after playing a stealther for 3 years and rolling multiple group based characters (Berzerker, Savage (yeah yeah i know fotm mania), Warrior, Mercenary, Shaman) it was incredibly hard to get an RvR group that could actually do anything in emain, even when in several high profile guilds it was often easier to just log on a stealther and play instead of hang around for hours just get into an rvr group.

It's the short commings of the games design that contributed to the over population of stealthers, which along side albion having the highest population on most if not all servers and the best assassin class out of the three really didnt help things at all.

There is no way of fixing these problems without seriously nurfing stealth and the stealth class's which unfortunatly would have the side effect of alot of people leaving the game, specifically those that play a stealther as there main character and possibly there only character.

New Frontiers moved in the right direction regarding stealthers in that they will be much easier to avoid and only those with the patience of a saint will continue to solo due to NF's size. But as a side effect to that alot of stealthers will group up and "camp" area's where people/groups have to move through.

DAoC is too far down the line for any drastic changes to class's now, but its sad to say that is the only way Mythic will ever get this game remotely near to balanced.

 

[Vladamir]

Rule of the thumb, don't fucking whine. If you don't enjoy your class, play a different one. Did Steveh go on and on and on when his armsman became useless?. No, he rolled a sorc instead, and he enjoys it (presumably ). Once my scout hit 50 and i was getting pwnd in RvR by assasins, i decided a different approach and rolled an infil which i'm happy with when i play the stealth game. However getting tired of waiting at mg's for the odd soloer to get zerged and giving sub 100rps gets tiresome, so i rolled a merc . Whining achieves nothing but flame baiting as you can see. If you don't like the way the game is, the feedback form on Camelot Herald is there for your use.

 

[Cylian]

but flame and whine threads are more enjoyable than the reasonable ones!

And they are more active and live faaaar longer!

 

[Azathrim]

Besides, if a Mid stealther makes a reasonable post about stealther balance, the Albs will just dub it a whine, no matter the content.

Thus, if you agree witih something, it's a reasonable post.
If you disagree it's a whine.

And if you don't have the ability to form an educated oppinion or just refrain from posting, you are probably just sko.

 

[Cylian]

for those that think that Realm Rank matters:

dual heat thruster against something like 50% Heat resist (just outside mpk)

best of it: Infil got a whooping 2k RPs! ... well, now 3k I guess.

 

[bigchief]

sure with MoS1 Purge1 Viper 1 Vanish 1 im sure u can get higher WS

I have str3 dex3, if you bother to look what happens to them in NF you'll notice im gaining 6stat in each

for those that think that Realm Rank matters:

dual heat thruster against something like 50% Heat resist (just outside mpk)

best of it: Infil got a whooping 2k RPs! ... well, now 3k I guess.

You got pwned by the random generator. I notice you conveniantly forget our fight on sunday when you were the one chaining evades and so won. But thats not a whine right, so can't count. If its done against you (I also notice alot of heat debuffs going off) its 'inbalanced', if you win because you do it its ok and wont get mentioned.

You taking lessons from Emma?

 

[emma]

I have str3 dex3, if you bother to look what happens to them in NF you'll notice im gaining 6stat in each



You got pwned by the random generator. I notice you conveniantly forget our fight on sunday when you were the one chaining evades and so won. But thats not a whine right, so can't count. If its done against you (I also notice alot of heat debuffs going off) its 'inbalanced', if you win because you do it its ok and wont get mentioned.

You taking lessons from Emma?

Chain evades are pure luck for an SB. because we face a larger penalty from enervating, higher weaponskill on our enemies (infils) and to round it off. Higher AF on our enemies.

AF is a determining factor in your hit/miss rate, higher AF = less likely to get hit.

Considering SB's have lower AF than Infils because of spec AF which coupled with MoTA 5 and 25% bonus means you will always have higher AF than us no matter what we do.

if you would like to test this out i'll gladly borrow a friends account to get onto Gorre and test it. Think 500 odd swings should be sufficient to tell who much AF affects hit/miss rate.

 

[Vladamir]

Yes because so many bots have Mota 5

 

[Cylian]

naw, running through therefor producing unstyled hits <shrug>

not exactly a clean fight ... but it's not like infils are interested in fair fights.

 

[Yeke]

Owned an infil last night with my shadowblade, was hitting him for around 250 MH and 130 offhand and he returned similar damage to me (roughly) I was kinda shocked tbh, I killed him and had 40% hp left it was at that point I realised he didnt have a single buff.

How do you guys think an unbuffed sb would do against a fully buffed infil? pretty sure I wouldnt get him close to 40% hp before he killed me tbh I'd count myself lucky if I hit him at all.

 

[Cylian]

little update, what happens if I use a Heat LG against Biggie

500dmg PA

~180 dmg for CD/SS/Garrotte/AH each

+90ish offhand (if it hit)

...didn't really look like you were about to die after that.