The Icon of the 20th Century

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Gwadien, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

  2. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Me :)




    No.

    ME :eek:
     
  3. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Your mum for pushing your massive head out.

    actual good mum joke m'kay?
     
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  4. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    It's a bit of a brit-centred list tbh.

    I don't really understand what an icon is tbh. Never really looked up to anybody enough to think they deserved special adulation. Especially not famous people - like Bowie - because they had a cushie life so got all the adulation they needed.

    Mandela was a mix of great and shit. Turing was cool but I dislike accolades that are associated with war.

    Ali hit people and got paid handsomely for it.

    Meh to the others. I was (pleasantly) surprised to see Picasso on there.

    It's such an arbitrary list.
     
  5. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    There were more foreign options but these were the finalists of the categories.

    I would have said Martin Luther King tbh. Turing won though.
     
  6. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    Thatcher.
     
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  7. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Icon yes..but seriously, Nelson Mandela.

    Is it just accepted that we ignore hes a convicted terrorist who fully admitted he organised a murderous bombing campaign..killing innocent women and children, then refused to denounce violence and therefore rotted in jail.
    By that reasoning Bin Laden should have been up there.

    Glad Turing won though.
     
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  8. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    @Job in 'doesn't like black hero' shocker. ;)
     
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  9. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    When he was released from prison he absolutely 100% denounced violence.

    You're just an idiot.
     
  10. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    He was offered his freedom if he denounced violence..he chose not to and stay in jail for 30 years.
    Somehow that makes you great.
     
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  11. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    He was in jail for 27 years you fucknut
     
  12. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Easy to denounce violence when it's already been used to achieve your aims.
     
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  13. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Well yeah.

    Anyway, if you're in your own country and some white dudes come in and tell you that you're shit not even 2nd class citizens, but 3rd class, I think that gives you the right to engage in some violence.
     
  14. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Against innocents?
     
  15. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    In this case, yes.
     
  16. fettoken

    fettoken FH is my second home

    Hitler be like..
     
  17. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    More like Mandela was fighting against fascism (OK fascism because they're kinda brits right?)

    How many black South Africans were arrested because they were black, or killed because of it by the Government?
     
  18. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Killing innocents makes you a cunt in my book.

    But fighting against slavery...
     
  19. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    OK to clarify, you're OK with violence against slavery, but you're not OK with neo-slavery where the Government moves their fascism into some acceptable guide lines.

    I mean, you're siding with Thatcher over this.
     
  20. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    While I agree with the tenor of your argument, the facts are wrong. "White dudes" didn't "come in" to Nelson Mandela's people's "own country". Matabele, Xhona and Zulus are no more indigenous to South Africa than white Afrikaaners are. In fact the Dutch probably arrived in the borders of modern South Africa first.
     
  21. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Okay, for a country to still behave like a 18th century colony.

    I'm fairly sure that South Africa wasn't completely abandoned prior to the Afrikaners though, it's just a matter of a lack of history records.

    The Empty Land Myth

    might be propaganda, I dunno.
     
  22. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    As Ive posted many times before, SA had a big razor wire fence around it to stop black people getting in, because as racist as it was it was still far safer and richer than anywhere around it for black Africans.
    It was either your own bus or no bus.
     
  23. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    No, I didn’t say it was abandoned. There were people there when the Dutch arrived (the Khoi-San peoples) but they weren’t Mandela’s ancestors, who moving south into the area at the same time the Dutch were moving north and east from The Cape. Mandela’s lot (and most modern black South Africans) are part of the great waves of Bantu peoples who started pushing out of East Africa nearly 1000 years ago and they were no better than the Afrikaaners when it came the Stone Age peoples they rolled over.

    The Khoisan are the first South Africans, but in their case it wasn’t racism that got them, it was European diseases, but if the Europeans hadn’t landed they would have been doomed by Bantu diseases instead.
     

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