The great WAR - reports

[Sharkith]

I just thought we could post a thread where we could maybe collate some of the reports on the great war thingy. I know some people for example in MC and Outbreak and have had brief feedback from them on what has been happening in the Souh. Bob are certainly puting up major resistance although the repeated feeling I am getting is that they will only fight if they have the greater numbers.

The Northern areas of Fountain seem to be where most territory is changing hands.

So does anyone have any info on the war and any decent thread we could look at?

I find the Eveo forums tedious because of the spam.

Nat/Shark

 

[LordjOX]

Well hands-on info here from Y-2ANO. The 8th of January the northern coalition (MM, BRUCE, SMASH, PURE. ++) knocked out all 8 BoB towers into reinforced. Due to come out 2 days later at EU times, 10th of January. For the coalition this would mean success in Y-2 taking these BoB towers, setting up own POS then the station would be ours within a week and docking rights would be abled after downtime on the 11th of January.

Situation atm is a stand-still with BOB sieging coalition POS due to low coalition numbers. At the same time they are probably repairing their 2 POS that have come out of reinforced. Although with a smaller capital force this will not go fast (about 60 BoB in system, 115 local in addition BoB has about 60 pilots 1-2 jumps around Y-2 to catch loners that want to come help but fail miserably since they don't read intel channel), however they are strong in the EU time and people are starting to trickle in when people get home from work.

If this situation continues we will be back to square one in Y-2ANO due to BoB's ability to field pod pilots at the silliest of hours.

 

[LordjOX]

Okay at about 2330 EVE time a 200 ship PURE. , RK, BRUCE etc fleet jumped into Y-2ANO backed up by 80 more in system and about 100 IRON / RAZOR versus 150 BoB camping the LGBI-2 gate with BS snipers, support and 17 Carriers.

Horrible lag ensued, those jumping through gate unable to load grid at all. Finding out one hour later that they were in a pod. False intel set by a spy or a confused guy said that a Titan was on grid and had fired DDD. Those that already had loaded grid got the order to warp off. When people could confirm that there was no Titan, people warped back and spent the next 30 mins loading grid.

Thus BoB won that fleet battle even with horrible odds. They did have capital backup and was heavily entrenched but won out in the end because noone else could do fuck all. (those already on grid have a much easier time)

So much for fleet fights in EVE. CCP needs to get their heads on place and fucking optimize the game for big fights instead of making bullshit new improvements. (or maybe answer petitions to reinforce nodes where there's obviously going to be fights)

All in all about 200 or more coalition dead and the odd 10 or less dead BoB in a 380 vs 150 fight. GG

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Fantastic, the situation was the same back 2004, I still wonder why people do the blob fights? Because they utterly suck in 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 or 4 vs 4 or 8 vs 8 or what and seek protection in the mass?

They should have sharded at 25k maybe, like it was the initial plan at some point.

 

[Ctuchik]

Fantastic, the situation was the same back 2004, I still wonder why people do the blob fights? Because they utterly suck in 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 or 4 vs 4 or 8 vs 8 or what and seek protection in the mass?

or they just want to be more then the enemy? EvE isnt EU DaoC where "fair play" is expected. quite the contrary, if someone CAN fuck over the enemy its more then likly that they will.


having the DAoC mentality in EvE is asking for it tbh

 

[Sharkith]

having the DAoC mentality in EvE is asking for it tbh

There are those out there who go for the smaller fights but they are very rarely 'even'. They are usually referred to as 'more even' .

Your absolutely right looking to have an 'even' fight is asking to get shafted royally up the arse. After all they loot your corpse.

It puts things in perspective.

Nat

 

[Poag]

There are those out there who go for the smaller fights but they are very rarely 'even'. They are usually referred to as 'more even' .

Your absolutely right looking to have an 'even' fight is asking to get shafted royally up the arse. After all they loot your corpse.

It puts things in perspective.

Nat

Generally they are reffered to as "pirates"

If you mean small as in less than 15 in your gang.


Anyway Poag is entirely pissed off with EvE and is gonna stop playing for more weeks.
After chekcing out a BoB tower is a highly laggy system. 6 Guns around the tower of which 2 are online, great..its laggy i think so I will slow boat down and make a warp in, keeping about 10km from everything on a kinda roundabout course.

After traveling about 20km cloaked suddenly i decloak and get insta pop'd...looking behind me theres a whole sea of guns [about 12] that I must have passed through....testament to the lag is that my wreck was about 30km away from the guns

Horray for laggy systems and CCP GM team..horray!


In other news BoB has an extra 8-12 towers in reinforced in lower delve.

 

[LordjOX]

Fantastic, the situation was the same back 2004, I still wonder why people do the blob fights? Because they utterly suck in 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 or 4 vs 4 or 8 vs 8 or what and seek protection in the mass?

They should have sharded at 25k maybe, like it was the initial plan at some point.

Seen that you will see a 1v1, 2v2 or whatever once in a blue moon. Yes. Most people that go out solo now gets their ass handed to them, and no, killing ratters in belts with your deadspace fitted HAC is not PvPing. You will probably have alot of fun in your 5 billion ISK deadspace/officer pirate faction BS though. heh

First rule of EVE should be never fly alone. I see now why some people left for DAoC since they were unable to adapt in EVE.

Second of all, you can't avoid fleet fights when doing POS warfare. Taking down POS needs alot of manpower and coordination, just too bad current EVE technology doesn't support it. I also think it has something to do being a part of incredible fights like you saw in movies like Star Wars, with lots of ships shooting up everything.

And yeah. Usually pirates have small fleets, 10-15 people in nano ships and when they finally meet resistance and not the odd hauler or macro ratter in belts they go home to their mommy and cry. Cry so hard over the 0.0 alliances with their blobs and "carrier poo-poo's ".

In any regard BoB had to leave Y-2ANO at some point and managed to rep a few of their towers. We then promptly started destroying their towers that were due to come out US time, count was 2 when I logged so it's not over quite yet.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

When reading the responses here I have to think that you're some kind of sado-masochists guys .

I always despised blobbing for obvious reasons, lag and lack of individual involvement.

I disagree on your first supposed rule LordjOX, I had plenty of fun out solo, but this was when the server had 7k people top. If it changed so badly, that you cant go out alone if you know the tricks then the game is in a wrong state and I am glad I didn't come back.

Also, maybe you didn't meet any class pirate players that wouldn't from an equal sized fight, maybe those kind of players are extinct. I remeber the same argument from a local chat back in 2004 where a CA corp fleet met us in G-5EN2 and they said we would not attack, we would run, which we didn't, so I guess it's more about what kind of pirates you meet.

In the endless small fleet versus blob debate my perception was that people who wouldn't be able to compete versus small fleets blobbed, leaving the small fleets no choice but to hit and run.

 

[Ctuchik]

I disagree on your first supposed rule LordjOX, I had plenty of fun out solo, but this was when the server had 7k people top. If it changed so badly, that you cant go out alone if you know the tricks then the game is in a wrong state and I am glad I didn't come back.

but noone will win a alliance war by running around in groups of 8 or solo

i mean, ur trying to compare EvE with DAoC rvr. or atleast thats what it looks like. and its just not possible.

you NEED a big fleet to get somwhere in EvE.

sure u can run around solo ganking the odd macrominer but you aint gonna take and hold any systems that way

and you can still run arond solo in 0.0. i do it every day, and not only in the systems my alliance have controll over.

ofc i aint gonna stay and fight if a group of 5 or more reds enter the system i'm in, but theres still plenty of solo action going on. just need to pay more attention to the map. and you can probably find even more 1v1 in 0.4 to 0.2 thats closer to empire.


but anyway, about the blobs. i hate those to when the lag gets going. but thats unavoidable when 2 alliances wants he same thing bad enough.

i dont think ANY mmo can have it lagfree when enough players are on the same map/zone/whatever. EvE just takes it to the extreme as they have the odd 30.000 players online on the same "server".

sure they could split the server but how fun would that be? EvE universe is MASSIVE and u'd be hard pushed finding much of anythng to fight if it dropped to the "normal" server populations every other game has.

 

[Sharkith]

One thing Ctuchik though is that you could turn this around and argue that in fact what was missing in DAOC was a place where players could stake their claim. Where you could hold your own keeps and maintain them 24/7 for special bonuses. That way a lot of the 'issues' we had would have possibly been eliminated.

I totally agree those big fleets are essential to hold onto all that lucrative space.

 

[Ctuchik]

dont think that would have worked in DAoC tho. or rather, not on the english servers. ppl were so anti keep sieges there most of em didnt even bother to help with repair.

 

[LordjOX]

Anyways, lets try stick on topic guys. If you know some new war stuff, conflicts in EVE, battlereports or whatever post it here
In Y-2 we have knocked out more towers into reinforced after BoB repped them and most corps in my alliance have put up a tower to pull sov. I am POS manager myself so gonna have fun anchoring stuff the next few days... Damn logistics getting to fountain with carrier nerf and no rorqual / jump freigher in range.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I have a theory: at the end of the day the Russians will run the galaxy, but in a way subversive way than all the other power horses so far.

 

[Sharkith]

I heard it on the grapevine that some of the attacking corporations were losing members because of the tactics Bob have been employing. A fleet of 100 attacks a system. Bob then shows with 450. Lags out the system and bascially makes the game unplayable.

Some corps are losing excellent players to these kind of tactics. What can you do? Blame Bob? I honestly don't think anyone can blame any of the playerbase for something that is really a client side problem.



Shark/Nat

 

[LordjOX]

.. Something that is a server side problem , yes. These insane lag blob wars makes me wanna do something else in EVE aswell tbh. Doing small - mid scale fights for example.

 

[Ctuchik]

why not blame BoB? they know that what there doing is making ppl lag out.

 

[Sharkith]

well that tactic should not be available in the first place. I don't think Bob are the only ones who have done this...

 

[Ctuchik]

no probably not. but they ARE doing this now and thats all that matters

 

[Sharkith]

No thats not what matters. Not at all. I could not give a monkeys elbow what happens to Bob or anyone fighting them. Unless they want to pay me to care.

As for who is squeaky clean it is well known that there are more developers in Goonswarm than Bob....

 

[LordjOX]

No thats not what matters. Not at all. I could not give a monkeys elbow what happens to Bob or anyone fighting them. Unless they want to pay me to care.

As for who is squeaky clean it is well known that there are more developers in Goonswarm than Bob....

I don't eat these mushrooms you know, in the end all big 0.0 alliances are big bad wolves goofing down other people. BoB, RA, Goons, whatever, they are just as bad and have attitude like every other alliance. Alot of the players in EVE would be good nazis tbh.

Atm I don't have hands on info from the great war as SMASH went back to Geminate to reinforce and clean up business there.

I'll link to EVE Online | EVE Insider | Forums

Check out MC cap fleet, gdamn

 

[Ctuchik]

No thats not what matters. Not at all. I could not give a monkeys elbow what happens to Bob or anyone fighting them. Unless they want to pay me to care.

As for who is squeaky clean it is well known that there are more developers in Goonswarm than Bob....

who cares what alliance got the most devs? besides, BoB's devs cheated. Goons havent. or rather, havent gotten busted for it yet

 

[taB]

I don't eat these mushrooms you know, in the end all big 0.0 alliances are big bad wolves goofing down other people. BoB, RA, Goons, whatever, they are just as bad and have attitude like every other alliance. Alot of the players in EVE would be good nazis tbh.

Atm I don't have hands on info from the great war as SMASH went back to Geminate to reinforce and clean up business there.

I'll link to EVE Online | EVE Insider | Forums

Check out MC cap fleet, gdamn

Those 2 screenies in the OP are insane!

 

[Maasu]

you NEED a big fleet to get somwhere in EvE.

I think that depends what you mean by "Get somewhere".

If it's owning territory, in 0.0 since the POS system was introduced then yes, most definatley. However if you mean to have fun or get PvP - pffft! Rubbish!

Most good small roaming gangs are made up of 30% scouts, be it Covert ops or ceptors, if you FC knows the layout of the region(s) your in, and knows how to avoid being hemmed in, you can simply avoid ridicuously large blobs, or even better still, kill stragglers.

It's all about scouting and intel, with smaller gangs, well it's still about scouting and intel with larger ones, just with small gangs your pretty much guranteed to all die if you don't have any.

Honour died in eve after the second year or so. If it was even there to begin with to be honest. I've had a few one v ones, that were honoured, and i've had two that i distinctly remember where i was ganked. Unfortunatley they leave a bad taste and you just learn not to bother with them after a while.

The large fleet fights could of been great, and the very few i've had that were not laggy were intense, but unfortuantley eve has been done right, be that due to limited technology or bad coding/network design - i don't know. What i do know is i got tired of waiting after 4 years.

 

[Ctuchik]

I think that depends what you mean by "Get somewhere".

If it's owning territory, in 0.0 since the POS system was introduced then yes, most definatley. However if you mean to have fun or get PvP - pffft! Rubbish!

ofc i meant owning territory in 0.0

having a random blob in low sec isnt "getting somewhere" no matter how fun it is

 

[LordjOX]

Honour died in eve after the second year or so. If it was even there to begin with to be honest. I've had a few one v ones, that were honoured, and i've had two that i distinctly remember where i was ganked. Unfortunatley they leave a bad taste and you just learn not to bother with them after a while.

You'll fit in nicely here at FH, with all the other bitter DAoC people and DAoC-gone-to-EVE people

When I get my internet back in 2 months it will be interesting to see what has happened in the mean time . Maybe I log in at TDE4 to find it being taken by the russians

 

[Kev]

BoB have a nasty habbit of using game mechanics to massively effect fleet battles. they get all of their carriers / mom's in one grid and they launch their fighters. This makes it impossible for people that are comming into the system to load the grid on the other side yet those people's already on the gate from before the fighters / drones are launched have no load lag what soever (mod / warp lag still exists but loading ships is nearly instant). this is how BoB / MC managed to hold IAC / AAA etc at bay in FAT a few months ago.

There is nothing and i mean nothing you can do in this situation. For some stupidly shit reason the server loads each of the fighters as collidable objects (the same as players / cans). There is no skill in winning fights like this imo. The few fights that have been fair BoB have lost.

Just my take on current mechanics and the effect they are having on the game's new war.

 

[LordjOX]

Yeah, but anyone with enough carriers and mom's can hold any gate / POS / outpost / whatever grid. Not only BoB. But most alliances that can. Is just plain stupid to warp into that anyways. Even a capital will be popped before even loading grid. Been there done that. Never again.

 

[Kev]

Yeah, but anyone with enough carriers and mom's can hold any gate / POS / outpost / whatever grid. Not only BoB. But most alliances that can. Is just plain stupid to warp into that anyways. Even a capital will be popped before even loading grid. Been there done that. Never again.

Exactly. It's a lame tactic that all of the supercap allainces use. they all do it as its just working as intended as far as the game mechanics go. I lost my first dread to this very thing and yeah it sucked. Went into siege and desynched as a massive carrier / MS blob came in and i had no hardenors / tank on ^^ Before i get flamed i wasnt solo After that instance we split from MC and joined INFOD for our pirate fix and i loved it!

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

As it looks now, Tortuga is falling apart and BoB is coming back to game :O.