The Great Armsman Revolt of 2004 (TM)

[Kagato]

such a postfarmer

Such a bore.

 

[Kagato]

yes let's ask mythic to make kagato armsman TL (haha)

that way the armsman class will become even more useless than it already is and we'll end up with a char more suited to the style of tekken than one for group combat

yeah kagato

round 1.. fight !

Alot of opinions for someone who doesn't even know me, take a look through past Armsman threads and kindly show me where my suggestions have indicated such a direction. I think you will find I have generally kept a broader perspective on my ideas for improvements with the class.

p.s I rock at Tekken.

 

[Aybabtu]

As for active Armsman, its merely just another sad sign of the times that there is so few left, plenty level them up and try them out but few stick with the class.

I can only agree here.....

My first was an Arms and he did pretty Ok considering him being Sarecen thrust pole but it didn't take too many patches for him being put a side for my Infil...

 

[Asha]

I don't think Kagato's playstyle is like everyone else's but anything would be better than the present TL.

Euro TL's would be nice too but we are behind in patches so Mythic probably will never ever bother with the idea.

 

[Vindicator]

take off dual spec from arms and it would be quite a decent class

i can see a nice spec of 42 shield 50 pole xx parry xx slash/crush/thrust being nice on a ho arms with low quick and high str and a 6.0 pole

altho thats just fixing them, they still need spicing up somehow, no ideas here

Then your Just a Hero in Plate and alb groups dont need another shield user as Mistar Paladin does that job while supplying end.

I have said it time after time and as Kagato pointed out, this conversation has been had a million times.

I still feel my suggestions for Double Speccing would give the correct bonus's for 2h double spec while still retaining the class's true role and also leave every spec for an armsman wide open. I cant be bothered writing them all down here again so if you wanna see them there on the arms boards and also here on fh .

Also I dont seem to be remember alot of ppl agreeing with you tbh kagato, it usually leads to arguements about hybrids and s/s /2h / polers at the end of it thou . but at the end of the day its just to help the class along with a little health discussion ^^.

Ye Dump Mors as TL and keersdan should be TL. There a great source of factual information and actually play there class alot.

and Just for old times

http://www.meatshield.com/boards/sh...er=2613&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

 

[Heath]

Well...saracen armsman was my first ever char. Took me a looooooooooooong time to get him to 50 (well over a year, cos of playing with every alt going). Heath made it all the way to 50 as a s/s spec. Did pretty well as a block bot. But, as more and more groups wanted armsman less because a pally could do the job better and supply end i played him less and less. I eventually ended up respeccing him to thrust pole. Now, he does lots more damage and i feel that he is an asset to RvR again. He can even hold his own in PvE now. But, for a long time the armsmen of the game have been crapped on, overlooked and nerfed, while all the other classes get some sort of loving. I will never stop playing Heath cos he was my first char. But, i will feel better when he stops getting the shitty end of the stick and walk away with a rose every once in a while. Nothing major, just a bit of loving.

 

[[NO]Subedai]

All americans are noobs.
they fotm gank grps have thanes and other crap classes like necro's in them.

 

[Aybabtu]

All americans are noobs.
they fotm gank grps have thanes and other crap classes like necro's in them.

Aye, silly americans for having a different playstyle than ours, someone should really tell them how to play their own game!....

 

[Dawn]

such a postfarmer

aww is that a tear?

 

[Aadia]

aww is that a tear?

lol, it's not cuz i'm a girl that i cry whenever someone says something like that as most boys here do.
And get a grip will ya

btw +1

 

[Dawn]

lol, it's not cuz i'm a girl that i cry whenever someone says something like that as most boys here do.
And get a grip will ya

btw +1

dont cry miss aadia its only a post

 

[Aadia]

dont cry miss aadia its only a post

i think you need to read alot better

 

[gunner440]

Alot of opinions for someone who doesn't even know me, take a look through past Armsman threads and kindly show me where my suggestions have indicated such a direction. I think you will find I have generally kept a broader perspective on my ideas for improvements with the class.

p.s I rock at Tekken.

BUAAAAAAAAAAAAA THEY TOOK AWAY MY UBER DUEL STYLE BOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO
NOW I WONT BE ABLE TO GO KILL ZOIA IN FOREST SAUVAGE ANYMORE AND WE WONT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OUR RUN OF 200000000 DUELS

... there's more

 

[aaaaaaa]

Looks like we got 2 candidates here for the European armsman TL here:

1. Aadia - has totally no clue about how to play an armsman.

2. Kagato - played the armsman class since the day DAOC came out.

Who shall we vote for?

 

[Drav]

Keersdan, we dont need a european arms TL and if we got one who would listen to him/her, GoA? BAhahahahahahahahahahaahaahaaaaa

Mythic wont listen, just the same as it hasnt listened to the amount of armsmen posting feedback over the past 2.5 year screaming "Fix double speccing you morons!!!!"

 

[Jaem-]

How can you provide help for a class you represent(TL) without doing any of the work in testing?

If he doesn't give feedback with logs etc, the class will remain the same.

How will Armsman compare when other classes have been adjusted up and/or down, cause of testing?

 

[Kagato]

Also I dont seem to be remember alot of ppl agreeing with you tbh kagato, it usually leads to arguements about hybrids and s/s /2h / polers at the end of it thou . but at the end of the day its just to help the class along with a little health discussion ^^.

I was refering to my suggestions for class improvements and whats wrong with the class. Variations on current specs is not an issue here or a problem, that is simply a debate on what specs are best at the moment, which is always just a matter of opinion and usually an arguement you yourself start up at every oppotunity

 

[Kagato]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagato (some time ago)
BUAAAAAAAAAAAAA THEY TOOK AWAY MY UBER DUEL STYLE BOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO
NOW I WONT BE ABLE TO GO KILL ZOIA IN FOREST SAUVAGE ANYMORE AND WE WONT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OUR RUN OF 200000000 DUELS



... there's more

And your problem with this is? I still don't think what we gained was enough to justify what we lost, however if you care to look back through the threads you'll find my suggestions for Polearm style fixes were all made with a view to keeping your precious phalanx/revenge style as is but rather fixing the now redundant chains, and at least I am actually trying to make some helpful suggestions and improvements rather then just giving up, whining and acting like an ass at anyone else trying to be constructive for the class like some people here.


https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=16781&highlight=Armsman

Here is one of the recent discussions for people with selective memories like our gunner here.

 

[gunner440]

Looks like we got 2 candidates here for the European armsman TL here:

1. Aadia - has totally no clue about how to play an armsman.

2. Kagato - played the armsman class since the day DAOC came out.

Who shall we vote for?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaadia

aaaaaaaaaadia

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadia


maybe no clue but more than kagato has to offer i'm sure :worthy: :worthy:

 

[Belomar]

Kagato has a point though, Gunnerr. All you do is whine about Armsmen these days, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to award the round to him.

 

[gunner440]

sure award what you like to him
he's just as clueless as those TL's really

 

[Kagato]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaadia

aaaaaaaaaadia

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadia


maybe no clue but more than kagato has to offer i'm sure :worthy: :worthy:

You don't seem to have anything to offer at all yourself except a petty attitude problem and snide remarks.

 

[Kagato]

sure award what you like to him
he's just as clueless as those TL's really

If you know so much then please enlighten us as to the way forward, or are you actually capable of making a suggestion above 'roll a merc' these days?

 

[gunner440]

bearing in mind the armsman is nothing more than a bastard son of the warrior, in a totally different realm where the shieldbot role is generally dominated by paladins it is unlikely armsmen will ever become the popular choice based on group utility. an armsman blockbot would only make sense if the group wanted a shieldbot with det (with NF ra changes i doubt this would still be a valid reason)

also remember

warriors have more ws and better armour which in turn helps the group as well

now since defensive duties are out of the question... what about offence?

times have changed with the introduction of sc and now toa with nf arriving soon and the armsman damage has gone from great to "shit poor". people under the illusion that armsmen can still do the huge 500+ dmg shots each swing will have to realise that this isnt possible anymore.

add to that the chance of being guarded which will mean you wont touch (almost) your target i dont see how you can justify grouping someone who swings only once every 4-5sec and doesnt land a thing (hello mercs)

damage over time = win
lol landing hits = win

the only area i think armsmen would be able to compete in is the offence as the paladin just has too much to be able to match

im thinking of something along the lines of a 5min "flurry" time ability/super he-man shot which allows the armsman to bypass guard for 30sec or so

but even with something like this

why group someone who is only useful every 5mins (armsman) rather than someone who is useful all the time (i dont really need to say which class)

 

[aaaaaaa]

You don't seem to have anything to offer at all yourself except a petty attitude problem and snide remarks.

The problem is that he worships Aadia.

I bet he can't even sleep because of it.

 

[gunner440]

and who are you?

 

[Bracken]

Looks like we got 2 candidates here for the European armsman TL here:

1. Aadia - has totally no clue about how to play an armsman.

2. Kagato - played the armsman class since the day DAOC came out.

Who shall we vote for?

Don't think either of them said they wanted that job. So pointless attempt at stirring it up further whilst nicely hidden behind anonymity. Twat.

 

[Bracken]

Double Speccing

Double speccing is not the primary issue. Even if double speccing was fixed/changed/removed it wouldn't solve the main problem of offensive armsman which is damage over time being significantly below that of mercs. Even if you could hit for a guaranteed 700, the fact that you're swinging every 5 seconds and doing so with more chance of being blocked than a merc is where it's screwed. 700 per hit doesnt cut it if it averages out at only once every 7 seconds a fight (and that's IF you manage to hit 2 out of 3, which would be bloody good) when you compare it to what a merc does. It's damage over time that counts, solving damage variance per hit would only scratch the surface of that problem.

 

[Aadia]

Don't think either of them said they wanted that job. So pointless attempt at stirring it up further whilst nicely hidden behind anonymity. Twat.

That's exactly what i was thinking of writing down

 

[Vindicator]

bearing in mind the armsman is nothing more than a bastard son of the warrior, in a totally different realm where the shieldbot role is generally dominated by paladins it is unlikely armsmen will ever become the popular choice based on group utility. an armsman blockbot would only make sense if the group wanted a shieldbot with det (with NF ra changes i doubt this would still be a valid reason)

also remember

warriors have more ws and better armour which in turn helps the group as well

now since defensive duties are out of the question... what about offence?

times have changed with the introduction of sc and now toa with nf arriving soon and the armsman damage has gone from great to "shit poor". people under the illusion that armsmen can still do the huge 500+ dmg shots each swing will have to realise that this isnt possible anymore.

add to that the chance of being guarded which will mean you wont touch (almost) your target i dont see how you can justify grouping someone who swings only once every 4-5sec and doesnt land a thing (hello mercs)

damage over time = win
lol landing hits = win

the only area i think armsmen would be able to compete in is the offence as the paladin just has too much to be able to match

im thinking of something along the lines of a 5min "flurry" time ability/super he-man shot which allows the armsman to bypass guard for 30sec or so

but even with something like this

why group someone who is only useful every 5mins (armsman) rather than someone who is useful all the time (i dont really need to say which class)

Read my post for suggestions on this link and that negates all of what you say as each suggestions helps the armsman do damage while still retaining Hybrid Formula if required and fully s/s bot or Fully Offensive if desired

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=16781&page=3&pp=15&highlight=Armsman

In case your lazy to use calc ^^
.5% would = 25% at 50
.25% would =12.5% at 50

Double speccing is not the primary issue. Even if double speccing was fixed/changed/removed it wouldn't solve the main problem of offensive armsman which is damage over time being significantly below that of mercs. Even if you could hit for a guaranteed 700, the fact that you're swinging every 5 seconds and doing so with more chance of being blocked than a merc is where it's screwed. 700 per hit doesnt cut it if it averages out at only once every 7 seconds a fight (and that's IF you manage to hit 2 out of 3, which would be bloody good) when you compare it to what a merc does. It's damage over time that counts, solving damage variance per hit would only scratch the surface of that problem.

Have a Read of that post as well mate. Again it explains and statisfys the wish's and requirements of most