Politics The General Election 2015

[Job]

FFS. You can't bring in a points system for EU citizens. Can't. Not allowed. Misses the whole fucking point of "free movement of labour". So you have to leave the EU, and the economy collapses (50% of UK's trade is to the EU and is in services not goods, so unlike the oft-used Norway or Switzerland examples, who's trade is mainly in products (oil and pharma), the services sold wouldn't be treated the same way if Britain was outside the EU). The points system is fine for non-EU citizens and is already in place, but points-qualified doctors don't generally arrive under a train and go and work in the black economy anyway.

The economy would not collapse, that is the thinking of the EU brainwashing, business isn't arsed about the EU, it goes where the money is and the UK would simply slash the redtape to suck it in, because we are pirates.
The EU itself would be on the rocks...well a lot further up the rocks with a bomb up its ass..if the UK left, the ultimate no confidence vote in the whole pile of cards.

 

[Gwadien]

Why should I be bullied into voting if I can't decide who to vote for?

As @Gumbo said, spoiled ballots aren't exactly looked at and scrutinised with 'omg they don't believe in the system.'

 

[Aoami]

Despite what some students will tell you (and bleating socialists) the student loan system is pretty good (not perfect!) You pay it back at a tiny rate and a lot of it will end up getting written off anyway.

You start paying it back at 25k a year and it comes out of your salary. If you stop earning or earn less than that then you stop paying it back until you are back above 25k again.

Yeah it would be nice if it was free but it would also be nice if cars ran on unicorn farts.

You start paying it back when you earn £17k. I pay about £100 a month back on mine, but in realistic terms that's about £10 a month because it accrues about £90 interest p/m.

 

[Mabs]

Why should I be bullied into voting if I can't decide who to vote for?

As @Gumbo said, spoiled ballots aren't exactly looked at and scrutinised with 'omg they don't believe in the system.'

if you cant be fucking bothered to walk down the road once every 4 or so years, why the fuck are you posting in a thread about an election ?

go vote, dont be such a stupid cock end. doesnt matter if you spoil it or not, you should do it. it doesnt take long. and be thankful youre allowed to at all

 

[Gwadien]

if you cant be fucking bothered to walk down the road once every 4 or so years, why the fuck are you posting in a thread about an election ?

go vote, dont be such a stupid cock end. doesnt matter if you spoil it or not, you should do it. it doesnt take long. and be thankful youre allowed to at all

Yep, it's this kind of attitude which I don't like.

It's not that 'I can't be bothered to walk down the road'

It's I can't be bothered to walk down the vote when I'm unsure who to vote for.

Why should I go and spoil it when it counts for nothing?

You're almost implying because I don't support either the Tories/Labour/UKIP/Greens/BNP/MRLP etc etc I'm not allowed a voice in politics? LOL.

 

[Raven]

You start paying it back when you earn £17k. I pay about £100 a month back on mine, but in realistic terms that's about £10 a month because it accrues about £90 interest p/m.

aye, thought it was 25k, Its actually 21k if you started after 01/09/2012, so any new student intake. 21-25k is now a £30 pm repayment and 25-30k a £67 payment.

https://www.gov.uk/repaying-your-student-loan/what-you-pay

Either way, under the new system that everyone seems to be crying about, people actually end up paying less back each month and more just gets written off. So while they can moan about the 6k a year (Or whatever it is for a fulltime student) the vast majority of that money just gets cleared by the state anyway.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

This is why the labour policy to reduce or to 6k a year is a joke. Most students don't pay off more than the 6k any way, and those that do will be the ones earning the most. Don't labour cry foul when the Tories do anything to benefit the wealthier end of society?

The universities are terrified of labour being in and doing this anyway because they won't be able to change anything this year, so all the school leavers will defer places to next year. No students this year means no money, and that could be disastrous for them. Anyone with kids leaving school next year will also worry cos they will be fighting for places with all the deferrals from this year. Total mess potentially.

 

[Gwadien]

This is why the labour policy to reduce or to 6ka year is a joke. Most students don't pay off more than the 6k any way and those that do will be the ones earning the most. Don't labour cry foul when the Tories do anything to benefit the wealthier end of society?

The universities are terrified of labour being in and doing this anyway because they won't be able to change anything this year so all the school leavers well defer places to next year. No students this year means no money and that could be disastrous for them. Anyone with kids leaving school next year will also worry cod they will be fighting for places with all the deferrals from this year. Total mess potentially.

Because University attendance is still on the rise, it hasn't stopped anyone from going to University at all.

As I said before, if you talk to the vast majority of students, it's the maintenance money which is the issue, not the fees, the fees is just a political view which students like to moan about, but don't actually give a fuck about.

I don't think the Universities are terrified of Labour at all, I think the Universities want the old system back where the Government chipped in, but Labour's proposals are more of a middle ground to me.

In my point of view, particularly for Universities, I'd like the Government to contribute again, that way, they can have an input on the spending patterns of said universities.

All the universities atm (especially the ex-polies) are just investing ALL the tuition fees into constructing new buildings to attract the Chinese students, if the Government clamped down on this, education for the students who are already here (Whether they be from the UK, or they came without the attraction of shiny stuff) then there wouldn't be that competition to keep building new buildings.

Whilst I get the need to keep regeneration going etc, the spending of Universities is slightly ridiculous atm, especially so when these buildings have short-term life spans.

End of the day, believe it or not, Students are stupid, we'll be paying like 300k for a house, meaning more debt, so why worry about the fees on top of that?

 

[Mabs]

Yep, it's this kind of attitude which I don't like.

It's not that 'I can't be bothered to walk down the road'

It's I can't be bothered to walk down the vote when I'm unsure who to vote for.

Why should I go and spoil it when it counts for nothing?

You're almost implying because I don't support either the Tories/Labour/UKIP/Greens/BNP/MRLP etc etc I'm not allowed a voice in politics? LOL.

they still count the spoiled ballots, so yea, it is exactly cos you cant be bothered to walk down the road, stop making up excuses.

 

[Yoni]

There is no way to let anyone know if you don't like the system except a spoiled ballot and joining a group of like minded people to make a change. There is one sure fact no one will pay any attention if you just don't bother :/

Spoiling a vote does make a point... Sitting and doing nothing says exactly that... Nothing.

It is obvious that the oh so rebellious Freddies will not go and spoil their ballot that is their right BUT be assured that your act of rebellion will not make an iota of difference.... Grats

 

[Gwadien]

Nope, maybe people will actually think 'Ah, these people aren't voting, why?!'

If it makes you feel any better, I went to the shop earlier, which is right next to the polling station.

 

[Mabs]

Nope, maybe people will actually think 'Ah, these people aren't voting, why?!'

If it makes you feel any better, I went to the shop earlier, which is right next to the polling station.

nope, they mostly go "these people are too fucking lazy to bother, why should we spend time + money investigating new polling methods" actually.

"I want to vote but this system doesnt work for me" (aka spoiled ballot) is NOT the same as "i cant be arsed" which is where you are .

 

[Gwadien]

nope, they mostly go "these people are too fucking lazy to bother, why should we spend time + money investigating new polling methods" actually.

"I want to vote but this system doesnt work for me" (aka spoiled ballot) is NOT the same as "i cant be arsed" which is where you are .

No, I do think the system works, because it groups together for a common goal, unfortunately, they fail to get my attention when grouping these people together.

I disagree with your view of spoiling your ballot as a form of protest.

It's so easy for people with clear political allegiances to complain about people that don't vote.

 

[DaGaffer]

The economy would not collapse, that is the thinking of the EU brainwashing, business isn't arsed about the EU, it goes where the money is and the UK would simply slash the redtape to suck it in, because we are pirates.
The EU itself would be on the rocks...well a lot further up the rocks with a bomb up its ass..if the UK left, the ultimate no confidence vote in the whole pile of cards.

You are the wrongest man in wrong town. It's actually even worse than just the effects on EU trade, because the UK does its bilateral and GATT agreements as part of the EU rather than on its own. Sure the UK can reinvent itself in the long run, but it would take years or even decades to restructure the economy.

 

[CorNokZ]

Just don't come complaining afterwards when you've done fuck all to contribute besides claiming your right to do exactly that.

Don't like it? Try and make a change yourself rather than just saying "you're all shite" and having no alternative

 

[Gwadien]

I find it interesting that it's the Labour party and their supporters that urge people to vote, hmm.

 

[Yoni]

I find it interesting that it's the Labour party and their supporters that urge people to vote, hmm.

...... That's because labour voters don't leave the house when it's raining

 

[Gwadien]

...... That's because labour voters don't leave the house when it's raining

Nah, I think it's more to do with it's more likely to be lazy working class people that get bullied to go and vote, and when they get their they just follow family politics and vote Labour.

Hence the whole Russel Brand thing.

 

[Mabs]

I find it interesting that it's the Labour party and their supporters that urge people to vote, hmm.

you really are a sad little bigot arent you

its not "the labour party" its people who were brought up right and now how the system works, which clearly doesnt apply to you

 

[Gwadien]

you really are a sad little bigot arent you

its not "the labour party" its people who were brought up right and now how the system works, which clearly doesnt apply to you

Oh wow, You call me out as being lazy, I defend myself, and you continue to call me the same thing?

I say, that and I'm a bigot? - Look at the people on the forums moaning at me, they're clearly labour supporters, the ones saying meh what ever are tory voters.

LOL.

 

[Yoni]

My comment is playful banter from a self confessed indoctrinated conservative (bring back Maggie and all that). Your comments are really quite offensive @Gwadien ...

 

[Gwadien]

Now this is interesting, People attacking the Tory voters on this forum, and now I make a point about Labour and they get all defensive, I might go vote Tory.

 

[Job]

Trade agreements are worthless once the game changes, are you actually trying to tell me business will stick with them if we offer a better deal, freedom from the shackles of EU over management are what we are looking for and money always follows the path of least resistance, it's a fundamental part of economics and we will succeed or fail in the markets by winning the deals and the only way they can stop it is by banning our goods, which basically means frickin war.

 

[Yoni]

Who is attacking Tory voters? I dont see much attacking and believe me I have seen some heated political arguments being an avid supporter of thatchers early years (she did go a bit bonkers later on).

 

[Mabs]

good
GO FUCKING VOTE UKIP IF YOU REALLY WANT

but fucking well VOTE

stupid cunt

 

[Raven]

Angry lefties, nothing funnier.

 

[Gwadien]

good
GO FUCKING VOTE UKIP IF YOU REALLY WANT

but fucking well VOTE

stupid cunt

Calls me a bigot, then calls me a stupid cunt.

This is brilliant.

Btw

I'm still not voting

 

[Job]

I'm going to go and announce in this ridiculous first past post (gets to play some medieval game of scissors-paper-stone, then asks some bloke who works in the commons cafe, if they can form a government even though no one voted for them, but they have nice hair) system it is utterly pointless me voting in a seat with a huge majority...my vote goes to lala land.

 

[Mabs]

Calls me a bigot, then calls me a stupid cunt.

This is brilliant.

Btw

I'm still not voting

then you really are pathetic, and i feel rather sorry for you

one day, you might grow up

 

[Gwadien]

then you really are pathetic, and i feel rather sorry for you

one day, you might grow up

Aw diddums, I'm pathetic for not agreeing with your point of view?

Seriously?