the facts not ketorghalls bull

[raithian]

1. Ruathians raid goes on as usual

2. Augmundrs Foe Slayer drops from Icelord Augmundrs

3. Keep on killing elder icelord, fornfrusen

4. During hurika killing he asks "since rolf has been on so many raids it would be great if he could have Augmundrs" (like he is the only one being there much) some people say yes some no, most doesnt answer cause they are killing hurika. Ruathian says he will but in 7p as a roll in lotto and give augmundrs to Rolf (like stealing candy from a child) when its worths at least 15p.

5. None knows if he is going to give sword to rolf or not, ends up lottoing outside haggal (they are still doing it as we speak) and someone has the Augmundr

6. me typing bw cause i hate him, end

this is the list by ket so lets take each point 1 by 1 but frist plz read this

[21:47:38] Rolf has left the chat group.
[21:47:40] @@You send, "you can ask i cant" to Knokster
[21:47:42] @@Buffz sends, "bah no zerk drops"
[21:47:42] @@Rolf sends, "done"
[21:47:44] @@You send, "ask now" to Knokster
[21:47:58] @@[Chat] Lalin: ""
[21:48:01] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "guys knok has something he wants to ask you all"
[21:48:06] @@[Chat] Lalin: "my"
[21:48:09] @@[Chat] Lalin: "my"
[21:48:10] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "?"
[21:48:22] @@[Chat] Knokster: "all agree rolf gets the Foe slayer sword? he has been on all raids trying get grab of it"
[21:48:22] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "your idea knok you ask"
[21:48:23] @@[Chat] Cattebrie: "no knok i cant marry you sorry"
[21:48:30] @@[Chat] Slap: "lol"
[21:48:33] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "i say yes"
[21:48:36] Batdie's weapon returns to normal.
[21:49:52] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "ok how about this instead of foe ill put 7p into lotto"
[21:49:54] @@[Chat] Slap: "just waiting for my single insta"
[21:50:13] @@[Chat] Knite: "im with Karelia"
[21:50:14] @@[Chat] Cattebrie: "give me the 7 plat ill look after it"
[21:50:23] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "i think he deserves it enought to thro in 7p of my own cash"
[21:50:36] Your character has been saved.
[21:50:42] @@[Chat] Slap: "inc hurika"
[21:50:51] @@[Chat] Slap: "maybe not"
[21:50:52] @@[Chat] Jardo: "7p!! i dont even got 1p "
[21:50:56] @@[Chat] Slap: "fgt went too far"
[21:50:56] @@[Chat] Lalin: "then ppl and roll for 7p or what ?"
[21:50:59] @@[Chat] Busiga: "i have said what i think... Dont realy care about that drop... just think it should be fair for those who want it..."
[21:51:11] @@[Chat] Cattebrie: "then jardo sell ONE of your many TG spears"
[21:51:20] @@[Chat] Slap: "havent seen that many RvR active thanes and nerf Foe for pve usage.."
[21:51:25] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "all i want is things used by the best ppl thay can and i no rolf use it well"
[21:51:29] @@[Chat] Gwif: "i think ruithan made fair offers huh?"
[21:52:17] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "yes or no rolf gets foe ill put in 7p to lotto"
[21:52:26] @@[Chat] Knokster: "yes :>"
[21:52:27] Lellen begins attacking faster.
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Buffz: "i say yes"
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Allways: "yes"
[21:52:34] @@[Chat] Lin: "yes"
[21:52:37] @@[Chat] Bezerro: "k for me np"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Monstrous: "yes"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Gwif: "fair trade give him the sword"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Allways: "then start with the 7p "
[21:52:41] @@[Chat] Foalle: "yes"
[21:52:47] @@You send, "rejoin cg" to Rolf
[21:52:47] @@[Chat] Thornea: "yes"
[21:52:48] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "aye"
[21:52:52] @@[Chat] Turbulence: "no"
[21:53:00] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "all agree"

pointas 1-3 are corect but this is where ket starts to tell a few littly [prkie pies
number 4 he says that it was me who asked ppl to give rolf the foe where as this actualy happened

[21:47:38] Rolf has left the chat group.
[21:47:40] @@You send, "you can ask i cant" to Knokster
[21:47:42] @@Buffz sends, "bah no zerk drops"
[21:47:42] @@Rolf sends, "done"
[21:47:44] @@You send, "ask now" to Knokster
[21:47:58] @@[Chat] Lalin: ""
[21:48:01] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "guys knok has something he wants to ask you all"
[21:48:06] @@[Chat] Lalin: "my"
[21:48:09] @@[Chat] Lalin: "my"
[21:48:10] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "?"
[21:48:22] @@[Chat] Knokster: "all agree rolf gets the Foe slayer sword? he has been on all raids trying get grab of it"
[21:48:22] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "your idea knok you ask"
[21:48:23] @@[Chat] Cattebrie: "no knok i cant marry you sorry"
[21:48:30] @@[Chat] Slap: "lol"
[21:48:33] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "i say yes"
[21:48:36] Batdie's weapon returns to normal.

as you can see rolf left the cg so it culd be asked with out him there and who was it that asked in the cg to hand rolf the sword
[21:48:22] @@[Chat] Knokster: "all agree rolf gets the Foe slayer sword? he has been on all raids trying get grab of it"

as for number 5 on his list well here is the chat log so you tell me was ppl told yes
[21:52:17] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "yes or no rolf gets foe ill put in 7p to lotto"
[21:52:26] @@[Chat] Knokster: "yes :>"
[21:52:27] Lellen begins attacking faster.
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Buffz: "i say yes"
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Allways: "yes"
[21:52:34] @@[Chat] Lin: "yes"
[21:52:37] @@[Chat] Bezerro: "k for me np"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Monstrous: "yes"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Gwif: "fair trade give him the sword"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Allways: "then start with the 7p "
[21:52:41] @@[Chat] Foalle: "yes"
[21:52:47] @@You send, "rejoin cg" to Rolf
[21:52:47] @@[Chat] Thornea: "yes"
[21:52:48] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "aye"
[21:52:52] @@[Chat] Turbulence: "no"
[21:53:00] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "all agree"

now may i point out the last remark here from grimgor "all agree"

now ket has stated 2 things first that i asked cg to give rolf the foe WRONG
ket also stated that it was not agreed in cg to give rolf the sword and thay was not asked yes or no WRONG

so for all to see facts it was not me or my ideea
fact it was decided in cg by those in cg to hand rolf the sword
so KET GET OFF MY FUCKING BACK YOU PATHETIC TWATE the cg decided to give it to rolf not me not knokster not 1 person the fact that only about 18 replyed is not my problem thay was asked and the majority of those that replyed said yes give rolf the sword now if you are saying it is rong to follow the wishes of those that did reply i bet anyone anything thay want that if i had said no to what ppl had said thay wanted to do then ket would have posted somthing like ruathan refuses to do as cg asked him to do

 

[raithian]

now think what you like say what you like but this is the chat log from the raid (a few personal send removed)

as you can clearly see kets 2 main problems seam to be him sating that it was my idea that i asked in cg for rolf to get the foe that is clearly not the case

secound bit of bullshit from jet the fact that he claims it was not decided to hand rolf the foe after raid
o deary deary me it was decided in cg by those that replyed (before the next mob was pulled i may add)
so his main 2 bullshit remarks seam to have been totaly removed from the eqation now the question now is this is ket man enought to admit he made a mistake or is he just plan chicken (1p says he runs away and hids

now i waited untill he dug himself a nice big deep hole for himself so he had somewhere he could hid in when the actualy facts came out i think he has so here thay are

 

[Shaurr]

I don't know why, but whenever theres TG raid there also is a negative post of it at BW forums, complete with logs. How hard can it be not to make any special requests and rules and just do it fair and according to some rules every time.

 

[raithian]

as you can see the request was made in the midle of the raid and i concidered it unfair to say no to what was surgested so alowed the person who surgested it to me to put it to cg as i new id be flamed if i surgested it i decided that this issue was best to be decided by the cg and asked by the person whos idea it was

 

[herjulf]

Was there in another "shape", and can acknowledge the above statement as far as what was said in /cg.

Anyways, overall i must say everyone should lotto for items, no exceptions.
Cuz had that been the case this would never happen.

 

[Albbasher]

After reading both post now...the 1 Ketorgerhall posted...and the 1 Rau. posted. This is what I have to say:

First of all ...if you read the logs from the tg raid...it's clearly not Rau. who ask for it so all this trash talking is totally uncalled for.....and secondly the majority agree'd infact I only see one who say's no. Then one can ask him/her self if 1 no should't be enough to let the Foe stay in lottery? But then again...most ppl here a adults...so they should speak up there mind in the cg....insted of posting here with incorrect facts

For futere tg raids.....keep the lottery pehaps ? EVEN if you have 1 in the cg named Rolf
And for whiners in general...get your facts straight before uncalled flaming.

 

[cerberos]

Was it stated before the raid that the rules could be changed once the raid started?

Or are you allow to change the rules as the raid is ongoing?

You are raid leader thats true but if you set out some guidelines should you not stick to them no matter what?

 

[nott]

Raithian:
You were the leader of this raid and should never let this mess happen.
Make rules simple and stick to them. Every time you alter things in the middle of the raid it's bound to cause some havoc.
Don't hide behind the fact that it wasn't your idea. You could've prevented this, and clearly couldn't be so naive that you would think the swordusers on this raid would agree with this decision.

You also messed up with the Guthlac great shield. Lotto'd out before items were listed? How come you didn't make a reroll on that?

btw: I think you owe Rolf 7p.

 

[old.yaruar]

remember next raid guys.. make sure you have half a dozen friends in the cg...

wait for the drop you want...

wait for a busy time.

get a friend to nominate you for the item..

get all your friends to say yes.

bingo. your item.

sweet!

 

[bouh]

i just feel my the leader has it in his pocket now the sword or some good money.
no doubts.

2 all: plz keep on joining his raid, sucha whine is something i can read instead of some jokes.

 

[Blazor Meneth]

where is ket now?

 

[batdie]

Originally posted by old.yaruar
remember next raid guys.. make sure you have half a dozen friends in the cg...

wait for the drop you want...

wait for a busy time.

get a friend to nominate you for the item..

----------> get all your friends to say yes. <----------

bingo. your item.

sweet!

i am not his friend.

PD: Rauthian, i thought items dropped in raid, you cant sell em, raid rules ? ;-

gl & peace

 

[Tumult]

interesting, but i count about 8 people before raithain said rolf could rejoin the cg and another 2 or so after that.


does this mean it was only a 1.5fg raid?

plus there is this "Lellen begins attacking faster" in the middle of "everyone agreeing" indicating that you are fighting a mob, so some people would be distracted, (you dont see lellen agreeing for example)

any explantion for this?

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

Do i read right, items that drop are sold? Who gets the cash

(never been on a ruath raid yet, will do one day tho)

 

[Iri]

what a shame they didnt post the log of what ppl said before the lotto...

 

[ketorgerhall]

im here admiring ruathians cut/paste work on the log

[21:50:59] @@[Chat] Busiga: "i have said what i think... Dont realy care about that drop... just think it should be fair for those who want it..."


now what was his point of view on augmundrs?
i have said what i think?
i surely cant see that "deleted" part of log ruathian good work!!

 

[Iri]

I see no point going on with this arguments really, no matter who suggested Rolf should get the Foeslayer, who's money it was, how many ppl said yes or no and so on...

The simple basic fact here is Ruathan was leader of a raid and then allowed the rules to be changed in middle of the raid, making all this mess. Nothing of this would ever have happened if he had stuck to his own rules and made a fair lotto for everyone!

 

[ketorgerhall]

this just so much fucking bullshit i cant even start to make remarks on ruathians so called "log" i hate ruathian dont get me wrong but this is turning into an obsession of hate and i frankly dont want him in my life more than i want wax in my ear, i just want people to get he has, and he will fuck up every raid he gets to decide rules over so dont go on em...

 

[Kindar]

I feel your pain, Ketor.
So far he haven't fucked up any raids i've been on....hopefully for his own health he wont..

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by ketorgerhall
this just so much fucking bullshit i cant even start to make remarks on ruathians so called "log" i hate ruathian dont get me wrong but this is turning into an obsession of hate and i frankly dont want him in my life more than i want wax in my ear, i just want people to get he has, and he will fuck up every raid he gets to decide rules over so dont go on em...

Breathe. Get a life; it's a game ffs.

Don't like the raids? Don't go on 'em, simple as that.

 

[Whisperess]

And to add to that:

I see tons and tons of whining; yet I don't see you pulling the thumb out of your behind and do your own raids?

Until you've lead some successful raids that everyone enjoyed and nobody complained at - I'd suggest you stfu and start working on such a feat instead of just whine here.

And no - I'm not taking sides in this story. I wasn't there, doesn't affect me = couldn't care less. Just sick of all the whining and flaming from people who wouldn't lift a finger to do anything for someone other than themselves.

 

[ketorgerhall]

at some point people dont understand i dont go on his raids since along time back, i wasnt on this raid my girlfriend was, she was sitting next to me (she isnt a sword user so augmundr didnt have any concern in that) but seeing the unwrong being done gets me pissed.... even if it is just a game, those affected are still human beings

 

[etcetra]

Ruathian, got my Legion Torso?
I would really like to have it now, its gone like 8 months?

 

[raithian]

etcetra u no where i am all day every day im geting tired of leaving msg for you to pick it up.
as for you ket if you read i stated some parts of the cg where removed as thay was oprivate pm and not for the likes of you or anyone els to see

 

[punj]

rauth if you said sorry for making a mess of things and changing the raid rules halfway through people might take a different view of you(bit late now ofc),but all you posts including this thread you started after the other post had moved down the page only strengthens peoples hatred of you.
in short grow up a bit eh?

 

[raithian]

Originally posted by Iri
what a shame they didnt post the log of what ppl said before the lotto...

[21:52:17] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "yes or no rolf gets foe ill put in 7p to lotto"
[21:52:26] @@[Chat] Knokster: "yes :>"
[21:52:27] Lellen begins attacking faster.
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Buffz: "i say yes"
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Allways: "yes"
[21:52:34] @@[Chat] Lin: "yes"
[21:52:37] @@[Chat] Bezerro: "k for me np"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Monstrous: "yes"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Gwif: "fair trade give him the sword"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Allways: "then start with the 7p "
[21:52:41] @@[Chat] Foalle: "yes"
[21:52:47] @@You send, "rejoin cg" to Rolf
[21:52:47] @@[Chat] Thornea: "yes"
[21:52:48] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "aye"
[21:52:52] @@[Chat] Turbulence: "no"
[21:53:00] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "all agree"

try and read this section i belive i said

[21:52:17] @@[Chat] Ruathian: "yes or no rolf gets foe ill put in 7p to lotto"

to which the replys was
[21:52:26] @@[Chat] Knokster: "yes :>"
[21:52:27] Lellen begins attacking faster.
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Buffz: "i say yes"
[21:52:29] @@[Chat] Allways: "yes"
[21:52:34] @@[Chat] Lin: "yes"
[21:52:37] @@[Chat] Bezerro: "k for me np"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Monstrous: "yes"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Gwif: "fair trade give him the sword"
[21:52:38] @@[Chat] Allways: "then start with the 7p "
[21:52:41] @@[Chat] Foalle: "yes"
[21:52:47] @@You send, "rejoin cg" to Rolf
[21:52:47] @@[Chat] Thornea: "yes"
[21:52:48] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "aye"
[21:52:52] @@[Chat] Turbulence: "no"
[21:53:00] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "all agree"

and specificly
[21:53:00] @@[Chat] Grimgor: "all agree"

that means it was decided end of story its kinda a bit late to whine about somthing that the majority of those that replyed in cg had allread said to do and hand been allready done before then lotto even took place

now there was a remark about the sheild going before items where all listed yes that was a mistake but if you recale and wasnt brain dead that was tryed to be corected but ppl said go on
but it is interesting the fact that the arguments that ket brought up where compleatly blown out by the logs (deliberatly held back so he dig a nice big hole and look a compleat twate)
and yet he still isnt man enought to admit he fucked up( yet again) now that is sad

as for the others what whine ill make you a little deal you go ahead run plan 33 tg raids and we see how meny you fuck up.

id also like to remind ppl of another small fact before i decided to keep doing tg raids 90% of all raids ended at kav or ailer only 1 in 10 raids killed the elders and normaly thay was 12-15 fgs now 50 drops between 120 ppl whats that a 45% chance for a drop not very good odds
my raids now that i managed to find a way for 7 fg to kill all named in tg (but for that buged jailer) (still working on that problem)
it now works otu 7 fg 56 ppl for on acerage alowwing for luck and no dam farmers about 40-45 tg drops for 56 ppl ods of what 80% or more way better odds

and another small fact for you whiners and diners out there in cloud koko land 33 tg raid an average of 30 drops per raid works out at about 1000 tg items gathered from my raids

and from 33 tg raid i have claimed 4 items that works out at 1 item for every 8 raids

o and then we have the 9 dr raids i planed and ran a total of 225 of each stones for mids from those raids less 3 i claimed to respec my chars.

but yes it is true i have over 20 tg drops some very very nice but i also have over 130p cash i spent over 100p buying alot of tg drops as i can afford to

the way i see it there are doers and there are lazy ppl who find it more fun to slag ppl off and when thay are proved rong not have the balls to admite it he then sudenly changed his whine when the truth came out and his bullshit lies was exposed as just that why will ppl get the balls to admit he fucked up he blamed for for things that never actualy happened i can guse what happened someone moan he heard and thought o hell yea ill whine about that it be fun he wont tell ppl what happenede ill get away with yet another bullshit whine and get ppl to hate him

 

[-RG-Jaond]

[21:52:52] @@[Chat] Turbulence: "no"

Isnt this enough to dont give it away without lotto?

 

[punj]

[21:52:52] @@[Chat] Turbulence: "no"

Isnt this enough to dont give it away without lotto?

yeah your right if this person said no and all the others said yes then the sword should have atleast been lotto'd between these 2 people( that's if turbulence was after it ofc)

 

[Iri]

well what i was meaning, u should have posted the things ppl /say before the lotto started, oh thats right, u put listen only to cg and placed us so far away from u that u couldnt hear what ppl was trying to say...

And who cares if u can kill all named with few ppl and what items u have claimed or not on previous raids, when u constantly fuck up the lottos. And when u have done u start to yell and whine that ppl are so bad to u, fgs there are reasons why ppl are getting mad at u.

Instead of post bits and parts from ur chatlog and telling ppl how many items dropped on ur raids, can u pls just answer 2 simple questions???

1. Why did u change the rules in the middle of an ongoing raid?

2. Why do u let ppl that cannot vote on the sword decide if its to be taken out of the lotto or not?

 

[bouh]

12 ppl voted from 120 while were finghting Hurika it seems.

10% of all participants took place, is it realz enuff?

realy funny story.

1. ask 10 ppl to agree (mostly seers and prolly a few axe/hammer vickings).
2. wait till all ppl r busy.
3. bingo!