Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[caLLous]

Yeah I'm not disagreeing about the emissions\environment rubbish but F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and they want to set an example from the top down so that's not going to go away. I don't see unleashing the top teams working at all, there would be all sorts of arguments about every aspect of the tech handover at the end of the season etc etc. You'd end up with 3 or 4 teams dominating and there would never be parity because the small teams wouldn't know how to best utilise all these freebies that they get at the end of the season so they would still be at a massive disadvantage. And who would get what tech? Would the winning manufacturer have to furnish every other team with their tech that they spent millions R&D'ing?

I don't see it incentivising the creation of new teams in the future either.

 

[Moriath]

Could maybe do what they do in touring cars and give weight penalties to the winners for the next race. But the circuits are so different each race even that might not work

 

[Litmus]

Currently standing at the end of the first corner

 

[caLLous]

Jesus... How the hell did Kimi manage that? Floored it too soon when he came back onto the track?

Ah he jumped back up on the track.

Why can't they restart from whatever position they were in though? That seems mean.

 

[Corran]

aye, it is rediculous that cant use the same position you got to. Massive penalty for the likes of hamilton and magnussen.... that ferrari looks like a mini now!

 

[Corran]

Also credit to Massa in that accident. Completely blinded as he was up the ass of another car, yet managed to put his car in a slide quickly to reduce the speed of the collision massively.

And sounding like they may get to keep their positions by starting behind the safety car.

 

[caLLous]

Yeah I'm watching on Sky and they haven't said anything but the beeb are saying they keep their positions.

Edit - Sky just said it.

 

[caLLous]

Fuck me you would think Hamilton's side of the garage would work on their pitstops.

 

[Shagrat]

Bottas is absolutely flying

 

[caLLous]

Unlucky Rosberg!

This will light the drivers championship up if Lewis takes 25 points.

 

[Embattle]

Well Hamilton has been dead unlucky with 2 DNFs so it was about time Rosberg had an issue, plus nothing that stops his car breaking down again either.

 

[ECA]

1 more DNF for rosberg and it'll be even.

 

[caLLous]

Vettel is such a whiney little bitch.

 

[caLLous]

Wicked.

 

[soze]

I am not a fan of F1 but I saw a show last night about how the thing holding the speed back now is the drivers due to ability and being able to endure faster turns ect. So they were talking about F1 being driverless in the future. But surely without the driver you have nothing to get invested in. Would you still watch it without the drivers?

 

[ECA]

If we didn't have technical regulations, the cars would be using groundforce effect and doing 500mph... every crash would be fatal lol.

I'd be ok with "remote control" driverless F1 if the driver was trackside in a sim type setup, with INSANE 600mph cars otherwise no.

 

[Raven]

No, it would be boring as fuck.

Though a separate formula could be a nice novelty I suppose.

 

[Embattle]

I am not a fan of F1 but I saw a show last night about how the thing holding the speed back now is the drivers due to ability and being able to endure faster turns ect. So they were talking about F1 being driverless in the future. But surely without the driver you have nothing to get invested in. Would you still watch it without the drivers?

Modern drivers are a small part of the overall package in most cases, the best drivers are very similar in my opinion and the winner is decided by the best car and I vaguely remember some team principle stating that a driver was only something like 5% of the complete package.

 

[Embattle]

More shit luck for Lewis yesterday it seems and this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28388781 certainly make me chuckle.

 

[ECA]

Damn that was a great race.

 

[caLLous]

Yeah the first SC really fucked things around. Great for Lewis and great drive from him. I would've been fucking fuming had it been me and I'd let Rosberg through only for him to sail past me in the last few laps on his "different strategy". Good call from Lewis to ignore, it would've cost him in the short term and the long term, especially as Rosberg didn't look to be that close at any point (although he did say after that it was the team that told him that they'd asked Lewis to let him through, not him himself asking to go by).

Superb race though. Say what you will about the noises the cars make, we've had some fantastic races this season.

 

[Access Denied]

That's two races on the trot that Lewis has made an incredible drive after shit luck in qualifying. He's also matured this year I think. He's getting less angry about stuff. Good for him for ignoring the order to let Rosberg past. They're first and second in the championship, fighting for the title, why they gave that order is completely beyond me.

 

[Chilly]

That's two races on the trot that Lewis has made an incredible drive after shit luck in qualifying. He's also matured this year I think. He's getting less angry about stuff. Good for him for ignoring the order to let Rosberg past. They're first and second in the championship, fighting for the title, why they gave that order is completely beyond me.

Because it would provide higher expected points for the team overall. Sensible from a team's PoV, sucks from a driver's.

 

[DaGaffer]

Because it would provide higher expected points for the team overall. Sensible from a team's PoV, sucks from a driver's.

And a cynical person might think a German team might prefer a German driver to win their first World Championship since the 1950s...

 

[Access Denied]

Because it would provide higher expected points for the team overall. Sensible from a team's PoV, sucks from a driver's.

No guarantee of that. When the order was given Rosberg was going about half a second a lap quicker than Hamilton. Wasn't closing the gap with the same speed as at the end of the race. Even if he had been, there's no guarantee that Rosberg would've finished any higher up the order than he did. So say Hamilton let him pass and they finished 3 & 4 but with Rosberg 3rd. It would make absolutely no difference to the constructors points.

If Rosberg had caught them at the rate he was late in the race, even 3 laps earlier and they had given the order then, I would've agreed with it from a team perspective because he would no doubt have taken Alonso too.

 

[Chilly]

No guarantee of that. When the order was given Rosberg was going about half a second a lap quicker than Hamilton. Wasn't closing the gap with the same speed as at the end of the race. Even if he had been, there's no guarantee that Rosberg would've finished any higher up the order than he did. So say Hamilton let him pass and they finished 3 & 4 but with Rosberg 3rd. It would make absolutely no difference to the constructors points.

If Rosberg had caught them at the rate he was late in the race, even 3 laps earlier and they had given the order then, I would've agreed with it from a team perspective because he would no doubt have taken Alonso too.

Of course it's not guaranteed, but the quants back at base will have worked out that the team could gain, on average, 1.5 points for letting him pass (or whatever). It's exactly like betting. You can't predict the outcome, but you can help yourself along the way by making optimal decisions.

 

[DaGaffer]

Of course it's not guaranteed, but the quants back at base will have worked out that the team could gain, on average, 1.5 points for letting him pass (or whatever). It's exactly like betting. You can't predict the outcome, but you can help yourself along the way by making optimal decisions.

Or, you could say, "we're 184 points ahead in the Constructors Championship (or put it another way, five 1-2 victories with eight races to go), we probably don't need to worry about 1.5 points here or there". Seriously, it would take the Mercedes team being taken out by a missile strike for them to fail to win the Constructors at this stage. Team orders like that when both drivers are racing for track position and they're direct world championship rivals screams fit-up.

 

[Access Denied]

Of course it's not guaranteed, but the quants back at base will have worked out that the team could gain, on average, 1.5 points for letting him pass (or whatever). It's exactly like betting. You can't predict the outcome, but you can help yourself along the way by making optimal decisions.

Except that as I've already pointed out, at the time of the call it could be argued quite well that it wasn't an optimal decision. Rosberg wasn't massively faster than Hamilton at that point.

 

[caLLous]

Mercedes can relax when it comes to the Constructors Championship, it'll be mathematically impossible for them to not win it within the next few races. Which is why asking Lewis to let Rosberg pass was baffling, they're just racing for themselves now and Mercedes are known for letting their drivers race each other. I don't buy that it was the team and not Rosberg that came up with the idea to ask either.

 

[Jupitus]

Only Bernie could get off a bribery charge..... with another bribe!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28656050