The Euro, shouldn't we decide?

[~YuckFou~]

BBC Item on Euro.

What your personal thoughts on this are your business, but wouldn't you like the opportunity to vote? Otherwise the Government will decide for us.
I think that this is very important, in the same way joining the Common Market was. The people should be allowed to decide, as they have in other countries. It's not possible to keep everyone happy but at least the majority will be.

 

[Deadmanwalking]

I agree with u in principle Yuck but u forgot one thing

The Sun reading public

 

[~YuckFou~]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
I agree with u in principle Yuck but u forgot one thing

The Sun reading public

They wouldn't understand the question and would rather watch Coronation Street with a plate of chips than go out and vote anyway

 

[dysfunction]

Yes I would like to be able to give my 2p worth.

But I'm not sure if the Tories ever gave a referendum when they made these big decisions...

 

[GDW]

Doesn't surprise me afterall, our right to have a democratic vote in Northern Ireland was postponed. I think Blairs become a bit of a dictator tbh.

 

[Tom]

The decision does not mean we will/will not enter the Euro zone, just whether it is right for the UK to do so. If they say they think it's right (unlikely), then the matter will be put to a referendum. If not, then no referendum, no entrance (at least for a few more years)

Correct me if I'm wrong pls

 

[~YuckFou~]

Originally posted by Grandadwrinkle
Doesn't surprise me afterall, our right to have a democratic vote in Northern Ireland was postponed. I think Blairs become a bit of a dictator tbh.

He thinks he's President at the very least.

 

[~YuckFou~]

Originally posted by Tom[SHOTTEH]


Correct me if I'm wrong pls

Dunno, I'm assuming they are going to make the decision. What they think is irrelevant to me. I'm sure one of our politicos will pop in here and write fully researched essay on the matter.

 

[GDW]

.The announcement on whether the UK should join the euro will be made in the House of Commons on 9 June, Downing Street has said.

Thats what it says.

There is an argument to say that the British population will be indirectly voting as it was they (or 50 odd percent of them anyway) who elected the current government

 

[Lester]

Situations change throughout a term of office so I think it's right that the people should be consulted on "major" decisions at some point. Especially when you consider the Whips and the coercion that goes on in Parliament.


And on a personal note Tony Blair is a cock and we shouldn't adopt the euro.

 

[dysfunction]

Originally posted by Lester
And on a personal note Tony Blair is a cock

Unfortunately the opposition are even worse!!

 

[Lester]

No they're not. IDS can be a cock all he likes while he's not in power!

 

[xane]

A vote will always result in "No", people are more likely to resist change than risk it.

Also referendums are open to the popular media to influence the decision, not exactly known as a bastion of neutrality. We saw how the media sided up over the Iraq issue, I couldn't bear seeing all that again on the Euro.

Call me old fashioned but I still believe in a political party pinning it's colours to the mast and the getting the mandate through the vote. The reason why the Conservatives are so keen on a referendum is that the only other way their party can decide is to split into two, whereas the only Labour dissent would be from the usual suspects who can be bullied or ignored.

People say it's too important for a general vote, but I disagree, moving to Euros will be a lot less painful than decimalization ever was and it mainly affects business anyway.

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by Lester
No they're not. IDS can be a cock all he likes while he's not in power!

Bollocks Lester, all politicians are a bit poo, but the labour party is still much much better than the evil Tories. I would have thought a man with your extreme age would have remembered that !

O, yes, having said that, I would vote against ever having the euro .

 

[Lester]

Well it's just the Tories were sooooo much better at lying than Labour are. If I'm gonna be fucked I like it done by a professional see?

Tony and his cronies are just so rubbish at hiding the fact that they have their noses in the trough.


At least we agree on the Euro !! MAN'S TEAM!!!

 

[throdgrain]

MANS TEAM !!!!!

 

[Testin da Cable]

not that you'll actually have any real say in the matter then...but what do you think? 'dyou think england should opt in on euro fever? it's nice, maybe. don't believe the hype!

 

[old.Fweddy]

Don't worry guys. If they bring the euro over here before i seize control I'll just get rid of it again.

 

[Tom]

I don't have a problem with it tbh. Neither do the many French, Italians, Spaniards, Germans, Austrians, Dutch, that I've met.

It will eliminate currency exchange, which is brill.

 

[dysfunction]

I'd vote for the Euro...I think we would be better off in the long run.

 

[nath]

What about the war? Most of you didn't think we should have had a referendum on that, and last time I checked, wars are pretty damn important.

 

[old.UKTwister]

I'd vote for the Euro...I think we would be better off in the long run.

But in the short term......

We probably won't know how much we are paying for anything!

 

[~YuckFou~]

Originally posted by nath
What about the war? Most of you didn't think we should have had a referendum on that, and last time I checked, wars are pretty damn important.

True, but wars tend to be needed in a hurry. We've got ages to get a referendum properly organised.
Tony to Saddam: "Give us a month or so, we need to get the ballot papers printed, the voting booths organised, the volunteers trained, oh theres so much to do"

 

[Any]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
I agree with u in principle Yuck but u forgot one thing

The Sun reading public

All they see is that it will save them a few quid to change money when they go on holiday :-(

Even if a referendum results in a no vote how long before the EU tells us we are all stupid and makes us vote again untill they get the answer they want?

 

[Furr]

REVOLT

Lets overthrow the current regime and install a democracy :\

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by dysfunction
But I'm not sure if the Tories ever gave a referendum when they made these big decisions...

Wow - that's exactly the line the Labour Spin machine has been drumming into your heads for years to let them get away with everything. "The Tories did some bad things too therefore we can do anything we like !"

I don't particularly want the Euro and I certainly don't want a common foreign policy. How could it be acheived ? Different countries have different parties in charge. You can't have whips to get everyone in line and pretend to be untied by the policy. The splits will be there for all to see and therefore easily exploited. It will be political chaos. The only way to make it work would be to abandon national parties and only have Euro wide ones.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by ~YuckFou~
Dunno, I'm assuming they are going to make the decision. What they think is irrelevant to me. I'm sure one of our politicos will pop in here and write fully researched essay on the matter.

Hi!

Gordon's tests are to determine whether the Treasury (ie the part of the Government who controls all the money) believes that the economic circumstances support the view that the UK would benefit from entering the Euro. Should the Euro pass the tests, the decision to join will be put to a referendum (and/or the next general election). Should it fail the tests, the situation will be reassessed in a pre-defined period of time (I think it's 2 years, but it could be 3).

...is how it works.

Not quite an essay, sorry. I could make you some graphs if you want.

 

[dysfunction]

Originally posted by Wij
Wow - that's exactly the line the Labour Spin machine has been drumming into your heads for years to let them get away with everything. "The Tories did some bad things too therefore we can do anything we like !"

The point I was trying to make is that the Tories are pressing labour for a referendum yet they never bothered about them.

They just have double standards.

I am sure that labour would have a referendum once they have made their decision as to whether its going to be beneficial to join the euro or not.

 

[Testin da Cable]

Originally posted by Wij
It will be political chaos. The only way to make it work would be to abandon national parties and only have Euro wide ones.

either or. the latter is where it may head. I hope not though.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by dysfunction
The point I was trying to make is that the Tories are pressing labour for a referendum yet they never bothered about them.

There was a referendum about whether or not to join the common market, and that was from a Tory government.