The end is nigh.

[maxgirth]

For those of us who turn 50, and still enjoy playing our main and not rolling an alt, we need to get the much needed cash to replace that epic armour etc, are we really expected to sit in front of a forge salvaging, then hinging to make the cash needed to replace something we got for free and promised would last a long time, whilst mythic in their ultimate wisdom keep lowering the odds?

What mythic gives in one hand, it takes away with the other,seal items from DF used to be worth farming for, one way to raise the cash for that much needed level 50 armour replacement:- nerfed.

Families in dales of devwy:-nerfed, actual return from salvaging of drops in SI zones:- nerfed.

Rough estimate of a full set of MP chain sc`ed and enchanted,at a liberal price 40 plat.

Bearing in mind i`m a top level weaponcrafter and that doesn`t bring in nowhere near enough cash, trinketting used to , but it doesn`t no more.

For the 1st time in my 14 months of playing this game, i`m seriously thinking about not renewing my subscription, as i`m sick and fucking tired of seeing something 1/2 decent 1 patch, to be nerfed the next.

 

[SilverHood]

try playind midgard

still, best money comes from farming your own diamond seals, and then hinging.

or, if you're a lazy slut like me, just sell the seals to a crafter, or sell the salvaged bar to a merchant.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yeah understand that,maybe take a break from crafting all together and exp a caster to 50?or try make a rvr team going rvr in odins/hw/sauv etc not emain(zerg city)....

I am still enjoying the game a great deal soon have 4 50s,playing mid excal often it's nice there good break and i like mid classes.Don't forget there is also a rvr add on on way for free and an expansion disc...

Oh well hope you try another 50,it's not that hard to do.

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by maxgirth
Rough estimate of a full set of MP chain sc`ed and enchanted,at a liberal price 40 plat.

99% enchanted chain is better than epic armour. If you want MASTERPIECE items, then you should damn well have to work hard for it or get lucky. Thats the point, they are meant to be rare so not everyone has them.

 

[old.linnet]

It's crazy that chain is so expensive compared even to plate, though. And that it is so cheap (relatively) to fit out a caster compared to any other class.

 

[Meatballs]

It is rather expensive, but certainly achievable to get the cash well before Epic armour is ever likely to wear out.

E.G. my brothers minstrel epic is at 100 con 100 dur and he's just scraped up enough cash to finish his 99% chain suit.

 

[Roalith]

The problem with chain lies in the remake cost. For each remake, chain is around 10% higher in price than plate.

This was caused by the linings of 102 chain armour. Originally, they used Cymric type linings, and all sellback/salvage costs were based on this.

Then, of course, it was discovered this was implemented by mistake. The backing type was changed to Siluric leather, and guess what! The sellback cost was not adjusted to reflect this.

For example, I have a 102 chain and plate item both costing 100g, and I sell them both back to the merchant. I will only get 66% of the item sellback from the chain, as opposed to 75% for the plate.

And obviously therefore, the more remakes you take, the more and more expensive the item costs.

 

[maxgirth]

My thread isn`t a moan about how dear chain is, it`s more along the lines of financing it has,yet again got even harder,and Thorn if financing yourself to lgm status then making arcanium MP`s to the tune of at least 2 a day, in between salvaging and hinging feck loads of drops isn`t working hard enough,then god knows what is?.

My gripe yet again (plz read between the lines) is why do they keep nerfing salvaging rates?.

I`ve salvaged 5 SI bp`s since the patch and got a return of 5 netherium to 20 arcanium bars,pre patch was 20 to 56 bars of arcanium, to 17gold -100gold, from 100gold -280gold is pitiful imho.

My epic armour is about 48% durability atm and each time I go out for a longish hunt it drops at least another 1 if not 2 %,a dear price to pay,but used to be rewarded rather well come salvage time,now it doesn`t.

I know some of you have suggested other ways, or do other things,but I play the game the way I enjoy playing it,and mythic yet again have fucked it up, the amount of people i`ve helped by salvaging their drops for them,as i`ve sat by Diogel forge should surely testify how much I loved the salvaging/crafting side of this game,and without that there is no game as far as i`m concerned.

In the nutshell, to all you guys who love rvr, if rp`s went down 66% yet the cost of ra`s stayed the same, how many of you would carry on playing?.

 

[hrodelbert]

ye annoys me that i have to fork out 25 plat for a full MP armour set when joe zergfil can get a full MP set for a quarter of the price

 

[hrodelbert]

and don't even get me started on how much i hate respec stones and the way they are so uber for sb/ns/inf 's in particular

 

[Azal]

Dunno what the chain works out compared to mid chain - 'cost' price of 50/retry is about 25P..so I guess anything above that is what you'd expect to pay....but with a guildy AC doing remakes at cost price and me being a tailor means I can deck my healer out in a full suit of chain for only a couple P.

Course for a full MP set I would still be looking at 8-10P but compared to the 'normal' cost that's pretty cheap.

On the other hand, you should be able to get away with MP boots & gloves and 99% everything else surely? with my healer that's all I need + SI items (no rares) to cap everything I need with +8 to 2 skill lines.

Worth a play with the spellcraft program surely max? a fully SC'd 99% suit isn't that much worse than a full MP suit and throw in a couple MP's for the cheap pieces (boots & gloves) and you should be able to come up with something pretty hot.


[edit] being a leather clad bandit myself (read SB) I can get a full crafted MP suit for about 7P (cheaper as I can make it myself) but to cap EVERYTHING I must have a full MP suit plus 2-3 rares (we're talking RARES) with a full set of SI jewellery to boot to even get close to that.
Casters definately have it easy

But you can get a full suit 99% chain for less than 7P can't you ?

 

[Lanfaer]

you're an armsman for christs sake, have you ever been near a nerf, much unlike the shadowblades who has a neverending flood of them coming at'em?

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by hrodelbert
ye annoys me that i have to fork out 25 plat for a full MP armour set when joe zergfil can get a full MP set for a quarter of the price

Its also about 2x harder for us to cap all our stats unlike mister "oh yeah I just overcapped loads of stats because I had spare on my MP armour"

P.S. Maxgirth pre-patch you were better off salvaging 2handed swords (100 bars) from DF than Breastplates. The patch beforethat bps were the best. Havn't tested anything this patch though.

P.S.S. Why are you making weapons to make money? MP ones at that. No-one pays well for 99%, no-one pays well for 100%. Go enjoy yourself do some RvR and Raids, as long as you dont die to mobs every hour and lose con your cash goes up...

P.S.S.S. The crafting system in this game sucks

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by Azal
Dunno what the chain works out compared to mid chain - 'cost' price of 50/retry is about 25P..so I guess anything above that is what you'd expect to pay....but with a guildy AC doing remakes at cost price and me being a tailor means I can deck my healer out in a full suit of chain for only a couple P.

Course for a full MP set I would still be looking at 8-10P but compared to the 'normal' cost that's pretty cheap.

On the other hand, you should be able to get away with MP boots & gloves and 99% everything else surely? with my healer that's all I need + SI items (no rares) to cap everything I need with +8 to 2 skill lines.

Worth a play with the spellcraft program surely max? a fully SC'd 99% suit isn't that much worse than a full MP suit and throw in a couple MP's for the cheap pieces (boots & gloves) and you should be able to come up with something pretty hot.


[edit] being a leather clad bandit myself (read SB) I can get a full crafted MP suit for about 7P (cheaper as I can make it myself) but to cap EVERYTHING I must have a full MP suit plus 2-3 rares (we're talking RARES) with a full set of SI jewellery to boot to even get close to that.
Casters definately have it easy

But you can get a full suit 99% chain for less than 7P can't you ?

My suit is nearly done,I have 3 mp`s 1 99% so far, i`ve worked out the sc bit, everything will be capped apart from spirit,I done some nifty wheeling and dealing, with mp weapons etc so i`ve been relatively lucky,but my gripe really is for the poor sods who go out drop farming, to raise the cash for items they need.

Just been talking to an armourcrafter who told me vendor price for a fac102 bp was 375 gold,the top range bp`s in SI land yielded 280 golds worth of arc pre nerf, the one I salvaged the other day yielded 100 goldsworth,how the old rate was regarded to high and had to be nerfed as it was still around 100 gold lower is beyond me.

It has made me feel, SI was brought to us laden with goodies to encourage people to buy it,then next patch the belt tightens.

 

[hrodelbert]

full MP set all stats capped 25plat + procs

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by Lanfaer
you're an armsman for christs sake, have you ever been near a nerf, much unlike the shadowblades who has a neverending flood of them coming at'em?

TBH, armsman don`t have anything worth nerfing,poor sods.

 

[hrodelbert]

the man speaks the truth , givf otter morph!

 

[Yussef]

MP's should be rare, but thats another story!

 

[hrodelbert]

yes MP's are far too common imo

 

[Meatballs]

Just ask ade

 

[Yussef]

hrhr at Bigade

 

[old.mattshanes]

Go on sidi raids often max would like to see you in sidi gfx armour:great:

You need a break from crafting,it's a pain sometimes i took 7 hours to make a mp robe....

 

[Yussef]

Retire!

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by Meatballs

P.S. Maxgirth pre-patch you were better off salvaging 2handed swords (100 bars) from DF than Breastplates. The patch beforethat bps were the best. Havn't tested anything this patch though.

I was refering to SI bp`s bud,not to long ago df bp`s yielded over 200 bars of asterite (capped at 200) if done properly:.

P.S.S. Why are you making weapons to make money? MP ones at that. No-one pays well for 99%, no-one pays well for 100%. Go enjoy yourself do some RvR and Raids, as long as you dont die to mobs every hour and lose con your cash goes up...

I don`t craft to make money,I salvage to make money,I enjoy pve way much more than rvr bud.

P.S.S.S. The crafting system in this game sucks

Agreed,and it`s getting worse every patch,and as part of the game I enjoy the most,it`s now starting to get to me,tbh I only log on atm to speak to the many friends i`ve` made since playing this game,and if my guildies were to bugger off to another game i`d join them, something I would not have done a few months ago.

 

[Yussef]

Set yourself a challenge Oo

 

[hrodelbert]

ok yus i give up

 

[Yussef]

Hrhr

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by Yussef
Set yourself a challenge Oo

I did,trying to make a living through crafting

 

[hrodelbert]

i make BG weapons \o/

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by hrodelbert
i make BG weapons \o/

FFS, you`re going to regret saying that on here,expect to be pm`ed senseless next time you log on lol.