The cooldown between changing realms after clustering...

[Svartmetall]

seeing as 2 servers are now 1, does that mean GOA now can give us a 3rd eng server?

Excal and Prydwen are being clustered as a direct result of GOA's dismal record of never having made any real effort to promote DAOC in any meaningful way in the UK. If GOA had ever really given a damn about the UK players, don't you think we'd already have the 3rd UK server, instead of GOA combining two servers they don't really care about into what is effectively just one UK server...? France and Germany have plenty of servers, but then they got an advertising campaign, didn't they? Hey, d'you think there might be a correlation between those two things at all? You care, you advertise, you get a playerbase? Or maybe that's just crazy insane talk.

And they'd have advertised the game in the UK the same way they've advertised it in France and Germany, and we'd have a lot more players overall instead of GOA thinking word of mouth is just fine for the second-class citizens of the UK playerbase.

GOA need to provide a sticky thread in the Newbies forum after clustering, which will be an apology from them to new UK DAOC players explaining why they can only play one realm now even though the game has 3 realms, and French and German players get to play all 3 realms.

I wonder if Mythic are aware of just how crap a deal UK players will soon be getting from GOA? Does anyone else think it's OK that GOA are providing such a second-rate service for UK players now? I voted against clustering, and let's be honest here - we all know deep in our heart of hearts it's an admission of failure on GOA's part thats it's happening here at all.

We all know it.

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[Elitestoner]

lol, one example.

some guy who plays mid/pry logs on his char and does /who passage of conflict. he then logs off and logs on his hib/excal char and goes and kills them all. same applies to df, various rvr zones etc, and not everyone has shit loads of accounts u know :|

 

[Azathrim]

Svartmetal, I agree that clustering is an admission of failureon GoA's part. A failure to advertise and cultivate their potential customers. That said, I voted yes for clustering and still would.

The alternative would have been one server anyways, since Prydwen was dying.

The expectation of clustering have gathered new interest. Many old players have returned and Prydwen is now alive again. They still need to cluster though, as failure to do that, would just send those people away from the game again.

 

[Tilda]

Excal and Prydwen are being clustered as a direct result of GOA's dismal record of never having made any real effort to promote DAOC in any meaningful way in the UK. If GOA had ever really given a damn about the UK players, don't you think we'd already have the 3rd UK server, instead of GOA combining two servers they don't really care about into what is effectively just one UK server...? France and Germany have plenty of servers, but then they got an advertising campaign, didn't they? Hey, d'you think there might be a correlation between those two things at all? You care, you advertise, you get a playerbase? Or maybe that's just crazy insane talk.

And they'd have advertised the game in the UK the same way they've advertised it in France and Germany, and we'd have a lot more players overall instead of GOA thinking word of mouth is just fine for the second-class citizens of the UK playerbase.

GOA need to provide a sticky thread in the Newbies forum after clustering, which will be an apology from them to new UK DAOC players explaining why they can only play one realm now even though the game has 3 realms, and French and German players get to play all 3 realms.

I wonder if Mythic are aware of just how crap a deal UK players will soon be getting from GOA? Does anyone else think it's OK that GOA are providing such a second-rate service for UK players now? I voted against clustering, and let's be honest here - we all know deep in our heart of hearts it's an admission of failure on GOA's part thats it's happening here at all.

We all know it.

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Do you copy and paste the same whine from thread to thread?

 

[Kami]

going to be pretty annoying if you accidentally log in an account using the quick login selection for hib/excal when you meant to pick the char with the same name on alb/prydwen... 1 hour of twiddling thumbs and trolling forums

I dont agree with it personally. it should be shorter - say 15 minutes, if people want to cheat they'll manage it somehow. OK they can't log in thier accounts for a while, doesn't stop them pming thier mates out of game with info from another realm

 

[Svartmetall]

Do you copy and paste the same whine from thread to thread?

No. Show me another thread where I have posted that GOA should have a stickified apology to new UK players explaining why their choice is now so limited...?
Oh, that's right, I posted the idea once in the sticky at the top of the page. Flim deleted it, and then deleted the post where I asked why he'd deleted it. It's a perfectly valid point, so needs posting.

Oh and by the way, pointing out that the post-clustering choice offered to new UK players is going to be crap is not a "whine".

What do you think, Tilda? Do you think it's OK that new UK players will only be allowed to play one realm? Only two of the 4 French servers are being clustered (Carnac and Orcanie), and none of the 5 German servers are being clustered, so players in France and Germany will still be able to play all 3 realms. Players in the UK have never been given that choice by GOA, and post-clustering will only be able to play one. Come on, tell me - do you really think this will be a fair deal for UK players, paying just as much as French and German players for one-third the choice?

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[Ssera]

Players in the UK have never been given that choice by GOA, and post-clustering will only be able to play one. Come on, tell me - do you really think this will be a fair deal for UK players, paying just as much as French and German players for one-third the choice?

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Requiel quite specifically stated before the polls were open that one of the big disadvantages of clustering was to new english players and them only being able to play on one realm. Did people listen? Of course not, in fact most people stated that they didn't give a shit and just wanted more people in RvR to get RPs with...

 

[Thorwyn]

Well.. to be fair...
Look at the UK playerbase. And I mean the REAL UK playerbase, not the population of the two english servers. Take away all spanish, greek, dutch, swedish, danish, finnish and norwegian players....and look what´s left of the playerbase.

That means: even with the combined mass of the rest-of-Europe-except-France-and-Germany, it´s hardly enough to make ONE english server viable. It´s not fair (well... you can always join a frensh or german server, jsut like all the other people are joining an english server despite the fact that it´s not their language), but that´s how it is. If there were more players (due to better marketing or whatever), there would be more servers.

I see your point, but it´s just a "that´s how it is" situation IMO.

 

[Urme the Legend]

Well.. to be fair...
Look at the UK playerbase. And I mean the REAL UK playerbase, not the population of the two english servers. Take away all spanish, greek, dutch, swedish, danish, finnish and norwegian players....and look what´s left of the playerbase.

That means: even with the combined mass of the rest-of-Europe-except-France-and-Germany, it´s hardly enough to make ONE english server viable. It´s not fair (well... you can always join a frensh or german server, jsut like all the other people are joining an english server despite the fact that it´s not their language), but that´s how it is. If there were more players (due to better marketing or whatever), there would be more servers.

I see your point, but it´s just a "that´s how it is" situation IMO.

UK playerbase got nothing to do with this? ... English playerbase != UK Playerbase...

 

[Thorwyn]

English playerbase != UK Playerbase...

err... yeah, if you read what I wrote, you might find that that´s one of the essential points in my posting.

Swartmetal was refering to UK players and I said that even the combination of the english playerbase is hardly enough to fill one server.

 

[Urme the Legend]

err... yeah, if you read what I wrote, you might find that that´s one of the essential points in my posting.

Swartmetal was refering to UK players and I said that even the combination of the english playerbase is hardly enough to fill one server.

Ah .. I usually skip Svartmetalls whine posts

 

[Shanaia]

Ah .. I usually skip Svartmetalls whine posts

Aww stop picking on Svart ... just because he's persistant. :touch:

 

[Shanaia]

tell me - do you really think this will be a fair deal for UK players, paying just as much as French and German players for one-third the choice?

Think you need to stop comparing it to the french and german situation ... that's like comparing the UK football league to the dutch football league ... you think it's fair people pay about the same for a season ticket for Ajax Amsterdam and Arsenal ... the people with a season ticket for Arsenal see a selection of the best players in the world ... when for the same money in Amsterdam you see second rate players from the dutch competition. Is that unfair to the fans of Ajax?

If you think having 1 realm to play isn't enough ... stop giving GOA your money. But comparing it to the other language servers isn't very realistic (imo!). They had/have a bigger playerbase (yes we know you blame that on GOA's lack of advertisement). And a very different playerbase. (Clustering actually got voted away in Germany on 2 servers with exactly the same populations as Pryd and Excal) and all the whining (sorry, so tried not to use that word) in the world isn't going to change this situation.

 

[Ogrelin Blodig]

Stay in one Realm ffs!! damn betrayors! Make it 24 hours delay imho

 

[Elendar]

its a good idea i think

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Excal and Prydwen are being clustered as a direct result of GOA's dismal record of never having made any real effort to promote DAOC in any meaningful way in the UK. If GOA had ever really given a damn about the UK players, don't you think we'd already have the 3rd UK server, instead of GOA combining two servers they don't really care about into what is effectively just one UK server...? France and Germany have plenty of servers, but then they got an advertising campaign, didn't they? Hey, d'you think there might be a correlation between those two things at all? You care, you advertise, you get a playerbase? Or maybe that's just crazy insane talk.

And they'd have advertised the game in the UK the same way they've advertised it in France and Germany, and we'd have a lot more players overall instead of GOA thinking word of mouth is just fine for the second-class citizens of the UK playerbase.

GOA need to provide a sticky thread in the Newbies forum after clustering, which will be an apology from them to new UK DAOC players explaining why they can only play one realm now even though the game has 3 realms, and French and German players get to play all 3 realms.

I wonder if Mythic are aware of just how crap a deal UK players will soon be getting from GOA? Does anyone else think it's OK that GOA are providing such a second-rate service for UK players now? I voted against clustering, and let's be honest here - we all know deep in our heart of hearts it's an admission of failure on GOA's part thats it's happening here at all.

We all know it.

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Spot on!

 

[Esselinithia]

the problem is that they will do it anyway. hell GOA can put a 2 YEAR cooldown and they still do it. mainly because 99% of the rvr ppl have 2, 3, 4+ accounts and a SHITLOAD of alts SO, spying or crossrealming will be no problem whatsoever for those ppl that feel the need to do so.

SO! Why on earth should WE that only have ONE account suffer for the stupidity of a VAST minority's behaviour?

If you would know a bit more about the game, you would see a few topics differently. First of all: Majority of players doesn't have multiple accounts. Majority of players are simple causal players, who have just one home realm, a few characters, because with work and family they can't focus on more. They have 1 home realm on 1 home server: So they don't cross realm, they don't spy, and yet this cooldown timer don't hurt them.

Next: You say people with one account suffer from this, others won't have problems. I have 2 accounts, and both are active on alb/prydwen, hib/excal. So no crossrealming chance before clustering. After clustering, I will have a problem similar to yours, but as you said, there is a workaround: Having pryd mains in one account, excal mains on the other. This way, one can avoid the 1 hour timer, if he don't use the 2nd acccont. No self PL, no buffbot. Getting xp the fair way, and running unbuffed for the players with 2 accounts now have some small benefits, and gives a better chance of winning to you. And also better chances to get groups.

If you have to wait 1 hour, you won't leave your group without a warning because other realm calls you for urgent stuff.

Should I continue?

 

[Shanaia]

Should I continue?

Please no ... I'm enjoying the fact that you actually managed to make a post short enough that I could read it without a bathroom break halfway trough!

 

[Muylaetrix]

The low english player base has more to do with that according to me, most british players are playing in the US. only the british people who started x months after the launch of the game in the US ended up buying the UK version. And they only did so if they had no mates who played in the US already, cause otherwise they might have gone US too.

imho the brits are a minority on the english servers.

And tbh, having prime time at 8-12 pm CET is a lot better than when you have to play in the US and completing the ML`s causes a sleeping disorder and make you have to abandon raids or loose your job .

 

[Overdriven]

I think it's a bad idea really, I think it was brought up in this or another post.

Okay, I play both Mid/Pryd and Hib/Excal, (Well, 99.5% of the time it's Mid) just say I was on Excal PvEing and then my Mid GM tells me they want me for a raid, and just say I was essential to the group (Uber being the only active Shaman in my guild ) - What happens? Group falls apart because of the hour down time.

Yeah, people will use it to X-Realm, but oh-well. The cooldown timer is stupid. Espically for PvE whores.
Anyone who RvR's will some how have access to another account on the other realm. Won't stop x-realming what so ever.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

The low english player base has more to do with that according to me, most british players are playing in the US. only the british people who started x months after the launch of the game in the US ended up buying the UK version. And they only did so if they had no mates who played in the US already, cause otherwise they might have gone US too.

imho the brits are a minority on the english servers.

Hes funny dont you think?