The chaos at Malmohus...

[old.Attle]

Well, I don't really know where to start but here we go...

First to all you ppl who are going to the lair in your low 40ies or in worst case in your late 30ies. Please don't go at all. If you come in a grp then you are with them and their choice to bring you. But when you are coming to the lair solo at 40 or 41 and demand to get a grp, don't expect to get one. You are to low simply. Stay in Spindelhalla or try the areas with Svartalfs and try organising a party of your own instead of running to the lair and whine.

Second the leeching problem. Some ppl think that because they don't get a grp it's ok for them to leech and that is not the case. Its really lame to leech when a grp has told you not too. I might add a note to the leechers that they arn't making many friends by leeching. So your short sightness in order to get xp atm, dosen't pay in the long run since no one wants to grp with you.

Third, dragon time. At 12 all grps have to leave the lair in order to avoid the dragon. When the grps come back at 13.30-13.45 they should get the same spot as they had before. Its not nice to steal a spot from another party without asking them if its ok.

Fourth, entering and exiting the lair. When running the "hell mile" from the H to lair and get aggro, don't run into a big grp who is fighing mobs in order to save yourself at the expence of those ppl. It's better for all that you let the mobs kill you and ask for a ress. There is no point in letting all ppl die because you got aggro mobs on your back.

And finally we have the contest for the good spots at lair. In front of lair there isn't really room for more then two grps (2 dubble grps that is). I've seen up to 4 grps camping that area. And what happens is this. The area in front of the lair is framed out. As the puller has to run longer and longer distances to get mobs, the grp will follow. And as we all know that the Drakulvs has mega long aggro range. So when the big POP comes, the party auto pulls a shitload of drakulvs and the party get their butt kicked. So if there are fewer grp in front of lair there would be less deaths.

That was about it I guess...

 

[Eblessair]

simple solution if someone starts to leech
dont taunt, dont hit, just let them take aggro

and walk off

 

[Killgorde]

On a slightly different bent to what Attle has posted let me put a different issue across. On Sunday night I spent four hours sitting at the hill above the lair patiently asking for grouping but not too peeved at not getting in as I had a shitload of guild stuff and alliance stuff to organise. Fair enough...I know when I'm not welcome...

On Monday Nazgul made a decision to take 5 low 40's on an exp expedition to the lair. Attle and Bjodald kindly made up the numbers in the big hitting and fending department, both aware that my priority was to give some lower peeps in Nazgul a bit of assistance. When we weren't a full 16 I invited others to join including one Mr NolbyPride PK, who was more than happy to exp in the 2nd (leechers group), and even though as a low 40 hunter he offered very little of benefits in comparison to a lot of the 30-odd peeps who subsequentlty PM'd me wishing to join, and being the (hopefully) fair minded person I am I allowed him to stay for the duration. Bearing in mind that the person in question was a 2nd char, and a lot of 1st chars were around at the time, his actions and behavior the follwing day on being denied access to my group (anyone with a 6 month old throwing a tantrum knows what I am on about) as others were already promised positions when and as they arrived at the lair, leaves me with no alternative but to never even offer him the steam off my piss in future.

The same can be said of Creep. Creep by name...and, you guessed it...Creep by nature. After slating all the low 40's who joined me and others tonight he grovelling asked for an invite. Then he grovellingly got into the main group on the basis that his hitting power was on a par with that of Attle but he was likely to draw more agg. I pick my groups on maximum potential strength and ability. When one of the group is found sitting up the hill stealthed (Awol for 20 minutes it was calculated) and I find my face in the dirt because of a weakened group I start to ask myself seriously whether this is the norm in Midgard and are the complete gut-wrenching shysters in the majority. Creep, Sir, you have that rare ability to make a billygoat puke. uke:

There are a number of others I could mention, but hell, you all know who they are so is there any point? In future when I do a group and you ask to join (sorry Maeny and Gerula for not being able to fit you in - but thanks for being so understanding - peeps of the highest order) and you get a negative it is because either a) there is no room b) you are bringing absolutely nothing with you in terms of loyalty courage or personality or c) it is because I am of the opinion that you are a complete twat.

Got any jobs going Finster, or has Albion got its fair share of fuckwits as well mate?

Killgorde

GM - Nazgul

 

[Subbiz]

well I can only agree on attles post, coz there is PLENTY of ppl there is 45+ who wants a group there aswell, and many sub45s get mad when they cant join a group.
I've been there from late 43 or early 44, cant remember, and to 50. I was never in as begging to join as sub47. we had 2 full groups when we started, with a few 47+ to tank, and we took the protecters (the lower lvl mobs at lair), and exp was uber for me at that time being. this group we gathered on our own, in gna, doing alot /send and spending alot of time grouping. Now as it is when some1 has a goal of 50 within a certain timeframe, like me, u want to maximize ur exp at the given lvl. at 49 I was there with FIVE other 49s and TWO 48s and 1 47, and 2 extras on the side 46+, we could chain execs without breaking a sweat. That day I got more than 30 requests to join I think, many of ppl that I know well etc, and I turned almost every request down coz we did not need anymore (I donno if we took in an extra runie cant recall). Half of these requests were from sub45s hanging around lair without getting a group (wonder why?).. I cant stand this. There is nothing wrong in asking for a group at all unless its ppl 7-10 lvls above u. and dont expect a yes from a group avrg more than 3-4 lvls above u, especially if u are a fighter. And there is NOTHING wrong with going to lair imho if u think u can deal with it, but STOP being childish when ur group gets slain and half the group releases or logs, and u cant join that 48+ group thats doing fine out there.. furthermore it doesnt help a damn thing to keep bugging them over and over.
I could come up with tons of examples of the annoying things that I've had to put up with out there, I have spend my last 6 lvls there, and a lot of hours.

Now dont get me wrong imo there is no problem in helping out lower lvls, but that stuff is usually within guild matters. another thing is, if u wanna help out a few low lvls, perhaps guildies, then pls check with yer team first, coz at 2 bubs from 50 we ended up being more than 18 ppl in group because of lousy leadership from out group leader.. that took me down from a nice streak of 35-45+ million exp per mob - chainpulling, to 10-20.. thats a bit lame, coz 10-20 even in a nonstopping chaining, is damn slow at 49.8..

btw attle, just a minor correction =)
Dragon roars at 12.00 and takes of around 5-10 mins (ingame) later, and returns just a few mins before 14.00. I dont know if its precisely the same every day but I think it is.

UBER TANK!
not so uber anymore :/

 

[cougar-]

well, when we started in lair it was all empty, and not 60 blue and green cons around us. Our group is seldom more then 10 ppl and we can still handle the pulls easy, who the 20+ ppl groups who stand next to us often cant, and then the like to run with the pull to us so all get wiped. remember some aesirs blade and nazgul ppl who gladly train mobs on us so all get wiped, im very happy i dont need to exp near u anymore.

 

[Killgorde]

A correction

Grond m8, much as I respect you. when referring to "nazgul" (I cant speak for Aesir's) you are talking out of your arse

In the past three days at the lair (and Attle, Bjodald and Loka as non-Naz members can back me up as independant witnesses) my group (16 maximum) has only suffered a wipeout on maybe 3 - 4 occasions.

a) When someone "lag-pulled" from the forest...which is the instance I seem to remember Grond possibly being a casualty of. Hardly a crime against humanity - shit happens. I think this has occurred twice. I do seem to remember a person of very high level (who shall remain nameless) lag-pulling the teleport guards in Emain the other nite...did he get a public crucifixion for his misdemeanor?

b) When while we were at the prime spot another group (who shall also remain nameless but were mostly higher level) obviously decided it would be humerous to pull their mobs directly through our "killing ground" when as we are all aware there are 3 or 4 different directions to pull from.

c) When attempting to resurrect someone on the "chicken-run" from H.

I can honestly say that everyone who has grouped with me (apart from a couple of notable exceptions) has behaved in an exemplary fashion - never complaining when they get fragged and never squabbling over drops. Ok, so theres always a cock-up now and then (there is a language problem with some of our Russian companions ) but in the main things go very smoothly.

Treating sub-45's like shit at the lair seems to be the norm, but all you high and mighty out there please bear one thing in mind: Sub 45's will one day be exactly the same as you, and they have got long memories. Or will it then be the case of "Hell boy - you only got 50k RP, how can you expect to mingle with us "Elite Super-Middies" when we wander round Emain solo-whoring for RP points? followed by the usual :Upyours:

One more thing. When you "Elite Super-Middies" have got your 50 and pissed off to Emain permanently (dragon-slaying aside), I will still be at the lair (alliance operations and guild duties aside) helping others in my guild max-level. And one thing peeps in my guild can testify to is that I have got a very long memory...

The truth may be painful, but as I have stated previously there are a lot of selfish fuckwits in Midgard.

Regards

Killgorde

PS Sorrry Runsy m8 for not being able to fit you in - we were full, and you would have been welcome had there been space. Since most of the anti-45 crap published above by others applies to you personally, I would seriously question who your "friends" are when they wont let you group with them.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by Grond
well, when we started in lair it was all empty, and not 60 blue and green cons around us. Our group is seldom more then 10 ppl and we can still handle the pulls easy, who the 20+ ppl groups who stand next to us often cant, and then the like to run with the pull to us so all get wiped. remember some aesirs blade and nazgul ppl who gladly train mobs on us so all get wiped, im very happy i dont need to exp near u anymore.

<sighs>

Grond.....why do you post stuff like this ??????

What motivates you to fuel the fires of the problems we got in the realm with half truths and pointless accusations. Jesus man, you made 50, whats the problem here. Have you still got a problem because you got wiped once or twice because of bad pulls at the lair ???? Do you hold a shitlist of every1 thats ever got you killed ????

If this is an 'NP are uber, we can handle the lair with 10 peeps' post, then thats crap. I've seen you lot get wiped, as my group has been wiped, as I'm sure every group thats ever xped there for any amount of time has been wiped. Shit happens !

This thread sums up all thats wrong in Midgard....

 

[old.Ransom]

guys its a game

remember its to have fun not war within ourselves

 

[old.chesnor]

Yeah Ransom, sure its a game. It's also a game that people invest LOTS of their spare time into playing. I have spent 20days on Chesnor, and many others have spent more.

Like, if you spent 20days painting your house and some kids came round and tore the place up, you'd get kinda pissed off right ???

 

[old.Ransom]

Originally posted by chesnor
Yeah Ransom, sure its a game. It's also a game that people invest LOTS of their spare time into playing. I have spent 20days on Chesnor, and many others have spent more.

Like, if you spent 20days painting your house and some kids came round and tore the place up, you'd get kinda pissed off right ???

i know where your coming from but i have also spent a hell of a long time playing once did a 22hour session ! see my siggy for details and i never had any guild member powerleveling me because i was the highest level up untill 3 days ago so i have worked for my level's but still shit happens but you have to take that in to consideration, think of all the awsome groups you have had then think about how many times people have made u lose exp ?

 

[old.Bee Man]

yes, Killgorde. some ppl from <BC> speak engl not very well
(hmm, like me but we try fix this problem. We post "Lair Rules" at our forum, where we try help our "crazy_russians_who_don't_speak_engl_language"

btw - Post was like post Attle (thx Attle for your Post - hope all read this)

and more... i know - Alb's help low lvl (40+) make 50 fastest as possible. Much 50 lvl ppl make powerlvling for guildmates and not only...
if we want up Mid - we need do same

Shit happens - hope we all be more peacefull

(grrr, i'm realy hope u undestand me

or u see
"Bee say's something in language u don't undestandt" ?

 

[cougar-]

a week ago some nazgul members started to tell some our new members that they shouldent had joined np since whole midgard hates np, and that we highlvls look down to lowlvls like 30 and they will notice this soon, and that they should join other guilds etc.
then ask me why have some realy low thoughts about most nazgul members.

and yes ches, u get anoyed when ur grouped gets whiped in lair and u get downtime for 1 hour, but im very forgiving troll so its forgetten by now.

 

[Killgorde]

I think Ransom summed it up perfectly when he said Daoc is "just a game."

Aye m8, as someone who loves football, golf, tennis, and numerous others but was and in some respects still is basically pisspoor at all of them (the only exception being table tennis), I feel I can speak with some authority on "games."

Things like sportsmanship, mutual respect for the opposition and ally alike and the "spirit of fair play," are what make games. Treating the less experienced like dog faeces stuck to the sole of your shoe, a selfish disregard for others and abyssmal behavior don't really enter into the equation. If you dare to call DaoC a "game" rather than "a get-together of fuckwits and well-meaning people" thats your call mate. I personally think the latter is more appropriate...but hell, thers a lot of nice peeps here in Midgard I have a great deal of time and respect for, and who know how to play the "game." They, I believe, are in the majority. Just a pity we have a healthy population of selfish twats around as well who do their level best to make it a less than enjoyable experience for others.

Nuff said.

Killgorde

GM - Nazgul

PS Nice to see some of Runsy's own peeps giving her a hand at the lair last nite for a change. If this thread has in someway been of benefit to her then at least it has been of some benefit. Hope to see you at the lair regularly Grond now you've capped 50 (grats m8)...levelling up your own low 40's

 

[cougar-]

hehe kil, well ofcourse all 50s should help the lowerlvls in lair since it gives them very good exp, only prob its so daaamn boring. lets see if i can manage to get my big hairy troll azz back in lair this weekend.

 

[old.Stix]

TBH it's retarded threads like this that show how lame Midgard really is.

40+ CAN go to the lair if they want.

Elitism of the sort that attempts to legislate for levels/classes (rogues have a major problem with groups) in exp areas is precisely the reason why so many people are utterly pissed off.

Finster said once that we lack any sense of 'realm'. I doubt that Albion is much different, but he's certainly right about Midgard.