Football The 2013 / 2014 Season Thread

[gohan]

What 3 world class passers did Ukraine have?

Did you mean Gerrard, Lampard and Wilshere? They couldn't keep a cold, let alone pass to each other.

Read my post! I said we had 3 players that ARE world class passers, but they didn't supply the strikers with anything today so it makes no difference who we had upfront because they wouldn't of got the ball anyway. And I said given the other options avaliable Milner is the only real choice, he works hard and will support the defence, the line up screamed going for a draw but with no teeth in attack what else was there to do?

 

[gohan]

After calling Wilshere, Lampard and Gerrard world class after watching the game tonight it is a little rich calling me that.

Again read my post. I said they are world class passers (or players either or) but that today they were shit and uncreative so it matters not who was upfront!

 

[ileks]

Thank god the international break is over.

Something for Soze:

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghJx_fxz8k

 

[Raven]

Same shit from England, names selected rather than quality.

 

[Scouse]

Hodgson is the most dullest cretinous manager alive

But don't let the Liverpool supporters tell you that eh? Round on them for having the temerity to want him out of the club!

Aaaaanyway. Thought England were shite. Gerrard and Lampard were wasted in m/f (they still can't play together) and the long balls were awful.

Should have had Defoe on too tbh.

 

[caLLous]

Based on tonight's display, Hodgson could probably field a better team picking just from Championship teams. There's some fantastic U21 players coming up so, assuming we ever get a manager with the balls to drop the oap's, we might get somewhere.

And I expect most if not all of the "injured" players will be back fully fit at the weekend. We need to learn from Germany's stance on international vs domestic football if we're ever going to get anywhere internationally. Otherwise it's just going to be the same old shit every 2 years.

 

[Scouse]

We need to learn from Germany's stance on international vs domestic football if we're ever going to get anywhere internationally

Who gives a fuck TBFH

 

[caLLous]

Germany do, that was my point. And look at the strength they have in their national team and throughout their league. I would love to see England genuinely challenging but we're just an embarrassment at this point in time. It's not going to happen with this generation of players, no matter who's in charge.

 

[Scouse]

I would love to see England genuinely challenging

I dont' really care either way. I find the internationals more of an awkward distraction that I suffer, sometimes with mild entertainment, than anything else tbh. The Premier League is still a better league than the german league and as long as that stays that way I don't really care if nationalism goes down the pan.

In football terms or politically tbfh

 

[Everz]

Read my post! I said we had 3 players that ARE world class passers, but they didn't supply the strikers with anything today so it makes no difference who we had upfront because they wouldn't of got the ball anyway. And I said given the other options avaliable Milner is the only real choice, he works hard and will support the defence, the line up screamed going for a draw but with no teeth in attack what else was there to do?

Gabby or Jarvis would have pissed over Milners job there, and if we wanted a passer in the midfield then Woy would have started Carrick who can keep a ball and pass far better then any of the names you mentioned. As for what else was there to do, show some fucking ambition, victory in Kiev would make our life a lot easier, do you truly believe that we will do the job? I can see Lewandowski having a field day, especially if they do Ukraine.

Also get to fuck is Wilshere world class, over-hyped beyond belief, he is nothing special at all at this moment at times. Gerrard and Lampard are past it.

Was I the only one begging Ukraine would score so that a shitstorm would occur?

 

[Everz]

I dont' really care either way. I find the internationals more of an awkward distraction that I suffer, sometimes with mild entertainment, than anything else tbh. The Premier League is still a better league than the german league and as long as that stays that way I don't really care if nationalism goes down the pan.

In football terms or politically tbfh

Come again? In terms of what? As the german teams happily shat over our equals last season.

 

[Scouse]

Come again? In terms of what? As the german teams happily shat over our equals last season.

I don't think their whole league has the strength in depth that the PL does.

I do like their pricing model for the fans tho.

 

[Billargh]

Strange, the majority of the people I've spoken to regarding whether England do well, that don't care/don't want England to do well have been Scousers or Mackems.

 

[Everz]

I'll add one thing, what the hell is up with the Wilshere hype? Two solid performances against Barca aside he has been utterly gash everytime I've seen him since, does he play better usually soze?

 

[Aoami]

He just seems to run at players and fall over, never looks for the pass

 

[soze]

I'll add one thing, what the hell is up with the Wilshere hype? Two solid performances against Barca aside he has been utterly gash everytime I've seen him since, does he play better usually soze?

Currently no. He is not fit it is that simple. The problem is he loves playing so as soon as he can kind of run in a straight line he wants to play again. And as he has the ability to turn a game with a single pass or little run we let him play. He could do with a month off to get fully fit then a few games with the reserves to get match fit. And I don't think he will be fully fit this season as he will keep being played on former reputation. But like Ramsey he will come good again we just need to hope it is sooner rather than later.

 

[rynnor]

Awful England performance - we are as likely to win the world cup as wales, scotland or northern ireland.

We should put out a merged team for GB really - always a few quality players in each country.

 

[Aoami]

At least we didn't lose to Luxembourg I suppose

 

[Hawkwind]

I'll add one thing, what the hell is up with the Wilshere hype? Two solid performances against Barca aside he has been utterly gash everytime I've seen him since, does he play better usually soze?

Yes he does, agree he was bad last night but then so were just about all the England players. I just can't fathom how players earning these wages can't make more than 3 or 4 passes between them without losing the damn ball. Our ball retention was shite and we were constantly on the back foot. Ukraine deserved a win and the pen appeal in the first few mins should have been given.

Walker was shocking. If he is all we have at right back we may as well give up now.

 

[Lethul]

A bit happy about England and Hodgsons performances.
Remember people in here saying Hodgson had nothing to do with Liverpools form a couple of years ago and that he was a good manager that deserved better

 

[soze]

But just like Liverpool, England were also shit before so it was still not his fault

 

[caLLous]

Hodgson was treated like shit from about 2 seconds after it was announced that he was the boss, he wasn't given a chance. Even Chelsea fans give their managers longer than that, it's no wonder Liverpool didn't perform well under him. Liverpool fans were wankers about it tbh, and it seems like they still are.

I still maintain that he's a good manager although perhaps mid-table teams are more his thing.

And I don't get the Wilshere hype either. He looks like a "proper" old school midfielder but he's really really not very good. And Walcott... well... Was he actually injured last night when he limped off? I notice he put a few sprints in between the injury and when he got subbed. It's almost as if he put the limp on to say to the crowd "I'm being subbed because of this injury not cos I'm shit".

 

[eksdee]

I still maintain that he's a good manager although perhaps mid-table teams are more his thing.

This. Also exactly why he was perfect for Liverpool.

 

[ileks]

People are really questioning Wilshere's ability? When he was in form last season he was Arsenal's (and easily Englands) best midfielder IMO.

 

[Raven]

That was before injury number X though, he has been average at best in his last few games. Probably partly due to match fitness, if that is the case then he should not be included in a cup qualifier. He was crap last night and not that great in the Arsenal games I have seen lately.

Something isn't right, the fact Arsenal rush him back into playing isn't helping at all. Wasn't he limping about holding his thigh in the last game?

 

[Aoami]

People are really questioning Wilshere's ability? When he was in form last season he was Arsenal's (and easily Englands) best midfielder IMO.

His performance wasn't just bad though. It was Extremely hungover pub team player bad. It is fair to single someone out for criticism when they play that badly imo. I think people are questioning his form more than his ability. On current form there is no way he should be in that England team over Carrick. Also, if he plays like that he shouldn't be in the Arsenal team either.

 

[ileks]

His performance wasn't just bad though. It was Extremely hungover pub team player bad. It is fair to single someone out for criticism when they play that badly imo. I think people are questioning his form more than his ability. On current form there is no way he should be in that England team over Carrick. Also, if he plays like that he shouldn't be in the Arsenal team either.

Oh yeah, he was dreadful last night and has been poor for Arsenal when he's been on the pitch this season. Hopefully with Ozil coming in he will get some time out.

 

[Scouse]

Hodgson was treated like shit from about 2 seconds after it was announced that he was the boss

Not true at all. Patently false.

Reason? This:

You must believe that you are the best and then make sure that you are

Hodgson came in and very quickly started trying to adjust the mentality of the fans (so to speak). But Liverpool fans know all about Bill Shankly. They've learned his lessons well and follow them with gusto.

Hodgson started talking out of his arse. Trying to take exactly the opposite position that Shankly would have taken. And we fought back against that.

Hodgson killed himself - the fans were giving him time but then he started spouting loser bile that the fans were never going to take. So he could fuck off.


Fast forward to now. An uninspired performance by a long-ball England side who, upon getting the ball, hoofed it up the field rather than try to play. And what does Hodgson say?:

I'm surprised to hear what I thought was a good performance and result might be being seen as an underwhelming performance.

It was an OK result Woy. But it was a painfully boring performance - the roots of which are based in your long-ball hoof-em tactics.

 

[Aoami]

Did you actually watch the game yesterday? IMO the reason we were so poor is because we didn't play enough hoof ball. Lambert was the best fit English striker available, and if he is playing, play to his strength. IMO England are better suited to playing hoofball anyway. Just because we couldnt string 2 passes together doesn't mean we were playing hoofball, it means the players played bad passing football.

 

[Scouse]

Yep I did Aoami. We'd either hoof it up the wing and hope that walcott would do something (he had a poor game) or that the incredibly speedy Milner would do something (lol) or we'd hoof it up to Lambert - who to be fair did a reasonable job of holding the ball up - but with nobody near enough to feed of him.

It was woeful. And I disagree that we are better at playing hoofball.

Should have played two up front. Defoe n Lambert would have been a better combo. Leaving Lampard in a defensive midfield role is ridiculous tbfh. And the Lampard-Gerrard-can't-play-together thing is (still) screamingly clear.

If you must play Gerrard in a DMF role, Woy, let him do it himself and have something up the park so his passing ability is taken advantage of - or put Carrick in that role and play Gerrard in a central role. Where he plays, with some distinction, for his club.

Should have been:

Defoe + Lambert
Young - Gerrard - Walcott
Carrick
Defence as it was
Shaky-hands-Hart