Football The 2011/2012 Season Thread

[Keitanz]

The summary? megadave posted it above, it's a few paragraphs of pretty concise information.

If people really want to call him a racist, there are 180 pages.. if they read all those pages and still think he's a racist then fine.. but people are just seeing that he has been given an 8match ban for it and are all calling him a racist and saying all kinds of horrible stuff.

It's a shame... he is a great great player but now all people are going to really remember is him apparently being a racist..

I dunno if Suarez giving rubbish evidence was due to a language barrier somewhere.. then again I suppose they had a translator.........

 

[Deebs]

The sooner we get rid of Lampard and Terry the better for the team. Get rid of the old Mourinho guard and mold the team to new management.

 

[Keitanz]

http://twitter.com/#!/piersmorgan/status/153125139242958848

 

[Deebs]

If people really want to call him a racist, there are 180 pages.. if they read all those pages and still think he's a racist then fine.. but people are just seeing that he has been given an 8match ban for it and are all calling him a racist and saying all kinds of horrible stuff.

It's a shame... he is a great great player but now all people are going to really remember is him apparently being a racist..

See this is how intolerant of anything this country has become. By the FA's measure I am leaning toward the "fucking racist" angle. I am of European descent (ie not fully British) but I call my best friend a business community friend, a close friend at work my slave (He is Indian). Am I racist? Am I fuck. Both know I joke and the guy at work always turns round to me, even when asking for him to make me a cup of tea and says "Is it cos I is brown?". He believes the white people are inferior to his race.

 

[Embattle]

Luiz was massively lazy on that second goal.

 

[Turamber]

I'd be worried for Villas~Boas, being out thought by that football genius Alex McLeish... Still I think we'd pinpointed Chelsea's tendency to tire In the latter stages of games, although Lampard did play a lovely through ball for Ireland.

 

[Corran]

Liverpool are just handling it just as every other club would have..

well that is a lie... chelsea as a team instantly said "no you can not do that" when the players wanted to wear a terry shirt.

Suarez may not be racist, that wasnt the case of point in this, it is that he used racist language to try antagonise an opponent.

Oh, and i hope they appeal and the ban gets extended. be hilarious. but i can see them dropping a game or 2 from it... but it will not be much if any. Do think they hit him harsh to give them room to lower it if they want.

Fact is, Suarez should have just admitted it and apologised. He didnt even though there appears to be alot of evidence supporting Evra and plenty to point thtat Suarez is making up his arguements as he goes (no consistancy). If liverpool continue to defend the behaviour then they are a joke of a club,defend the player but not the action. Wouldnt mind if they said "he is not racist but in the heat of the moment made a stupid mistake" but to try say it is all bullshit is not on

 

[Keitanz]

Can't really compare Suarez and Terry's cases though, as one is being handled by the CPS so is more serious.. I guess..

Not to mention Terry was born in this country and knows what is wrong and what is right and Suarez knew nothing it seems.

I just think Suarez completely fucked this up...

From beeb.. "He also said that his use of the word 'negro' to address Mr Evra was conciliatory and friendly. We rejected that evidence." .. I don't really understand how they can reject it.. sure, the word negro in this country is racist.. but back where Suarez comes from it means something totally different..

If they really want the kick it out campaign to be taken seriously then they should get the clubs to sit new players from foreign countries down and explain to them about it all.. not let them find out by themselves and hope they magically find out..

 

[Ch3tan]

Stop reading throw away sections and read the full summary at least then? You wonder why people have ago at you, it's because of stupid posts like the above. You present things as fact whilst at the same time admitting you haven't read into it.

If Suarez did even half of what was claimed in that report then he was clearly using racist language, it doesn't make him a racist, it makes him a fucking twat though.

 

[Corran]

THey rejected it because there was no way it could be friendly in the context that it was used... even a moron could figure that one out. 2 people arguing and one starts using "negro" constantly in an aggressive manner aint gonna be friendly.
He is a man, unless he is stupid he knew it wasnt acceptable in this country. He wouldnt go to Germany and call everyone a bunch of one balled fuckwit nazi's!

And it is the clubs job to educate the players, they cant expect the FA to do everything.

 

[Keitanz]

If Suarez did even half of what was claimed in that report then he was clearly using racist language, it doesn't make him a racist, it makes him a fucking twat though.

Same with Evra then for what he said?

 

[Corran]

Difference from saying "south american" once to saying "negro" 7+ times in a minute or two .... especially when one of them was basically "you fucking negro negro negro"
Was it right to say it (though Evra says he think he said it, apparently there no evidence that he did). NO.
Is it as bad as what Suarez done? No

 

[Keitanz]

THey rejected it because there was no way it could be friendly in the context that it was used... even a moron could figure that one out. 2 people arguing and one starts using "negro" constantly in an aggressive manner aint gonna be friendly.
He is a man, unless he is stupid he knew it wasnt acceptable in this country. He wouldnt go to Germany and call everyone a bunch of one balled fuckwit nazi's!

And it is the clubs job to educate the players, they cant expect the FA to do everything.

It doesn't matter what context that it was used in, using an racist word is racism... even a moron could figure that one out that's really not my point. But the point is negrito isn't a term which is even offensive in Uruguay.. he should have simply been warned and given 3 chances, if he blew all chances then a permanent ban from English Football forever would have been the best solution. But nah, the FA wanted to make a statement.. doesn't help that it was all blown up a lot by it being a Man Utd - Liverpool thing... If it was a lesser known player in League 1 who had said it then I doubt he would have even got a 4 match ban..

How is he supposed to know what is/is not acceptable in this country? how does it make him stupid if he doesn't know? do you know what's acceptable in Uruguay/Holland/France etc? no thought not, that makes you stupid right?....

It doesn't actually matter who educates the players on what is wrong/right but really, someone really should do as it doesn't seem to happen.. Players have to find out by word of mouth it seems.

 

[Lethul]

Evra claims he told the Ref!!! The ref had no knowledge of the incident........

UMMMMMM - hello???

 

[Keitanz]

Difference from saying "south american" once to saying "negro" 7+ times in a minute or two .... especially when one of them was basically "you fucking negro negro negro"
Was it right to say it (though Evra says he think he said it, apparently there no evidence that he did). NO.
Is it as bad as what Suarez done? No

Is there any evidence that Suarez said negro 7+ times in a minute or two? I read the summary and it isn't mentioned that he admitted it or anything... maybe they got a super duper lip reading expert in..

 

[Keitanz]

I think it's funny that Suarez according to Evra said "I don't speak to blacks". .. his grandfather was black, so didn't he speak to him .... and he apparently supports "a charitable project in South Africa designed to promote multi-racial football. "

Does he get someone to talk to them for him then?

 

[Corran]

I think it's funny that Suarez according to Evra said "I don't speak to blacks". .. his grandfather was black, so didn't he speak to him .... and he apparently supports "a charitable project in South Africa designed to promote multi-racial football. "

Does he get someone to talk to them for him then?

actually from watching something on the news they had spanish translators and lip readers viewing many "unreleased to the public" video footage from many angles to see what was actually said and the manners in which it could be taken. So yes there is evidence and it is noted in the report which will be read when i not been drinking


and just because he said it, doesnt mean it true. he was speaking to evra throughout the match so you know it was said to piss him off.

 

[caLLous]

But the point is negrito isn't a term which is even offensive in Uruguay..

(3) We received expert evidence as to the use of the word "negro" in Uruguay and other areas of Latin America. It is often used as a noun to address people, whether family, friends or passers-by, and is widely seen as inoffensive. However, its use can also be offensive. It depends on the context. It is inoffensive when its use implies a sense of rapport or the attempt to create such rapport. However, if it were used, for example, with a sneer, then it might carry negative connotations. The Spanish language experts told us that if Mr Suarez said the things that Mr Evra alleged, they would be considered racially offensive in Uruguay and other regions of Latin America (paragraphs 162 to 202 above).

I don't know why you can't just read it.

How is he supposed to know what is/is not acceptable in this country? how does it make him stupid if he doesn't know? do you know what's acceptable in Uruguay/Holland/France etc? no thought not, that makes you stupid right?...

He is supposed to know because he lives and works there.

Notice that other Liverpool fans, like Scouse, who is always up for an argument, aren't in here defending him without any facts like you are. He probably read the summary.

 

[Ormorof]

from what i read they rejected Suarez evidence as there wouldnt have been such a big argument if he hadnt used the language that he did

great footballer, shame he is a bit of a tit though (goes for a lot of footballers i guess!)

 

[Keitanz]

I don't know why you can't just read it.

He is supposed to know because he lives and works there.

Notice that other Liverpool fans, like Scouse, who is always up for an argument, aren't in here defending him without any facts like you are. He probably read the summary.

I did read the summary.. just saying that Evra is a dick for his part in it too.

 

[- English -]

Who gives a fk tbh, slap them both with a ban and be on with it

 

[Keitanz]

It doesn't really matter if a Man Utd player does wrong.... I don't think Rooney even got punished for swearing down a tv camera to millions of viewers.

Yet Suarez gets a 1 match ban for a gesture which 99% of people who watched the game didn't even see because it was after the match afaik.

 

[caLLous]

I'm not a defender of United or their players but those were two very different situations. Rooney's was charged with emotion after pretty much single-handedly dragging his team back from being behind to being in front (if memory serves) and Suarez's was a sulky "we lost fuck you" directed at the opposition fans.

 

[Corran]

It doesn't really matter if a Man Utd player does wrong.... I don't think Rooney even got punished for swearing down a tv camera to millions of viewers.

Yet Suarez gets a 1 match ban for a gesture which 99% of people who watched the game didn't even see because it was after the match afaik.

haha you are a dick. he got banned for awhile for it. think it was 3 games but cant be sure on duration

 

[rynnor]

It doesn't really matter if a Man Utd player does wrong.... I don't think Rooney even got punished for swearing down a tv camera to millions of viewers.

Yet Suarez gets a 1 match ban for a gesture which 99% of people who watched the game didn't even see because it was after the match afaik.

He could have faced criminal charges for incitement for that - you really think saying fuck while a camera is homed in on you is as bad as inciting a crowd of opposition fans?

 

[soze]

Fact is, Suarez should have just admitted it and apologised. He didnt even though there appears to be alot of evidence supporting Evra and plenty to point thtat Suarez is making up his arguements as he goes (no consistancy). If liverpool continue to defend the behaviour then they are a joke of a club,defend the player but not the action. Wouldnt mind if they said "he is not racist but in the heat of the moment made a stupid mistake" but to try say it is all bullshit is not on

From what i had read Suarez has been very apologetic since being told what he said was wrong. I am fairly sure at one stage Fergie said it was all over and done with but the next day said that as Evra had decided to go forward the club had to back him.

 

[Corran]

was a 2 match ban btw. if you cared about not coming across clueless you could have googled "rooney camera swears ban" and that be enough to see dcision

 

[Keitanz]

haha you are a dick. he got banned for awhile for it. think it was 3 games but cant be sure on duration

ah yep I see 2 match ban, missed that there was something bad Rooney did a while back and he didn't get punished, can't remember it though.

 

[Keitanz]

He could have faced criminal charges for incitement for that - you really think saying fuck while a camera is homed in on you is as bad as inciting a crowd of opposition fans?

erm yes? Rooney is a role model to probably millions of children...

 

[Corran]

haha, so children saying "Fuck you" is as bad as people rioting/fighting. Yeah right!