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feel sorry for Hamilton... he followed team orders because.. well he owes them his entire career and so he shows all his loyalty to them and paying for it.

I dont understand why mclaren done it... for 1 point... it insane, and to be fair they would most likely have been given 3rd place if they were truthful with what happened.

Seems a shame really but that is life.

Best thing is that Hamilton has come out and spoke about it, credit to him.
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The FIA probably loving this, they always had a problem with McLaren but this time it sounds like the right choice was made.. unfortunately now FIA/Stewards are going to be even worse then last season...
 

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feel sorry for Hamilton... he followed team orders because.. well he owes them his entire career and so he shows all his loyalty to them and paying for it.

I dont understand why mclaren done it... for 1 point... it insane, and to be fair they would most likely have been given 3rd place if they were truthful with what happened.

Seems a shame really but that is life.

Best thing is that Hamilton has come out and spoke about it, credit to him.
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The FIA probably loving this, they always had a problem with McLaren but this time it sounds like the right choice was made.. unfortunately now FIA/Stewards are going to be even worse then last season...

The stewards have even greater powers than last year, so that only stands to reason anyway for all teams :)
 

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I don't, tax dodging whinging krytonolike (in smug mode)

to be honest, if i had money i wouldnt live in britain, it a shithole currently in most places and taxes levels are stupid (on everything, it petrol etc) . Ontop of that you have no private life with the press, and by living abroad most wont camp your doorstep.. but that just me. I dont hold a ton of loyalty to this government no matter how much i like my country they are ruining it with their crap in recent years
 

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I don't, tax dodging whinging krytonolike (in smug mode)

Feeling smug cos the good looking, young, multi-millionaire who drives fast cars for a living, lives in Monte Carlo and is shagging a pussy cat doll got disqualified from a race.

Aight :D
 

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at the end of the day he lied to a race steward (twice, even after they had heard the tapes and knew he was lying) and now hes acting like a 5 year old, suck it up and get on with it :p

that said looks like Button is flying out there! anyone know if the dispute the other teams brought forward last week about Brawns cars has been dealt with yet?
 

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at the end of the day he lied to a race steward (twice, even after they had heard the tapes and knew he was lying) and now hes acting like a 5 year old, suck it up and get on with it :p

that said looks like Button is flying out there! anyone know if the dispute the other teams brought forward last week about Brawns cars has been dealt with yet?

nope, it not dealt with till after this race, belive it something like the 14th that it is being heard. At which point either the brawn car is screwed or the other teams are doing a complete redesign for the second half of the season (apparently it takes alot of changes to get the diffuser working right with the rest of the aerodynamics.)

I cant see the cars being deemed as illegal. They already passed initial inspection and FIA inspection following the first complaints after they past initial inspection.
 

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Nope, did I miss the point here? :(

I don't really see Raven's point either.

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Pedantic point: Lewis Hamilton lives in Switzerland and has an apartment in Geneva!
 

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The FIA probably loving this, they always had a problem with McLaren but this time it sounds like the right choice was made.. unfortunately now FIA/Stewards are going to be even worse then last season...

I stopped watching F1 years ago when it was made clear that if it wasn't red it wasn't allowed to win.

Also events like Schumacher deliberately knocking Hill off the track to win the 1994 season was it for me. Any ruling body whose eyes are that closed despite all evidence is a farce.

Watched that vid a 100 times and it absolutely clear to me Schumacher did it on purpose. He knew exactly where Hill was and had to stop him passing.

YouTube - Schumacher Hill 1994 crash Australia

The fact that they can't even agree on the rules for the sport is absolutely hilarious, whose actually in charge?
 

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rumor has it hamilton has cut a deal with max mosely (who isnt exactly a mclaren fan) which will mean the team will get busted rather than him personally o_O
 

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rumor has it hamilton has cut a deal with max mosely (who isnt exactly a mclaren fan) which will mean the team will get busted rather than him personally o_O

they were always going to go after McLaren, especially after the Hamilton interview where he stated he was order to do it and didnt have time to even argue due to the fact they got dragged right into the hearing.

FIA could do what? Ban hamilton for the season, that was never going to happen because they would have lost way to many ticket sales etc, and the tv ratings would plummet (i wouldnt watch it as hamilton one the few drivers that takes risks).

So that leaves going after mclaren.... again... something the FIA just love to do it seems. Probably once again ban them from the construction championship and smash them with a massive fine. FIA will also need to make sure the defusers are deemed illegal so Ferrari can start getting some points and win constructors and possibly the driver championships.
 

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lol @ eddie irvine laying into raikkonen. good to see a pundit speaking their mind for a change.
 

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lol @ eddie irvine laying into raikkonen. good to see a pundit speaking their mind for a change.
Well as a driver and later team owner, he's perfectly qualified to comment on it.
I think the watchword for the lap 1 crash was:

SPECTACULAR!

And yay for Button! Anyone who admits to watching porn when their g/f is away gets the thumbs up from me.
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after such a massive smash at the start the excitment kinda ebbed out of todays race. was a bit of a shame,

the good news for me was is hamilton coming out to say they hope to have a car up to championship standards at silverstone. As it the last silverstone race for at least a long time (grr damn donnington better come through else be more disappointed at silversont losing it) I hope hamilton can put up a good showing. Least a good chance of british winner with button though if that was the case.

Im so looking forward to the British grand prix... fact it the last silverstone race makes it mean a lot more that i get to go to it and be pampered :clap:

6 weeks to wait though, but then i am trying to plan wedding in cyprus for next year so i guess that keep me occupied/distracted for awhile :D
 

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Is it true Ferrari is pulling out next season? :sex:

it may be posturing, but it is on their own website that if the proposed rules do not get changed then they will not be taking part. So that 60yrs of F1 history down the pan thanks to max mosley.

I wondering if they just seeing if this pushes FIA to reasses the plans, because to be fair they are rediculous. Teams looking to cut costs but the two tier system is insane as it means the constructors (ie mclaren, ferrari, renault, toyota) will not be able to compete. It costs them a lot more to construct an engine then it will for others to buy them from Cosworth where the development costs are spread out between every team that purchases from them. THis means they be having to race outside the budget caps and so at an extreme disadvantage.

So yes, the budget cap may bring in new teams... however it is going to probably disappoint alot of people due to the teams people like to follow no longer having any part in it.

Afteral look at this year, no budget cap yet the lower budgeted team is already the one that is smashing all opposition so not like they can argue it to make it fairer on lower budgeted teams when Brawn already showing you dont need the money of Ferrari/McLaren to win
 

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Afteral look at this year, no budget cap yet the lower budgeted team is already the one that is smashing all opposition so not like they can argue it to make it fairer on lower budgeted teams when Brawn already showing you dont need the money of Ferrari/McLaren to win

Sorry to say it mate but Brawn is based off of Honda who had a budget not that far off of Renault/Toyota. They produced a rubbish car in 2008 so spent their entire resources developing a car for 2009. Granted their budget now is very low, hence the probability that other teams will catch them as the season progresses but that car has still been built off of the foundations of a multi-multi-million pound corporation.

There is no real comparison as of yet because no team currently on the grid is truly independant with a low budget... Williams maybe?

The low budget isn't so much the issue; it's more the fact that the manufacturer teams are in the sport as part of promoting their company and to remove the last solice of what they create is to basically turn them all into a team seperate from their corporate image.

As for the option of developing with those restrictions; a movable front and rear wing will increase lap times by 2-3 seconds per lap according to which circuit they're racing on and engine rev limitations being 2000 different influence speeds of around 0.5-1 second a lap. Even considering the minimum differences, how plausible would it be for any team to try and gain 2.5seconds per lap in development, without the cap, just to maintain their corporate image...

It most definitely would be a two tier championship which wouldn't work...even with 26 cars on the grid, if McLaren/toyota/renault/ferrari/BMW all want to maintain themselves as manuafacturer teams, only 16 of the cars on the grid would be competitive... the rest would be in the races for the sake of it.

Personally I'm not sure a championship would survive with 5 of the current teams dropping out so some sort of middle ground has to be put in place, even if it isn't with regards to the budget cap (Which I kind of agree with).
 

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it is running the "honda" car, yes. But alot of things had to be messed about, afteral they didnt even have an engine till about 3weeks before teh season started.

Their budget may be up with the other "manufacturers", but it is significantly smaller then ferrari/mclaren which is the only people i mentioned. Yes they focused on this years car more then mclaren/ferrari however their advantage didnt come from this alone, they also interpreted rules in a manner that few others did which is their advantage still.

And like i said, no manufacture will be able to compete under the proposed regulations, they will have to throw away their identity and that totally defeats the point of them being in it.

Wouldnt surprise me if Prost steps his team up to F1 if these regulations go through... but to be honest i think they need to double the cap to like £80m if they want to be realistic and keep the manufacturers involved. And they cant complain that is too much considering the size of the fine they gave mclaren for the spy scandel.

F1 wouldnt be F1 without the manufacturer teams, that is for sure. It will be to business like where people wont be able to take risks that may cost money (ie drivers be told not to risk any sort of collision as can cost hundreds of thousands/millions to repair). Would be rather dull, hell the weekends one was dull enough after the first lap crash
 

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I have to laugh at Ferrari and them saying it would create a 2 tier grid. I didn't see them having a problem with this when they were spending far more than other teams before and winning races. I think what is clear is Ferrari don't like losing, each side will test the other, will Ferrari really quit F1 and despite what has been said will Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone really let them leave.

F1 has always had a 2 even 3 tier system based on how much you are willing to spend on your car. For the past 10 years it has been Ferrari and McLaren dominant, then a bunch of other teams like Red Bull, Renault etc in the middle with moving chicanes like Super Aguri, Minardi (names change) bringing up the rear.

When I started watching F1 a long time ago in the 1980's there were not that many car manufacturers with their own team. A lot of them made engines for the private teams, Senna for example won his championships with a Honda powered car but he wasn't driving a Honda, he drove a McLaren. Same with Schumachers first championships, he drove Ford and Renault powered Benettons.

I can see F1 going back to being privately owned teams like it used to be.
 

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I agree Gibbo, it will all go private.

but there a difference between current rules and the new ones. In that the new rules purposely make sure that anyone that doesnt take the budget cap option will not win anything. They are handicapped from the very beginning.

Red Bull have also stated that they are discussing withdrawing from F1 due to these new rules. Red Bull and Brawn, both not got the Ferrari/McLaren budget and by far the best 2 teams at the moment.

So budget cap may actually leave Brawn GP without any serious competition because with their technical know-how (Brawn is tactical genius as well), and with the car they got now that they can use a bases for development they will start of in a great position for next year.

Take out 3 teams that already said they may quit if it these rules.

Ferrari, - they given the threat, and shareholder be pleased to not make further business losses through F1 team. F1 and Ferrari gone hand in hand since 1950.

Red Bull, - already stated they may quit due to rules

Toyota - already stated they may quit due to rules.


So even if lose just the 3 teams that been vocal in the possibility of quitting you have lost a team that always historically been there, and 2 of the top 3 current teams in this years championship.

If you add in mclaren etc then you looking at races without any of the teams that currently attract the fans (Especially Ferrari). Means that there be less money through sponsorship to teams and could bring the downfall of the competition.

If the FIA/Berni continue to push this i can/hope for a break away championship. May take a few years to get it up and running but if ferrari and other teams pull out of F1 and FOTA discussions come around to a break away championship then we could be saying goodbye to everything we know as F1
 

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I'm really lost on what's going on F1 now, havent followed it for about a year, what the hell has happened? :(
 

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I'm really lost on what's going on F1 now, havent followed it for about a year, what the hell has happened? :(

Ferrari just threatened to pull out and gave the FIA an ultimatum with regards to the spending caps to be introduced next year...
 

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Ferrari just threatened to pull out and gave the FIA an ultimatum with regards to the spending caps to be introduced next year...

Renault have now also stated that they will not be participating next year unless the proposed rules are changed. So they were expecting 24 cars next season. But it looks like that going to be down to 16 with ferrari, renault, red bull and toyota all stating they will not participate with the rules.

If Mosley/Bernie wanted to shake things up it certainly worked, though properly not in the way they had hoped. lol
 

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Renault to quit F1 over rules - AOL Sport

yeah this is the news about renault not wanting in 2010 formula 1.... i want to see what would happen if bernie ecclestone and fabio briatore from renault have a bust up as they both own QPR :( and i want them out already :p
 

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