thats it my warrior will never come out again.

[old.Krusha]

read on catacombs the Dev chat log (and varied comments on VNBoards) about the upcoming MELEE patch.
(full log here)

its the comment to Jaws question that disturbs me the most:

[01:30] <SamuraiCat> <[NP]JawZ> Question : Warriors from the "melee realm" stand no chanse vs the pure tanks of the other realms, LW/CS heros and polearmsmen... are you aware of this and are warrior going to get some ability (not RA) like heros got their stag form + LW spec, armsmen got their polearms.
[01:32] <SamuraiCat> Anyone?
[01:32] <SamuraiCat> Bueller?
[01:32] <Sanya_Mythic> A head to head to head comparision doesn't result an any obscene disparity
[01:32] <Sanya_Mythic> It still needs looking at
[01:33] <Sanya_Mythic> Please understand that we're trying to go about changing classes in a much more incremental way lately
[01:33] <Sanya_Mythic> So we don't have to undo anything
[01:33] <SamuraiCat> Guys try not to get TOO specific with your questions...
[01:34] <Sanya_Mythic> No, the warriors aren't getting anything that specific in this patch, is the short answer
[01:34] <Sanya_Mythic> done!

(/em wonders if Sanya has ever played the game.)

So in short all the fixes the warrior class gets is the general fixes, leaving us hopelessly last (not even close to the 2nd) of the "heavy" tanks?

If you give the same to all it wont change anything, noones asking to be uber just something to put us on par.

atleast i got a new line added to my sig

Well it was fun while it lasted

 

[Cowled]

I hate mythic .. they never played the game they created, so funny.

 

[Tigerius]

With the fixing of Parry and Block in RvR, I for one believe the Warrior is on par. I believe those specced entirely for a 2Hed weapon will be a tad screwed by the rate you guys will Block/Parry. Since you need no alternate spec to gain acces to 2H weapons you can also utilize this the most without dropping a rock solid defense spec. Have faith, I think 1.53 will be pleasant for you.

That being said, I DO agree that the warrior lacks something class defining whatsoever.

 

[old.Krusha]

well with the upcoming respecc the hero and armsman can respecc to be as good as a warrior defensively so no we we wont be on par... even if they dont respecc defensively they will still outdmg us ..

if i block 5 out of 10 hits a hero will kill me , if he parrys 3 out of 10 blows he will still live (he being hero/armsman)

on the other hand .. what kills me 9 out of 10 times in rvr is the ol stun/mezz - nuke routine

 

[Killgorde]

/Sympathises

Having read the entire text, I kinda start asking the question "What planet are the Devs on?" - but I've seen the same kinda side-stepping bullshit elsewhere and it's par for the course. It's like the Thane Armour thing - and the majority of other "Middie armour sucks graphically" threads on VN. Not that I give a toss about the look personally, just with the fact 1000 peeps bitch about in on VN and they can't be arsed to make an effort to placate them. I seriously wouldn't mind them nerfing Thanes in some way, just to show that they are aware that class actually exists and the same probably applies to the Warriors out there.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by old.Krusha
well with the upcoming respecc the hero and armsman can respecc to be as good as a warrior defensively so no we we wont be on par... even if they dont respecc defensively they will still outdmg us ..

Thing with Warrior is that you don't have to spec differently from the only cookie-cutter template, 50 weapon/42 shield/39 parry, to be both offensively and defensively specced. Then again, you knew that I think Armsmen nor Hero aren't as flexible, they'll have to give up efficiency in the other. Moose is absurd anyway, maybe it should've been a BM ability as ratboy mode is zerkers ability, who knows.

 

[Cowled]

Is this taking off the irc?

What channel?

 

[Tigerius]

As Belth said, you still have the option to go for a full defensive template and yet have fully as effective 2H, whereas a Hero and Armsman inevitably have to sacrifice alot of points from somewhere to by Shield/Spear Hybrids.

Another seldomly raised issue is exactly how good Mid styles are compared to especially Hibernian.

 

[old.Krusha]

well the heroes and armsman can specc an equally defensive template. But yes we can swing a 2h as good as a 1h, but with far less dmg output, if you keep the template you got now (hero/armsman) you will still kill warriors... how many hits does it take to kill a warrior? and how many hits from a 1h weapon does it take to kill you? see what i mean.............

 

[Slinker]

Found this bit funny

[01:33] <SamuraiCat> Guys try not to get TOO specific with your questions

 

[old.Biffsmash]

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old.krusha
But yes we can swing a 2h as good as a 1h, but with far less dmg output
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How can it be with far less damage output? If you have high 2 hand weps and hero has high Large Weaponry.
I dont know hardly anything about mellee, but surely that statement is wrong?

edit: oh and I do agree that warriors need a class defining skill, just that surely they can still do good damage.

 

[old.Krusha]

that is because alb/hib have 2h styles and 1h styles, whereas mid doesnt.. even mythic has acknowledged that fact.

Hell the amount of dmg ive been hit with repeatedly is way more than i ever hit with a crit and dmgbuff ONCE ... vs even cons (even when we had all 3 str relics....)

Mid has something liek 115% bonus on 2h and alb/hib has upwards 140% bonus on 2h.

I couldn't find the thread on VNboards.. its probably on page 50 (damn them for not having a search function) where origen had done extensive testing in 1vs1 duels with his fellow TL's both unbuffed and no intervention. The warrior was sadly outgunned.

 

[old.Biffsmash]

No need to pull out the thread.

Give warriors a damn class defining ability damnit

As I said I am not hot on mellee and as such, being hit for 400+ by yellow mids, to me is painfull, but I never really know what class they are or if 400 damage is a lot.

Lets hope they sort out warriors so that peeps can be happy with the class

 

[old.Krusha]

hehe was nothing personal against you mate.. its just that since i have a warrior and i was arsed to play him to 50 i feel a little bit extra for the little guy.

But its mythics trackrecord of not being able to balance anything only by destroying the good classes and ignoring the weak.

Thats whats pissing me off, that and reading the chatlog and seeing firsthand the intelligence of the ppl responsible (or got direct input) for the game we continually pay for .... its just sad really.

But no worries i can use my warrior to PL guildies or farm cash to our crafters.. since in PvE you can have downtime and drawnout fights.. and thats where a warrior is good .

And til then ill just enjoy alb/prydwen with my Infi

 

[old.Biffsmash]

No offence taken

But I agree, mythic do tend to nerf the stronger classes, instead of improving on the weaker ones.

Luckily for me my bard gets loving next patch and I cant wait

 

[Insurrextion]

mythic plays hibernia

 

[old.Biffsmash]

Woohoo!

New lovin for all my alts soon too then I hope lol

 

[old.Krusha]

Originally posted by Insurrextion
mythic plays hibernia

wow .. didnt think they played daoc at all.... airhockey at the most...

or onehanded clap contest ....

 

[old.LandShark]

1H warrior > 1H hero or armsman, apart from m00se obviously. D:

 

[old.Krusha]

if that is so then its 1hwarrior< moose boy with 1h ...

 

[Tigerius]

Originally posted by old.Krusha

Hell the amount of dmg ive been hit with repeatedly is way more than i ever hit with a crit and dmgbuff ONCE ... vs even cons (even when we had all 3 str relics....)

Mid has something liek 115% bonus on 2h and alb/hib has upwards 140% bonus on 2h.

I for one have never been hit for more than 500 in melee (disregarding critical hits), a spearo with bonus to my armor type on average takes me for around 300 due to the lack of decent styles I'd say. Now take a look at this little SS I put to heart when researching on different styles.
http://www.strike9.com/file.aspx/path=/Harbringer/fullsize/mancess.jpg

I know individual cases are hardly the most telling, but there is no denying that both of those styles achieve a very good damage definately in line with Hib and Mid 2H.

 

[Northstarr]

lol i like the macro in your q-bar marked DIE

 

[old.Krusha]

tigerius .. need more than a SS to say anything.. who owned how many STR relics.. qual and dps on weapons +enchantment bonus .. stats like wskill str etc ... armor on target.. lvl difference etc etc... just because you hit for 700 dont say anything at all. Theres just to many facors to consider.

 

[belth]

Relics don't increase your cap, but 700+ hit? Only zerkers have hit me for that much in melee and that's in ratboy mode. No I don't count those gay 2-h PA's as melee

 

[splash0r]

Well what can i say this game is loosing its apeal for me as a tank when infils and ans suchs even owns a heavy tank in RVR ive got a good alround specc i think for rvr and im a hammer warrior this means i have a pretty high dmg output for a warrior .

But i dont stand a chance agianst nukers stealthers and heros most of the time my speccs are 43 parry 46 hammer 43 shield
pretty good i feel but it still dosent make a diffrence in RVR and it´s frustrating to play a warrior due to the fact mythic dont give a shit about warroirs doubt the ever will .

On the other hand warriors are uberexp machines without doubt but what good does that do when i want to play RVR well its time to move on to a new char for me cus atm i get sad when i play my tank ur pretty helpless in RVR and that´s not my idea of fun this is not a whinne tread im just very dissapointed in mythic and their ways of nerfing this and that so its time to park the tank :/

 

[old.Krusha]

lo splashor mate, come on in and put yer boots up. I myself has moved on other chars on alb/prydw, since i couldt delete my mid/exc chars. But im not alone there atleast, alot of mid/rxc players are around.

And no str relics doesnt raise cap (i think, i hope) but gank a lvl0mob and see what your cap is.. as i said til we know all factors going with that pic it doesnt say or mean jack about dmg output.

 

[splash0r]

lol well either that or get my 3 remaning dots to 50.5 ?

as i said im good at exping lol

 

[old.Odysseus]

Mythics way of 'balancing' (im using the archer as an example)

Casters whine over being mutilated with no chance of survival.
Mythic gives every caster self-bt
Casters still whine
Mythic cancels the plans to fix bugged pets and LoS
Casters whine more
Mythic invents nearsight
Casters whine more
Mythic increase fumbles and misses
Casters whine more
Mythic invents ability see hidden

Mythic are quite good at nerfing archers without really taking something directly away, but mostly by increasing the power of those we fight.

 

[splash0r]

I wonder how long DAOC will last amt many ppl getting teird of mythics bullshit atm

 

[Negura`]

:wub: