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Hah. Wish my dad was on skype so I could call him, he will be made up
 

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I didnt really agree with her politics but seeing her on the TV in the years before she died made me feel very sorry for her and her family.
At least she died peacefully.
 

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Modernized the UK when it was needed, wouldn't want to be around if she didn't do what she did, tbh.
 

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Hope im back in the uk in time to protest against having to pay for her funeral
 

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If it wasn't for Thatcher we would have the economy of Poland and have far too much coal piled up all over the place. They say it's grim up North, it would be grimmer if everyone had to hide all the coal they had dug up, under the bed to pretend someone actually wants it.

Not overly bothered she died, not overly bothered that anyone dies tbh, as they say...everyone dies.
 

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A remarkable woman who played the patriarchal game for over a decade....but I cant quite forget what she did to the Mining communities and the whole privatising issue AND the Poll tax. But she was glorious over the Falklands and council housing ownership and I admire her stubborness over Europe. She did turn Britain round and she was the one who introduced Gorbachev to Reagan to end the Cold War. A totally focused women who couldn't even be bombed.
 
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A remarkable woman who played the patriarcal game for over a decade....but I cant quite forget what she did to the Mining communities and the whole privatising issue AND the Poll tax. But she was glorious over the Falklands and council housing ownership and I admire her stubborness over Europe.

This. You don't have to agree with every policy to respect someone as a leader.
 

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I'd rather have divisive politicians who inspire people to great things (either side of the political argument) than wet blankets like Ted Heath, James Callaghan, Gordon Brown and even David Cameron (who's a PR man not a leader).

Would you rather have a deserted funeral, or a funeral packed with supporters (while a similarly-sized crowd wait outside, chanting hate)?
 

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Ding Dong the Witch is dead.

Was gonna sing this myself.

Laissez-faire is an abject failure but now the genie is out of the bottle we can't put it back.


Edit: As for what Tom said above - I don't necessarily mind devisiveness - but they have to achieve positive results rather than fuck things up, which she measurably did.
 

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good thing she didn't die last Monday, no one would have believed it
 

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Scousers have to have a knee-jerk Anti-Thatcher stance; its in their Alan Bleasdale script; "How To Be A Scouser...La", that they're all given at birth, along with a comedy curly wig and moustache.

What kind of a fuckwit wants to work down a coal mine anyway?
 

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Hah. Wish my dad was on skype so I could call him, he will be made up

You don't have to make up your father, we still love you :love:

More seriously though; she was always a good pick in Nuclear War. Same RIPs to her as to any world leader.
 

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Those who want money, or am I missing something blatantly obvious?

I can think of an awful lot of less unpleasant ways to get the kind of money they were earning.
 

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What kind of a fuckwit wants to work down a coal mine anyway?
I don't have a problem with her reforming the type of economy the way she did. I have a problem with her gutting social safeguards and loosening up economic controls so much that we're in the shit right now for it.
 

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I don't have a problem with her reforming the type of economy the way she did. I have a problem with her gutting social safeguards and loosening up economic controls so much that we're in the shit right now for it.

Wat.
 

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You don't see the connection between thatcherite economic reforms and the financial crash 30 years later?

Funny.

I see the connection between thatcherite economic reforms and the boom that Tony Blair claimed all the glory for, and the financial crash that he later caused...

Labour - spendsallthemoneybecauseunpopularforputtingcountryintotheshit Boom -> Bust

Tories - savesmoneybecomesunpopularforbeingtight- Bust -> Boom
 

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Show me a politician who did everything right by everyone and i'll show you a dictator ;)
 

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I don't have a problem with her reforming the type of economy the way she did. I have a problem with her gutting social safeguards and loosening up economic controls so much that we're in the shit right now for it.

Funnily enough I don't disagree. However, as others have pointed out, the worst excesses of laissez-faire regulation came under Labour, and I have the sneaking suspicion that it wouldn't have mattered what our political history was, we'd still have ended up in the same place, because the banking system seems to exist in a parallel universe not subject to economic, legal or political control.

You also have to remember that most of British economic life was dramatically over-regulated by the early eighties, to the point where economy was almost paralysed. The unions had to be tamed (I started work as an apprentice in 1981 and was forced into a union - MSF - against my will, forced on strike against my will; although they made an exemption for apprentices in the end so we had to cross picket lines; which was fun. It was a ridiculous situation), and the country had to be turned into a better place to do business, or we were fucked. Yes, a load of unpleasant shit happened along the way, but Michael Foot and his donkey jacket wasn't a credible alternative.

The only thing where I think she made a fundamental mistake was abandoning manufacturing and technology for the financial services and the so-called "service economy". Yes, we weren't competitive, but Germany and even France have proved that you can be a high cost economy and still compete if you're productive enough. I think she didn't believe in technology as a strategic asset.
 

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