Thank god I'm not a newcomer

[Garaen]

I had a group a week ago with my alt, level 45 + Cleric, must of been ebay bought. Was in Avalon and he fully buffed about 3 member's of the group, and left the rest of us "Because we were'nt getting hit". Was a shite healer as well, always talking and people started dying, when people complained about him talking and not healing the reply was "Dont get aggro then".

I can always tell when we have a newbie cleric. Because they have every buff going on themselves. Str buffs, AF buffs, Regenartion buffs etc, i dont bother explaing how to buff a group as 90% of the time they a) Dont Care b) Dont understand after a detailed explanation or c) Say they understand and dont change the buffs . Imo a cleric should not have AF and Regenartion buff's on their quickbar, such a waste of Conc points. Dish out Con / Dex to everyone, then fill in with Spec and a few base buffs as needed.

 

[old.mattshanes]

People need to create more ice wizzie alts(looks at his own sig yes mine will be 50 before 1.60 ^^),it's the fastest exp by far with 2-3 in group,shame to hear such things gombur maybe organise a group with friends or players you play with their alts?

 

[maxgirth]

Recipe of disaster

As the game roles on levelling is made easier,peeps are getting to 50 in a matter of days,a fair amount of pl`ing, FotM chars which leave a big void of other much needed chars,which in turn = unbalanced groups.

In the nutshell, the game has now swung very much in the favour of the perfect individual,rather than a good variety of assorted chars all having that something special,albeit skillful in thier job,or having the right tools etc to make a perfect xping group.

Life begins at 50 now in this game,and how quick you can get there,rather than learning all there is to know about your char,and enjoying the daily grind of xping,with friends or complete strangers,having fun, but at the same time playing with peeps who played thier chars exceptionally well.

Bring back the good old days when getting to 50 actually meant something,and that something was, having learnt to play your character properly by spending the right amount of hours played, needed to accomplish it

 

[Danya]

AF buffs are actually pretty good if you have reasonable enhance. However stats are still better and generally if you have a paladin you'll be using their chant anyway.

 

[lacroix]

just recently lvlled my champ on Exc up, now lvlling some alts in Alb here again; and in comparison, I can say, that grouping at very low levels (<20) has been a major pain in either realm - most ppl at that lvl have no clue about their class/group abilities - I have generally taken to either kt or only grouping with friends / guildies at that lvl.

However, things definitely improved after 20 in Hib because lots of "real" newbies then tended to spend most of their time in BG1, so it was more likely to actually get experienced players (from all realms, amazing how many albs and mids I met in hib ) in groups. ... - this all till about 45+, though, when the "fins" effect sets in

Pbaoe groups being the standard for balanced groups in Hib still means deffo fast xping there, so that you quickly enough get to know ppl who can do their job. And yes, I noticed that pl-ing seems to be significantly more important/en vogue in Alb than in Hib (there was pl going on there, but NOT to the extend I have been seeing here, or so it seems to me anyway - guess the necro craze plays a role in that ) ...

Sounds like the situation in Alb is worse, really (as my 3 alts are currently range 10-20, I can't compare "higher" lvl groups yet ), so I guess I will also focus on grouping with friends/guildies/alliance members instead of totally random groups (just that I HATE turning ppl asking for groups down - just being too soft /cry )

 

[-Nxs-]

Originally posted by Danyan
BTW if the mob is so high charm won't ever stick, you need to find easier mobs to kill.

Duelists and taskers in avalon resist Charm all the time at L48 but we still kill them

Charm is so underrated for pulling agro off healers, it will easily out agro a cleric using both instas.

 

[hiban]

Yikes, i started alb/pryd yday ^^!

Well this guy played long enough to know that paladins with cloth and 2 handed rox! /flex
I heard stories about wardens on Prydwen not using pbt, cuz it drained power. and manachanters using dds, cuz they were afraid of getting aggro with pbae etc etc.

Will be great to meet new idiots and n00bs. Always gives a good laugh. I know ppl will most likely laugh at me for not knowing much about albion

Any nice _none_ roleplaying guild looking for an active member?


take care

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by Garian
Imo a cleric should not have AF and Regenartion buff's on their quickbar, such a waste of Conc points. Dish out Con / Dex to everyone, then fill in with Spec and a few base buffs as needed.

disagree there, my cleric always has baseAF, specAF, base dex and spec dex/qui.

but regeneration is a waste of conc (specially with a pally in the group) I normally do tanks for dex/qui and str/con and base AF

then casters gets acu and base dex, after that the rest of the groups get random buffs (I close my eyes and push some numbers )

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Addlcove
(I close my eyes and push some numbers )

Hey! That's exactly how I played Jupi!!

 

[old.Jessica]

lol!


Ahh, came across a Paladin in Keltoi some time ago that decided that leather (i kid you not) armour was better than plate because, and I quote "it gives me more stats!"


..... truely sad.


Just out of interest buff priority is:

SELF (cleric): base dex, spec dex
CC (sorc): base dex, spec dex
Wiz (nuker): base dex, spec dex, int
Primary tank (pally): str/con, con, dex, spec dex
Shield tank: base dex, spec dex
Friar tank: spec dex, str/con
Scouts: spec dex, base dex
Infs: spec dex, base dex
PBT Thurg: int (just for that bit of extra power...)

If I have any spare conc, and no paladins, af buffs to primary tank.

This gives maximum effectivness for the group.

Dex is far far more important for any tank that is going to get hit than con is. Dex = higher block, parry, evade. Which means they take less damage over time (work it out, yes it does)

Anyone with shield does a better job at guarding those getting hit (i.e. tanks...) and needs more dex.

CC is all about casting speed: hence dex and no int.
Healing is all about speed too, hence only self dex buffs.

Least used buff for me is base str, as it only helps tanks actually hit something and with 8 people in the group, there isn't much need for it. So it's only given if I have 2nd cleric or Friar in the group.

Oh, health regen is a complete waste of time. You can heal people, sit down, wait for mana and heal again for 100x more hp than health regen gives...


As far as healing goes, baseline heals is all you need as a Cleric. Smallest heal prefered, larger one sometimes nessesary. (er, regardless of if you're smite or rej or enh specced...) It is truely scarey how many small base heals you can do before agro even thinks about coming your way. Ask any cleric pair and cabby that -have- killed Mordred with Bob

Oh and it is often very handy to save the single target insta heal for yourself in PvE... because instead of target instaing someone that needs it, more often than not the group heal insta can be used, everything comes onto the cleric and while you wait for CC/tanks the single insta will keep the cleric alive as well Not always, just sometimes. Then again, in PvE your group is not setup properly if you do need to use it. Unless you get something spawn on a sitting, afk caster and you're the first one to spot it.


For those that don't know me well, I've been play Jesi (cleric) for about a year now, and a mend healer on mid/excal for 2 months before that.
Jesi started smite 45, switched to 40 enh, then 40 rej and finally settled on 41rej, 30 enh, 16 smite and is waiting for a respec stone to ditch the 16 smite...

Anyone wants a chat ingame for advice, feel free to pm me.

Someone wrote a fairly simple guide to follow for grouping some months back on our guild website: www.the30.org.uk. (Can be found on right hand side 'Guides' drop down, or via Search)

Enjoy!

Jesi

 

[old.windforce]

Originally posted by case-rigantis

had a cleric yesterday who gave str/con to our scout and gave dex/quick to the tanks /sigh

sorry case but thats smart thinking
tanks need dex/quick for taunts & blocking more then extra hp and strengh voor damage and hp. scouts have low hp and shitty weaponskill on melee. makes sense (not to much but i can understand)

after more then 100 days /played i rather PL or have good group with ppl who know how to play then being annoyed by bad gaming. ppl tend to think you are a wise ass when you try to teach.
besides level 24 in /played 22 hours is a lot better then the level 15 sorc i deleted with /played 4 days 6h at level 15. i like PL

 

[old.windforce]

ps regen & af buffs rock at level 1-10

 

[old.Jessica]

ps regen & af buffs rock at level 1-10

This is true

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by old.Jessica
SELF (cleric): base dex, spec dex

I usually put Str/Con, Con as well, a dead cleric not much use and sometimes you're the only rezzer...

CC (sorc): base dex, spec dex

Int if they are nuking more than CCing, some con maybe if they having hard time CCing (Tanglers w00t )

Wiz (nuker): base dex, spec dex, int

Int, Con. Nukers dont need to cast particularly quickly in PvE IMO unless they are CCing or maybe if they are PBAOEing.

Primary tank (pally): str/con, con, dex, spec dex
Shield tank: base dex, spec dex

Usually do str/con dex/qui on all the tanks, extra dex's on shield dudes if I have spare.

Friar tank: spec dex, str/con

At high levels they usually got their own dex/qui though, and usually buff themselves up the wazoo so dont need str/con. If they've buffed the group well tho I usually have a spare str/con. Oh and Friars, PLEASE DONT STR buff yourself

Scouts: spec dex, base dex
Infs: spec dex, base dex

Aye maybe some str/con if they are meleeing and taking some hits

PBT Thurg: int (just for that bit of extra power...)

Just single Con if anything. Rarely take aggro, but you want that bubble staying up. Dont need dex for instacast Dehaste or buffs, maybe if they are you're CC. Don't think int buffs affect power pool afaik, but if they're nuking then may as well.

Dex is the nicest on tanks it stops them taking damage way more than AF buff does, especially at high levels on the shield/parry monsters. Single STR & AF are used basically only if theres 2 clerics/friars, and Health Regen = LoL

Edit: Oh yeah and this is only PvE

 

[PadreMM]

This is how I usually buff a full grp of mixed chars in PvE (buffs are in prioritised order):

Meself: Str/Con > Dex > Con > Dex/Qui
Tanks (Arms/Pally/Merc): Str > Str/Con > Dex > Dex/Qui or Spec AF
Sorcs: Con > Str/Con > Aquity > Dex
Wizzys/Theurgs/Cabbas: Con > Str/Con > Spec AF > Aquity
Necro: Int "on caster" AND Con > Str/Con OR Dex > Dex/Qui "on Pet"
Infils: Con > Dex > Dex/Qui > Str/Con or Spec AF
Minstrels: Con > Str/Con > Str or Spec AF
Friars : Dex/Qui if mine is better
Scouts: Dex > Dex/qui > Str/Con OR Str/Con > Con > Str (Depends on if they use bow or s&s)

This is how I think:
Me: Need to last if I get aggro, seconly be able to get heals off quick enough in crisis.

Tanks: easy, they need to make most damage to hold aggro and secondly last why Str > Con.

Sorcs: Need as many HP as possible as AE mezz can bring a lot of mobs at ones on them. Secondly INT as I'm not sure how much it affects Mezz to stick and Debuffs. Mayby a Dex/Qui on their Pet if they have one to peel off aggro ASAP.

Wizzys/Cabas/Theurgs: Deal enough dmg as they are, get aggro too often and don't last long if it happens. Give Int & Dex last off all.

Necro: The pain of all for a healer. Only Int and Ressist transfers from Necro to Pet. Dex on caster pets and Con or Str on melee pets. Ask Necro first.

Infils: Fast dmg dealers that should have as little aggro as possible. So don't give them Str as they will get overpowered for grp. Con to make them last if aggroed and Dex/Qui to help their inborn defenses of evade.

Minstrel: Usually CC so give Con to make them last if Stun/Mezz resists. Secondly Str if they assist in melee. Usually the Minstrel gets the least of my buffs for this reason.

Friar: Sometimes my Dex/Qui buff is better than the friars so I give them one if they need. If there are better tanks don't give them as they grab enough aggro anyway with their own Dex/Qui buff.

Scout: I usualy give them Dex if they use bow a lot. If they protect and melee I give them str/con and con.

If anyone have found better way of placing buffs pls let me know

Cheers,
Padre

<edit> Just read Jesi's post and i probably need to have a rethink on how I buff </edit>

 

[granny]

Best way to buff is to give people what they ask for I find. Although if you say "who wants what buffs?" most of the time you get a kind of surprised silence... makes buffing all the easier

 

[granny]

Oh and btw, for reavers buff dex/qui, dex, con, str/con in that order

 

[old.Jessica]

Aye Meatballs, all valid and fair comments.

I would stress that different situations require different things.

con for CC is a maybe, judge it as you need to tho it is my prefered way of buffing.

tho, with any decent group of players in PvE, I'm not gonna get hit, and neither is the CCer enough to kill us before someone can drag agro from us. so, no, no con is needed really. Only for the 'offchance' that they might get hit.. and they have blade turn, quickcast mez/root... come on, if you use the tools you have, the con is simply a wasted buff.
Self buffing only dex is all I ever ever need in PvE unless I'm tanking (yes, it happens... Proper agro management from all your group members and you're laughing all the way to L50 or piles of loot.

int on pbt thurg was a half joke... they do get left out of the buffing process and we do so like to keep the small numbers of them happy....

again for nukers, it different horses for different courses... if they over nuke they'll whine about getting con buffs... but for the quickfinish of a mob, if things get desperate, the tank getting slapped will thank the dex buff you give the wiz that just nuked it to death by chaining via enhanced dex than with dying cos the wiz got con.

So long as you're not giving hpregen to everyone and base str to casters you're doing ok...


On a side note, pbaoe groups...
con/spec con/dex/spec dex/int to pbaoers,
dex/quickness to every melee type.
dex/spec dex to cleric
small heals a must here and if that pbers bar moved slap the target it the pber and make sure it doesn't die at all costs

All good fun. Do like a good Cleric discussion every now and then

Jesi

 

[old.Jessica]

Tanks: easy, they need to make most damage to hold aggro and secondly last why Str > Con.

Padre... have to disagree here.

Assuming you have 2 tank classes, you should see 2 very clear roles appear.

1 tank - holds agro
other tank - deals damage

Therefore :

For agro holder: con > str
For damage dealer: str > con

If damage dealer is shielder (i.e. both shield users): dex > str > con
GIves everyone else in group -longer- to kill things.

For agro holder, not taking damage is his priority, not the amount of damage he can take, nor the amount of damage he deals. Therefore dex > con > str

At the end of the day, you still have to wait for mobs to spawn, so speed of kills isn't important.

(spent too long sitting down waiting for tanglers to spawn...)

 

[old.Jessica]

Nerf Double posts.

 

[darzil]

Last night I trained a Level 43 and Level 46 Paladin how to twist chants.

I started trying to do it over group chat. Didn't work, they didn't even respond.

So I tried sends, and that worked great. They picked it up quickly.

A few minutes later we kicked the asses of six essence shredders, when a few minutes earlier we'd struggled against three.

I recommend you try teaching people over send before you give up totally. They were quite happy to learn one on one.

Darzil Siegecrafter
42nd Season Paladin
Order of the Knights Templar

 

[PadreMM]

True as well Jessi, I might try swapping the Str and Con for Dex in the future. I've always based my buffs in a way to balance the group as much as possible and get the aggro where I want it as the healer.

i.e I want to see the tanks health go down steadily, cause it doesn't worry me. And I don't want to see a caster getting two hit killed before I get a chance to throw in at least one heal.

But if a Infil for example says, "pls, swap con for str. I want to pwn!!!11!" I say "sure!", but he'll likely die once or twice more.... and the same goes for wizzies... and i won't give a rats ass if they whine cause of dieing later on. <well, I'll still feel bad, but i won't take shit>

Now, I've never done a PBAOE party so can't speak for that. And on bigger hunts (epics etc.) I usually give what the grp members want, as they probably know their roles well enough to know what they need then. And I won't worry about deaths then either cause there's another target than just XP.

 

[thegreatest]

Some lowbie slashers do also use the Enrage style all the time (for the ones who don't know its a style to get aggro on you). The problem is that you can't get the aggro back on you if they use that style all the time, and they will die pretty fast

[edit]
engage=enrage soz

 

[old.Vae]

And there I was thinking the slash taunt style was enrage and the shield skill for uber blocking was called engage....

 

[thegreatest]

Originally posted by old.Vae
And there I was thinking the slash taunt style was enrage and the shield skill for uber blocking was called engage....

You're right m8 but u get the point

 

[Yussef]

Originally posted by old.Jessica


As far as healing goes, baseline heals is all you need as a Cleric. Smallest heal prefered, larger one sometimes nessesary. (er, regardless of if you're smite or rej or enh specced...) It is truely scarey how many small base heals you can do before agro even thinks about coming your way. Ask any cleric pair and cabby that -have- killed Mordred with Bob

Jesi

Old school challenges are minor now Try non zerg GS for PvE at its peak

 

[civy]

<hangs his head in shame>
I must be the laziest buffer there is.

Everyone gets str/con dex/qui
casters get int.
mercs get shields.

 

[newb_wannabe]

.

hey give me a break, puberty is beckoning.

 

[Addlcove]

Re: .

Originally posted by newb_wannabe
Maybe u idiots shouldn't get angry and whine about it. If you are grouped with some newb morons tell them what the fuck to do.

Just say you have a level 50 and they think u am teh biznitch any how.

*sigh*


over

yeah right until the moment they realize there are level 50 arseholes too that doesn´t know jack shit about the game.

comming here calling people idiots sure will improve there opinion about you (or NOT).

but I guess you´re just another of the

"hey I have a level 50 I know everything there is to know about this game now so stfu n00bz0rs"

person, well in the "words" of the MMORPG generation

KKTHXBYE

 

[PadreMM]

Aye, take the whines for what they are... just silly... and I still whine at times.... inside I usually cry

Now, this thread is more for THE LVL50's with toons that are PL'ed and then start grouping after 30-something. Either they would know a bit at least.. for example read up. But it's not that... it's the cases where they have stated they have a lvl50 main and after that CAN'T take a piece of advice.

Pointing out that people act like idiots is one thing, calling someone an idiot, is another....