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[throdgrain]

So dont worry about training terrorists either then?

"Peace in our time" eh? Nar dont think so.

Also even if they were encouraging more opium growing that would be a short term thing. Once the country in under control they can start to diversify out of ruining peoples lives.

 

[DaGaffer]

So dont worry about training terrorists either then?

"Peace in our time" eh? Nar dont think so.

Also even if they were encouraging more opium growing that would be a short term thing. Once the country in under control they can start to diversify out of ruining peoples lives.

The idea that occupying Afghanistan stops terrorist training is laughable. The Taliban were connected with the 911 bombers, but subsequent attacks show the futility of the argument. If you want to point the finger at the country where most terrorist training goes on, look over the border to Pakistan. And of course the money comes from the Gulf and Saudi in particular; but we're not going to occupy those countries are we?

When we attacked Afghanistan in 2001 it was the right thing to do; a punitive expedition to kick to some arse; make no mistake, it was revenge, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But the idea that we can go about nation-building in Afghanistan is just as flawed as it is in Iraq, even more so because the British have tried and failed to do it in the past, along with just about everybody else going back to Alexander The Great. The Pashtun tribesman (who make up the Taliban) just melt into the hills and come back when the latest invader gives up, which they always do. Unless we intend to commit genocide, we'll withdraw from Afghanistan at some point, and the whole thing will just start up again, with the Pashtun chalking up another foreign invader they've driven out.

Bottom line is that we're not ruthless enough to "win" in Afghanistan, us being there is not going to stop terrorism, and we're not going to stay there forever, so what's the point in our continued presence?

 

[throdgrain]

I'd agree the whole war in Iraq has been a disasterous waste of time that should never have been attempted in the first place, and didnt even have any justification either.

I do not agree that Afghanistan is the same thing, there are objectives, and hopefully we may achieve them, though I do doubt we are ruthless enough if Im honest.

Hope we do anyway.

 

[Scouse]

So dont worry about training terrorists either then?

Who do you think trained the "Taleban" eh?

We did - but to be fair Throddy, you must have heard that widely-acknowledged fact a hundred times in arguments like this one and decided to ignore it...

 

[throdgrain]

Oh god its irrelevant ,thats why ! Rapidly this turns into classic internet-forum-thread. You can carry on replying until you die, you're still wrong!

 

[Scouse]

You're still wrong!

I may be incorrect on some fronts, but I'm not wrong m8.


Perhaps one of the ways to slow terrorist recruitment would be to stop Israel's wholesale slaughter of the Palestinians?

What I particularly like about Israel at the moment was that they told the Palestinians that they'd show them what a holocaust looked like...


But yep. If you want to believe I'm wrong and discount facts out of hand (because you don't like them), go ahead m8. I won't be replying forever

 

[throdgrain]

Thank god for that.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Nuke the middle east, send all our caravaners and gyspies to take up the land after. Problem solved. Everyone wins.

 

[Milkshake]

There's no way in the world he'd have been allowed to go from house to house doing the real dirty work.

Not stirring, you are 100% correct sir. However, going from 'house to house' is done by line infantrymen (or various arms like the gunners these days) and not officers.

In an OBUA (Operations in Built Up Areas) environment, the lieutenant who is in charge of the platoon will be more involved with making sure there is the correct covering fire, the correct troops are going into the right buildings at the right times, and keeping track of how his troops are doing so as to know when they have reached their overstretch point and will need more support from the company.

Prince or not, the only way he'd be breaching rooms is if he weren't an officer.