Teh paladin chants

[Bellona]

48 chants vs. 42 chants

i would like to go for 48 chants, but could all you palas outthere please give me hints/pros/cons on this?

 

[dimerian]

most seems to take 46 or 48,48 myself for last af-chant,but might be changing for 46 for a bit more slash -.-

 

[Tualatin]

48 chants is better for 'solo', 46 chants better for group imo.

Last AF only used 'in rest' times, during combat nonstop end chant ;P With friar orso, you'd have to becarefull not using it.. it doesn't overwrite cleric spec AF buff, nor will they 'add'.. and the yellow/orange one is not quite as good.. but it'll safe you some spec pts.

 

[Naewae]

I have 48 chants and I twist endlessly either solo or in a group. If u twist (in this order) armour, dmg, heal, end then you still give everyone continuous end chant.

I don't know the actual working difference between the last armour chant and the previous one, but twisting it (and therefore using it) gives you a phenomenal AF rise. My AF goes from about 780 (chant off) to 950 (chant on/twisted.)

200 armour rise is something like 20% reduction in damage.

 

[vypericor]

Point is when fully buffed by BB u cant use the af chant effectively, and usually peeps in group have both af buffs!
I respecced to 44slash 42 chants 42 shiels and 22 parry... with mob and mop this surely makes up for the less AF!
The amount i parry and block, especially parry is incredible both PvE and PvP.
Only thing i miss is the last heal chant... Only thing u REALLY need in rvr and peeps crave is... guess what.. .END CHANT.

 

[Waok]

48 ;D

 

[September]

I'm 48 chants atm, not sure if it's worth it. Palas are a grping char, and most of the time there's a friar in grp or a cler and my af chant becomes rather useless, there are occasions when it's useful tho.

I know I will go to 46 chants if I have the chance, I could use those pts to raise something else slash/parry comes to mind

 

[old.twigbob]

im 46 chants, and have never used af in my twist, and have always managed fine without it, solo or in group.
my order of twisting is heal, damage, end.

 

[Stormm]

44 slash, 42 sheild, 46 chants

 

[lac_desariel]

My pally will be 48 chants 34 crush 42 shield rest parry...

Pallys get given chants for a reason imo...

 

[K0nah]

42 for rvr

48 for seal farming

 

[Bellona]

so rather 42 chants and higher slash, than 46/48 and lower slash/parry ?


and with auto'ing slash/chants to lvl 48, and getting 154 free points, this would be possible

10 parry
42 shield
50 slash
42 chants

but is parry too low for rvr ?

 

[vypericor]

Parry is too low...either go 50 shield or not 50 at all... palas r still defensive, u need to make up for the loss of AF by either parry or blocking...

 

[Ckiller ofDust]

Originally posted by Bellona
so rather 42 chants and higher slash, than 46/48 and lower slash/parry ?


and with auto'ing slash/chants to lvl 48, and getting 154 free points, this would be possible

10 parry
42 shield
50 slash
42 chants

but is parry too low for rvr ?

stop at 44 slash.... and get higher parry..

Im 42 chants and have been so from the begining. Nuttin better for RVR imo

 

[Bellona]

ok, thx alot all

end spec will be

25 parry
42 shields
44 slash
42 chants

 

[soylent green]

Chants 48, slash 50, shield 23 , parry 22. My solo rvr spec, maybe.

 

[September]

Meh no slam?


Me wubs slam :kiss2:

I'm gonna be 46 chants 39 slash 42 shield and rest parry :/

 

[Knix]

29slash
50shield
48chants
rest parry

I like it, tho i dont know if 42 or 46 chants are "better".
I just heard 48 for best grouping chant, and ive not seen many friars complain about it when you twist the chants all the time during battle.
It also let me have 969af with selfbuffs and 99q gear.
I heard all af above 800 wont be so effective but dunno, i belive to help so whatever

 

[parlain]

parry good for soloing only tbh; anything foolish enough to be hitting you from head on deserves a kicking

42 chants is enough for RvR but hampers your pve and duelling/soloing ability

Full group spec would be the 50slash 42 shield 42 chants spec to squeeze the extra /assist damage out.

Full Solo spec would be 39 slash 42shield 48 chants rest parry

I took 44 slash 42shield 46 chants 9parry for a happy medium

Although without access to EB's these days there is something to be said for taking chants to 46 and twisting in to enhance the groups efficency.

I don't twist AF as we either have spec af's or the friars complain

 

[hotrat]

Last end regen is the absolute minimum.

The af chant is really nice, gives my sorc over 600 af, but doesn't stack with cleric spec af? or if your support is out of range they lose the effect so prolly best not to use it and stick with spec af buffs.

But like parlain says nothing wrong with twisting some dmg chant if you haven't got EB in your group.

Also vs hibs with druid pets and chanter pets, if they GP twist a bit of heal chant to remove aggro from sorc/clerics, and don't forget to protect them ! note this only works when you get aggro cus the pet is on defense mode, if the pet controller has actually hit pet ATTACK better hope the sorc can root it.

 

[Carean Black]

29 slash, 30 parry, 42 shield and 48 chants 4tehwin

might try 16 parry and 50 shield to

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by parlain
Full Solo spec would be 39 slash 42shield 48 chants rest parry

I disagree, full solo spec would be 29slash 48chants 42shield 30parry

 

[Ekydus]

Most defensive spec is 29 slash/ 50 shield/ 48 chants.

However I found this spec:
39 Slash
42 Shield
48 Chants
15 Parry

...and I never looked back. Very good all roud spec.
The last AF may not stack or stop the AF buff being cast, but the majority of the time it s damn useful to have. The value of it is significally higher then the previous one. Well, that's my opinion.

 

[September]

Originally posted by Ekydus
Most defensive spec is 29 slash/ 50 shield/ 48 chants.

However I found this spec:
39 Slash
42 Shield
48 Chants
15 Parry

...and I never looked back. Very good all roud spec.
The last AF may not stack or stop the AF buff being cast, but the majority of the time it s damn useful to have. The value of it is significally higher then the previous one. Well, that's my opinion.

That's my current Spec....but against 2 weapon users we get a severe penalty and only parry can counter it.

And I duo a lot with a friar or I grp with someone with a BB and I almost never use AF chant really :/ Cept when I PvE situations. If I get the chance I seriously consider dropping chants to 46 to squeeze out some extra parry, I think it'll matter enough. With MoP and MoB that spec might really rock

 

[wolfofslaughter]

Planing to spec ...

44 slash
42 shield
48 chants
rest parry

Parry is useless in most rvr situations because you will be in a group and so will the enemy more then likely and they ant going to line up in front of you and take you on one by one are they

As everyone knows pally are endurance bot and slam bot with some melee damage thrown in .. or used to guard casters... and supposely your shields weapon skill is yer main hands weapon skill... could be wrong but allot seem to have that opinion lately, so speccing high with slash should help yer do more damage n hit slam more....

my arms use to have 39 parry before i respecced too 17 parry didnt noticed any much or any difference in rvr or pve when facing apponents cuz most of time they hit yer in the rare at least in rvr they do ;P

yer want 46 chants at least 42 shield a must and 44 slash is always good nevermind parry unless yer solo in pve allot ....

 

[sigh]

who needs parry tbh, if enemy tanks start hitting a high rr pala, they are on a road to no where, ip/fh + chants and walking backwards with shield facing + all the other shit that is available i.e bof, sob, mincer abs. so they dont hit the pala as we hit the shaman or the bard, one thing we can rely on is having end tilll the end. so parry is teh sook for pala's imho. maybe higher slash if you wanna go 42 chants

 

[Nebel]

Originally posted by Knix
29slash
50shield
48chants
rest parry

....and ive not seen many friars complain about it when you twist the chants all the time during battle

I gave up to complain ARGHGGGHHH

Anyways... he´s the first Pally that pwned my Friar... okay.. I´m a gimp but still.... just couldnt get past that damn shield!

 

[asillan-zipi-2]

Originally posted by old.twigbob
im 46 chants, and have never used af in my twist, and have always managed fine without it, solo or in group.
my order of twisting is heal, damage, end.

gimp

af chant helps always , also less dmg and more chances to block/parry/get missed.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

I found this.... I hope i telp u
http://camelotvault.ign.com/thegame/guides/april03/minstrel.shtml

it is a bit down the page...

Q: What happens when I respec my instrument line? How is this affected by Auto-Training?

A: When you respec a skill that autotrains, it will drop to the minimum 'allowed' level (your level divided by four, rounded up). In the case of a level 50 Minstrel respec’ing the Instrument line, this is 13 Instrument spec.

If you did not autotrain, you will be charged for those minimum 13 levels of training -- and receive the balance of the points as a refund for respec'ing and zeroing out the line. If you did autotrain, you will have the line reduced to the minimum levelss, and will be refunded the balance of the points plus the points for the bottom 13 levels.

Stated simply: You don't lose autotrained points when you respec.

 

[old.Ramas]

Stated simply: You don't lose autotrained points when you respec.

But you do lose ordinarily trained points if you put them into an autotrain line below spec 13 and then try to spec out of it at lvl 50.

Autotrain and minimum spec levels need to be scrapped, hopefully Mythic will one day realise this.

rounded up

Rounded down actually, afaik.