Team Play on Public Servers

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TipTop

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Picture the scene...

A mountain side nuclear research facility torn apart by mad terrorist bombers trying to detonate C4 at random whilst being held off by numerous 'good guys'.

Playing CS (Ive only been playing CS a month since I got ADSL) last night, my fellow terrorists and I were engaged in a deathmatch of huge proportions. One on one fights breaking out and scores about even. Not much different from a normal public server CS night, and then...

A new guy joins us (I think his name was Hinari or something like it). Follow me he calls out. As a bunch of uncoordinated players we followed - "heh lets try it his way as its getting a bit Quake". Cover. Plant Bomb. Hold Position. Move Out it's going to blow!. We obeyed shouted our positions, coordinated with our new leader. It was fun. We kicked serious arse. Scores 15 wins straight (until I planted the C4 right next to a CT and he shot me and defused it immediately...DUH).

The point is I played for 4 hours straight. I played CS as its supposed to be played and loved every minute. When Hinari left we carried on playing as a team. So as a rallying call to all Clans and those with the skills and experience, take the lead. Sure some arseholes will do what they want but it is us relatively inexperienced players (not so much newbies - as they need to learn what does what and where the hell do I go?) appreciate the effort and feel better qualified to play in a clan. After all you were there once. Thoughts?
 
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Ch3tan

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Hey I try to do what Hinari did in your game, most of the time it just gets me abuse. People dont like people trying to tell them what to do, even when they are hopelessly failing.
Oh well sometimes it works and its fun, other times my tactics suck and we all die and someone else tries to lead the team. Anyway when people grow up and realise that CS is team orintated mayabe they will try helping each other.

Take my advice though if you want to experience CS the way it was intended join a clan and play in some clan wars. Its totally diferent to playing on publics, having pre decided tactics and playing for the pride of your clan and that all important win really does give u a buzz you just dont get un publics.

[Edited by Ch3tan on 28-02-01 at 13:34]
 
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TipTop

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I feel Im in a no man's land in terms of joining a clan. Ive got some good skillz, but no tactical awareness except in my own head. Most clans seem to want good skillz and instant team members. Catch 22. Im sure Im not the only one. More nights like last night and voila Im ready. After all I dont want to join up with preschool infants whose idea of a clan is to shout F**K U, U R A CHEATING **** (insert favoured 10 year old swear word of the day) at least 12 times before the games started!
 
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cenobite

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On a normal public server you do not need any help to win a round I find. Blam Blam with an AK47 and they all drop. It is is easy do dominate on 18 player servers if you have just 1 or 2 people that have skill in one team.
 
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TipTop

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Hardly the point though! Maybe fun for a while but how are the clans going to grow talent. Surely its best imparting some of the knowledge. Im at the stage where Im about 1 to 2 kills before I get the delights of 'Chase Cam'. If you ask and they said 'NO U ***' then sod them but then again why not take someone with you on your two man killing spree?
 
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old.MeanMrMustard

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Too many clans out their just don't have a sense of humour. I am in a Tribes clan and i used to be in a CS clan. When i play in my Tribes clan and i play badly on the odd occasion, we go back to IRC and we have a bit of a laugh (people jokeing around) A few weeks ago we were in an important match and it was 1 all (CTF) we were playing and our flag capper touched the flag, he then ran out of the base and made a HUGE mistake. Playing raindance, he did a disk jump which would have been fesible if the SAM had been take out but sure enought it took him out. The only escort he had was a heavy and so he tried to keep te flag untill a capper could take it off him but he was killed and the other team saved the flag then capped and we lost. Back in IRC we were all pissing ourselves. Friendly abuse is the right way to put it.

I used to be in a CS clan in on of our matches it was a 1 T vs 1 CT situation. We were T's and one of the best players in the clan was running around looking for the dropped bomb. He couldn't find it and was kicked out.

I used to be in a DR2 (RTS) till i got flamed because my base got destroyed. I told him where to stick his clan and went back to playing "normally".

I thought games were a form of entertainment? Clans put too much pressure on you. however, i do approve of clans, when i was in a CS clan i enjoyed the tactics. Now i am looking for a new clan but i will only join clans that allow for certain errors.

Custard out

[Edited by MeanMrMustard on 28-02-01 at 16:58]
 
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cenobite

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Usually because I shoot them before the other person would get a chance :eek:

Anyway, the best way to learn is to either join a lowly placed division clan or cheat. But seriously, chasecam can actually be very useful. Watch the top placed players and see how they move, how they check every corner and how they anticipate what is happenning on a level. With Battlecom in use now in clans games tactics are more about someone telling everyone what to do, opposed to original games where you had to just instinctively know what your teammates were doing, which would take ages.

Best suggestion I would have is played on the Barrysworld servers since they generally, for me, have a higher level of skill compared to other servers i have tried. From there try to join a clan who is at your level. That way you can learn as a team and pick tactics up from other teams you play.

Also, people need to realise this is CS and not play it like another FPS. The game is not about rush blam blam die. It is about sitting back and trying to exploit weaknesses in defense and being careful as you move round map. Unless you have wall hacks then you know where everyone is and can run about the map at will :eek: People need to adapt to the slower pace of the game which is what could be causing some problems for some people. They have the aim but not the brains. In CS brain is more important imo, especially in team games.
 
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TipTop

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Like your thinking. Speaking from the position of the man outside the CS clan structure there are key problems. Most of the clans recruiting think their going to be top of league (some hope) and aren't that interested in taking someone on unless they single handed kill the opposition with a peashooter (CS v.1.1 - Im sure it'll be there!). It seems no ones willing to invest time in the team side if that talent isnt there already. This is not to say that if a player is too new or just plain bad the clans should look at them, but rather look at the skills, the team play can be taught (why else would they be joining a clan?)
 
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old.theV0iCe

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WTF? i find that as a clan we work well as a team. I never see team work on public servers, but as a clan its always teamwork. I dunno about BW [im a newbie to BW] but WP clans r always working together.
 
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old.theV0iCe

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oh, BTW go in channel #hk-cs hosted on irc.barrysworld.com if ne1 wants to trial [no llamas or glory seekers, etc].
 
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old.MeanMrMustard

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BW publics can have their odd glimps of team work but i find it isn't anywhere near as well thought out as clan tactics (well you only have about 1 min to make up the tactic and tell everyone their role)

Also i don't think team tactics have to be the entire team working together. I used to play CS with 2 other peeps i knew well off the internet. We went around together on the publics, i usually weilded a SMG or rifle, there was another person who did the same, and we covered the other person who was a sniper. When we went on to a server together (say our team was loosing 5-0) we could usually pull up the score and win. If the rest of the team decides to be single handed mavericks, let them and they will usually die and sit there watching you and your friend(s) as you fight your way to the bomb site, plant the bomb and win the round against all the odd's. Most cases 10 mins after we had joined all the rest of our team had seen us and usually most of them stuck with us next round.

If you don't want to join a clan just get to know someone else who plays aswell, it is so much fun when you are playing properly. You don't even have to be ace, I don't class myself as a good CS player, infact when i play on my own i usually play crap, a few tactics can go a hell of a long way
 
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old.Kurt_Angle

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Q2 ctf, perfect example of pure team play, the whole screen is constantly streaming team messages, everybody listens, and everybody understands. Name me another current online public team playing game where this takes place, imho there isn't one, only tribes comes close. TFC could be a shout, but you allways have one the side thats not in the game:( and in CS there's very little, or should i say non anymore, due to it's dm like nature. Q2 ctf all the way imo, there's very few, if any glory hunters, and nearly allways 2 teams totally commited to team play:)
 
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old.Morpheus

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It's all about how YOU play the game. I like nothing more than diving onto a public server and, if required, giving a little direction if required. More often than not, there are like minded people who will join in with me, and we'll turn the game around. I'm also very receptive to direction from other people.

I guess the important thing is to be adaptable. Either way, the sense of reward you get when things go right for your team, rather than you, make the game worth playing.
 
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old.Carl1ng

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Lo all

One good team player is worth two good dm players.

Public servers are for ppl to play on how they want, don't rag ppl out for not wanting to play the game how you want.

I agree with Cenobite, take your time but these days stand still for more than 10 secs and your called a camper. lol

Above all play the game how you feal you should and enjoy it.
:)
 

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