Sword & Shield Armsman Ques

[Nalikin]

making a s/s armsman atm , currently lvl 28 but wondering on how high to take shield . Minimum i was going to spec was 42 shield , but unsure whether its worth going for the lvl 50 shield style as well .
Any advice would be helpful ( pref with reasons )

 

[old.mattshanes]

39 thrust 44 pole 42 shield rest parry(25/26 i think).

Slam change to pole then back to s/s pretty easy and effective in rvr.

 

[Lochlyessa]

50 shield, 39 slash, rest parry, no gimp pole :l

Perfecr shield tank, with blocking fixed soon (hopefully), the 50 shield will mean you block LOTS, 39 slash with +11 from items and rr is all you need, amethyst slash is prolly the best anytime style to use no pole, cos it leaves you too defencless imo :/

 

[Yussef]

The polearm speccing is to destroy your enemies within the 9s stun, if they purge you can just stay S/S

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
50 shield, 39 slash, rest parry, no gimp pole :l

Perfecr shield tank, with blocking fixed soon (hopefully), the 50 shield will mean you block LOTS, 39 slash with +11 from items and rr is all you need, amethyst slash is prolly the best anytime style to use no pole, cos it leaves you too defencless imo :/

Be a spec like that and a sb will slaughter you,slam and pole arm him or her and thats it end of story,then back to s/s.We all know how many sbs there are too.....

 

[krait]

If you're going S/S then i'd recommend going 44 slash ,50 shield ,37 parry.
Slash is high enough to give decent damage (for 1-handed anyway) ,50 shield gives you brutalize ,37 parry gives you some defense against dual-wielders (if in 1v1 :/ )
In normal zergy RvR you can stay alive a little bit longer and have slam to annoy casters with or stop people running away.

It's also a great template for PvE if you want to farm diamonds in DF.

 

[Ozwaldo]

Dont be a softy, who needs a shield

 

[krait]

Originally posted by Ozwaldo
Dont be a softy, who needs a shield

Gimp Poleys...

 

[old.windforce]

pole rocks

saracen --> might go S+S all the way

50 slash, 42 shield rest parry sounds best for me since slash has teh best styles (amathyst, backslash, diamond)


briton / highlander --> do what ever

39 slash, 42 shield , 44 pole 24 parry 3 x bow is my spec. Would bestrange to say to do anything else since i am very happy with it

Hybrid is the most fun way to play in mho
not really gimped. I am doind nicely on the battlefield

 

[hrodelbert]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes


Be a spec like that and a sb will slaughter you,slam and pole arm him or her and thats it end of story,then back to s/s.We all know how many sbs there are too.....

altho i have higher slash there is little difference in my spec to that and no SB's don't even nearly slaughter me.

 

[SilverHood]

Ask gladiator about speccing polo

Hit me for over 500 dmg the other day... nerf!

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by Ozwaldo
Dont be a softy, who needs a shield

the WHINING armsmen on every board who have specced 50pole 50slash etc and have no slam, watching them cry makes me happy.

 

[klavrynd]

Ran into some slampoler once, 'ouch' is all i can say

 

[Arlone]

Originally posted by krait
If you're going S/S then i'd recommend going 44 slash ,50 shield ,37 parry.
Slash is high enough to give decent damage (for 1-handed anyway) ,50 shield gives you brutalize ,37 parry gives you some defense against dual-wielders (if in 1v1 :/ )
In normal zergy RvR you can stay alive a little bit longer and have slam to annoy casters with or stop people running away.

It's also a great template for PvE if you want to farm diamonds in DF.

hey thats exactly like my specc ... and no Mattshanes SB's won't "own" us because of this. They own us cause they kite (disease+snare, run and hide and redo). With SC I will (and anyone else with 50 shield and rr5) have 65 shield and 52 parry. With those defensive skills it will be pretty hard for anyone to take us down quickly. Expect to spend atleast 5 mins to kill a shieldtank

 

[SilverHood]

Expect to spend atleast 5 mins to kill a shieldtank

You can still be nuked to bits

 

[Arlone]

...in melee (of course). Althought with SC most people will cap all (important) resists and with some nice RA's we may even have a chance against nukers.

Either go full pole and hit hard but lack defence, go full shield and block like a madman but do low(ish) damage or go for both and be expert at none

 

[Ozwaldo]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok


the WHINING armsmen on every board who have specced 50pole 50slash etc and have no slam, watching them cry makes me happy.

:bore:

Get me one Pole Parry specced armsman to whine about his spec and I will polish your armour for a month.

This to me is a slam Poleman: Slam, gets pole out, miss, 6 seconds for next hit ,no parry gotta change to shield ,no end to fight cos slam used it all.

Isnt it usually the Paladins whining

 

[Yussef]

Originally posted by Ozwaldo


:bore:

Get me one Pole Parry specced armsman to whine about his spec and I will polish your armour for a month.

This to me is a slam Poleman: Slam, gets pole out, miss, 6 seconds for next hit ,no parry gotta change to shield ,no end to fight cos slam used it all.

Isnt it usually the Paladins whining

Err, not that great a difference between 44 and 50 pole, so you could just miss anyway with 50 pole, you will have parry as well, once OOE a S/S Armsman is going to be better than a Polearmer, try to bypass defenses next patch ^^

 

[Roalith]

Sounds strange to say it, but imo S/S Armsmen are just gimped Paladins (No chants to twist, lower AF). Only multispec or 'pure' polearmsmen are really getting the full use out of their class.

Myself, I'm multispec (42 shield, 44 pole, 39 slash, 24 parry). I absolutely love it - have taken down level 50 'noob' SBs when I was only lvl 47 myself. In 3 hits.

 

[Ozwaldo]

Originally posted by Yussef


Err, not that great a difference between 44 and 50 pole, so you could just miss anyway with 50 pole, you will have parry as well, once OOE a S/S Armsman is going to be better than a Polearmer, try to bypass defenses next patch ^^

I havent bypassed defence

Pole 44 +7 Slash 41 +9 Parry 46 +5

Together with Master of Parry this works very well for me

What I was saying about the miss was when you Slam and swap weapons expecially to polearm which is very slow how many hits are you actually gonna get off (lucky to get 1). Do you then continue to fight with your pole and have no defence because you have nothing in Parry or revert back to SS which means really you have wasted speccing in Polearm

 

[Yussef]

Try to bypass enemy defense next patch, due to swinging so slowly, you'll get bent over if you miss a lot.

Slam stun = intial shield damage, swap to polearm, get 1.x hits off in the rest of the stun

Rage/Revenge stun = 2 hits after being hit, then 9s of hitting. Thats if the Revenge hits as well mind.

Now a Polearm is meant to kill fast, so an initial stun like Slam might be better than waiting about for the Rage/revenge stun. Slam helps you getting hurt.

Now a hybrid polearmer can Slam, style from behind, once 2nd polearm style hits, swap to S/S and start to Engage. Now he can chain engage-riposte the enemy for a bit or drain the enemies endurance

Pure polearmer styles normally, waits to be styled, uses Rage, hopes the enemy doesnt do an unstyled attack in the delay timer between Rage-Revenge. If Revenge connects, style from behind for one attack, with enough QUI; 2 attacks, but I'd say 1. Then you need to pray you don't get blocked/parried/evaded/miss/fumble

When you swap from Shield - Polearm, the previous weapon's delay speed is used, therefore if you use a small shield, you get a fast Polearm hit and another hit within the stun, try that as a pure Polearmer.

When using S/S you have 42 shield and 24 parry, whatever one defensive penalty suffers against the enemy, your other defensive skill is superior to what you're weak against.

Therefore you have a lot more versality in attacking and in defense.

 

[Ozwaldo]

Yusseff You say slam revert to Pole go use the back style. Slam ,takes 2 seconds to get pole, takes another 2 seconds to get in position, hit, wait between 5-6 seconds for next hit. That in my eyes wouldnt work, for starters the good back chain move for Pole is a lvl 50 move so you would have to spec pole to 50. Secondly how much end have you got, Ive heard slam uses 1 hell of alot of end so by the time you you have done all these moves and then engage before finally fighting you surely will have none left. With IP and Purg now in the game you having 51 in Parry is alot better way of speccing for a poleman.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Well arlone hybrid spec would be much better to kill sbs.

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by Ozwaldo
Yusseff You say slam revert to Pole go use the back style. Slam ,takes 2 seconds to get pole, takes another 2 seconds to get in position, hit, wait between 5-6 seconds for next hit. That in my eyes wouldnt work, for starters the good back chain move for Pole is a lvl 50 move so you would have to spec pole to 50. Secondly how much end have you got, Ive heard slam uses 1 hell of alot of end so by the time you you have done all these moves and then engage before finally fighting you surely will have none left. With IP and Purg now in the game you having 51 in Parry is alot better way of speccing for a poleman.

Slam takes up a lot of endurance if you use a large shield, using a small shield you wont hit for much, you'll do just as long a stun, and the time delay before swinging your pole will be greatly reduced along with the endurance cost.

2 seconds to get in position -> well not if you slam from behind

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by Ozwaldo


This to me is a slam Poleman: Slam, gets pole out, miss, 6 seconds for next hit ,no parry gotta change to shield ,no end to fight cos slam used it all.

Isnt it usually the Paladins whining

6seconds? that's without quickness ? anyway.

some specs:

44 pole
39 base-spec
42shield
24parry

44 pole
44 base-spec
42 shield
14 parry

50 polearm
39 Base
42 shield
6 parry
2 crossbow


Still searching for some of the topics I have read about not having slam, muhaha

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by Ozwaldo
Yusseff You say slam revert to Pole go use the back style. Slam ,takes 2 seconds to get pole, takes another 2 seconds to get in position, hit, wait between 5-6 seconds for next hit.

Are you that slow?
how about Quickbar?

 

[Roalith]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok

Are you that slow?
how about Quickbar?

Was about to say the same. I can swap from s/s to pole in about half a second.

 

[hrodelbert]

Originally posted by Roalith
Sounds strange to say it, but imo S/S Armsmen are just gimped Paladins (No chants to twist, lower AF). Only multispec or 'pure' polearmsmen are really getting the full use out of their class.

 

[hrodelbert]

1 Hrodelbert DeMonteCristo 2,122,520 137,367 50 Lords Of England Highlander

2 Torean 1,431,920 70,690 50 Servants of the Lake Briton

3 Bullveye 1,188,425 42,154 50 Lords Of England Highlander

4 Belgorian GodSlayer 1,072,389 49,537 50 Lords Of England Highlander

5 Steveh 1,021,139 80,336 50 Angels of Darkness Highlander

S/S gimped? these people may argue

 

[Ozwaldo]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok



Are you that slow?
how about Quickbar?

Yes Im Australian we take things leisurely

The spec I use works for me, pure pole with max parry
If you think this spec is gimped ask people who have seen me fight 1v1. A good person to ask is Asori who is probably the most recent person to see how this spec can work. Ive owned and Ive been owned just like every single person who plays the game as.
Ive played Ozwaldo for over a year now and would say I know a fair bit about Polearmsmen. This game is a team game and no char is uber, its all about how good your group is and how well you know how to play your character.
I read all the posts, spec templates and future patch notes as some of you do . These same posts told us that Cabbies were the biggest gimps in the game and is probably why when I was lvling Ozwaldo I never saw 1 Cabbie, the same went for polearmsmen there was very few, I remember reading posts on here about how slow their weapons were and a faster 1 handed weapon was the way to go. The dabate Yusseff and myself had Isnt about what spec is better but giving a differant view on how people spec and how they feel about their chars rather than giving someone a spec Template from some American on the VN Boards who says this is the best way. And Forgive if Im wrong but how many people who have given there view about Polearms actually have ever played a polearmsman, Im sure soulfly and Yuseff both use swords