Sword Hunter..

[Zebolt]

Im thinking of getting my hunter active again with a new spec: 50 sword, 40 Bow, 36 Stealth and 20 BC.

Any comments on the spec? Yes, I wann use sword.

I could use some advice on what sword I should use, and what styles. This is my first and only melee so Im kinda noobish on styles/weapon's.

Any help would be apprechated I was thinking about any of these perhaps? No, I don't wanna use an artifact :>
Arcanium Cyclopean Cloud Shaper
Arcanium Desert Venom Great Sword
Arcanium Laodameia's Sword
Arcanium Qebehsenuef's Blade of Dread

 

[GrisomWarshadow]

Im thinking of getting my hunter active again with a new spec: 50 sword, 40 Bow, 36 Stealth and 20 BC.

Any comments on the spec? Yes, I wann use sword.

I could use some advice on what sword I should use, and what styles. This is my first and only melee so Im kinda noobish on styles/weapon's.

Any help would be apprechated I was thinking about any of these perhaps? No, I don't wanna use an artifact :>
Arcanium Cyclopean Cloud Shaper
Arcanium Desert Venom Great Sword
Arcanium Laodameia's Sword
Arcanium Qebehsenuef's Blade of Dread

get yourself a nice juicy 5.7spd dragonfury http://camelot.allakhazam.com/item.html?citem=11556 not 100% sure on sword styles for hunters either zebolt (icestorm+followup and positionals basically) unless you are duo with some1 i cant see you using ragnarok much either personally id go 50sword/45bow/32stealth/16bc i mean you dont need a great deal of stealth as a hunter your always going to get seen by infs/ns regardless of how much you have... anytime style take your pick taunt or assault/baldurs assault damage not so great tho

 

[Zebolt]

Yeah I was thinking of dragonfury aswell (recently sold one) but the stats are kinda suxor, no cap increases, no +weapon speed/dmg etc..

I though 50 stealth was kinda important?

 

[GrisomWarshadow]

Yeah I was thinking of dragonfury aswell (recently sold one) but the stats are kinda suxor, no cap increases, no +weapon speed/dmg etc..

Very true altho what it lacks in 2% melee damage or 2% melee spd it makes up in damage from its very nice 5.7spd

 

[GrisomWarshadow]

I though 50 stealth was kinda important?

for sbs/ns/infs maybe isnt so important for hunters/minstrels/rangers/scouts tho i mean i only have 29+15 on my minstrel and thats fine get seen alot but thats just natural

 

[DaggerElivager]

When i play hunter, i find stealth is pretty important and with camo up you can gnerally survive well if you have high stealth.

whats best is starting with higher stealth and then reducing it as you get higher rr's imo. More stealth will make it easier for you to hunt as you have less chance to be seen, imo

 

[Boomeruk]

zeb

i love my sword hunter, atm he's 39 sword, 45 bow, 32 BC, 35 stl. im a dorf with 25 dex cap bounus (378 buffed dex)

with battler i do very nice damage, only ever use 1 style, drawout lol. working on my ml's atm, when i get FZ, im going 50 sword, 30 bow, 32 bc, 35 stl - fz + ragnerock combo, will be an almost pure melle hunter, unless i go the opposite and go back to 50 bow and use my dex as a sniper ;o

as for swords, is tonns of useable mp toa ones, but id go for a legendary, try get a +98% cold / heat / spirit one, for armor resist variations.

with sword, i do less damage than spear of the same spec, but have a wider variaty of artifacts / weapons to choose from, and dont have ultra gimp defence penalties on all my styles. also, if i get str/con debuffed, it hurts my melle bad (it would only half effect my dmg output if i was spear - being dex/str based)

was spear a while, like the rear stun style, but wasent enough to sway me from getting battler ;D

 

[Zebolt]

I don't think I'll go for legendary due to the sux0r stats on them :>
Think Im gonna go for Qebehsenuef's Blade of Dread cuz' it looks so sexeh

I was thinking something like this for my template. I don't got a left ring yet at all and some item's I think I'll change, but this basically. Would like some more melee dmg and archery stuff tho..

Stats
Str: 77
Con: 79
Dex: 81
Qui: 89
Hits: 196

Resists
Body:25 Energy:24 Crush:25 Cold:25 Matter:6
Thrust:21 Heat:26 Spirit:9 Slash:26

Skills (Sword)
6 Composite Bow
12 Stealth
11 Sword
4 Spear

Skills (Bow)
11 Composite Bow
12 Stealth
8 Sword
4 Spear

Cap Increases
7 Dex
12 Qui
5 Con

Other Bonuses
3 Melee Damage Bonus
20 AF Bonus
10 Melee Speed Bonus
2 Archery Speed Bonus

Piece Listing
Chest
Name: Vest of Casuistry
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 25 Strength
Effect 2: 24 Dexterity
Effect 3: 2 All Melee Skill Bonus
Effect 4: 24 Constitution
Effect 5: 2 Stealth
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 78.67

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 13 Strength - 99 imperfect Fiery Essence
Gem 2: 76 Hits - 99 perfect Blood Essence
Gem 3: 7 Heat Resist - 99 imperfect Heated Shielding
Gem 4: 9 Cold Resist - 99 polished Icy Shielding
Utility: 59.67

Head
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Constitution - 99 uncut Earthen Essence
Gem 2: 11 Slash Resist - 99 faceted Watery Shielding
Gem 3: 11 Thrust Resist - 99 faceted Airy Shielding
Gem 4: 7 Energy Resist - 99 imperfect Light Shielding
Utility: 60.67

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 7 Dexterity - 99 rough Vapor Essence
Gem 2: 13 Heat Resist - 99 precious Heated Shielding
Gem 3: 9 Crush Resist - 99 polished Fiery Shielding
Gem 4: 2 Composite Bow - 99 uncut Airy War Rune
Utility: 58.67

Hands
Name: Maddening Scalars
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 15 Constitution
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5: 3 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 6: 5 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 7: 5 Quickness Cap Increase
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 30.00

Feet
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 16 Quickness - 99 polished Airy Essence
Gem 2: 9 Body Resist - 99 polished Dusty Shielding
Gem 3: 9 Slash Resist - 99 polished Watery Shielding
Gem 4: 4 Sword - 99 flawed Watery War Rune
Utility: 66.67

Two Handed
Name: Qebehsenuef's Blade of Dread
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 24 Strength
Effect 2: 3 Sword
Effect 3: 9 Energy Resist
Effect 4: 9 Spirit Resist
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 67.00

Ranged
Name: Falcon's Talon
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 Composite Bow
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 8 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 2 Archery Speed Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 45.00

Neck
Name: Beaded Resisting Stones
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Body Resist
Effect 2: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 10 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 10 Cold Resist
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mist
Level: 51 Quality: 94
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 5: 5 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name: Preserved Croc eye
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 21 Constitution
Effect 2: 21 Dexterity
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 38.00

Belt
Name: Belt of twillight
Level: 51 Quality: 94
Bonus:
Effect 1: 8 Energy Resist
Effect 2: 27 Quickness
Effect 3: 4 Composite Bow
Effect 4: 2 Archery Speed Bonus
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 54.00

Right Ring
Name:
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: Empty
Effect 2: Empty
Effect 3: Empty
Effect 4: Empty
Effect 5:
Effect 6:
Effect 7:
Effect 8:
Effect 9:
Effect 10:
Utility: 0.00

Left Ring
Name: Ring of the Seven Souls
Level: 51 Quality: 94
Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Constitution
Effect 2: 13 Dexterity
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 5: 4 Stealth
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 60.67

Right Wrist
Name: Ebon Hide Bracer
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 6 Matter Resist
Effect 5: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 60.00

Left Wrist
Name: Blackened Wrap
Level: 51 Quality: 94
Bonus:
Effect 1: 2 All Melee Skill Bonus
Effect 2: 3 Stealth
Effect 3: 16 Dexterity
Effect 4: 16 Quickness
Effect 5: 7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 7 Quickness Cap Increase
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 56.33

 

[GrisomWarshadow]

When i play hunter, i find stealth is pretty important and with camo up you can gnerally survive well if you have high stealth.

whats best is starting with higher stealth and then reducing it as you get higher rr's imo. More stealth will make it easier for you to hunt as you have less chance to be seen, imo

true i used to play my friends hunter from time to time he only has 30+15stealth 45 making it and with camo up i rarely got seen i mean your always going to get seen if you sit on a mg where 10-20 infs or ns know theres gonna be hunters there i tended to hover at distance from a mg rather than standing on it hills are nice aswell. at the end of the day it depends what you want to get really extra damage or extra lil bit stealth hope this has helped a little zebolt

 

[Ormorof]

true i used to play my friends hunter from time to time he only has 30+15stealth 45 making it and with camo up i rarely got seen i mean your always going to get seen if you sit on a mg where 10-20 infs or ns know theres gonna be hunters there i tended to hover at distance from a mg rather than standing on it hills are nice aswell. at the end of the day it depends what you want to get really extra damage or extra lil bit stealth hope this has helped a little zebolt

yeah, afaik Kipu has fairly low stealth and does very well (has very high melee and is quite high RR too so lots of juicy RA's ) but for low rr hunter i doubt you'll do very well against infs 1vs1 melee anyway

 

[Boomeruk]

that sword looks teh nutz, never even seen one before lol.... pimp!

as for the bow, unless you already have one in your backpack from previous ml raids, gl with it, every hunter and his dog wants it ;>

 

[GrisomWarshadow]

yeah, afaik Kipu has fairly low stealth and does very well (has very high melee and is quite high RR too so lots of juicy RA's ) but for low rr hunter i doubt you'll do very well against infs 1vs1 melee anyway

Very true unless the inf has no idea what he/she is doing and does nothing but spam garotte which i've seen quite alot in emain easy rp if you meet those infs

 

[Ormorof]

Very true unless the inf has no idea what he/she is doing and does nothing but spam garotte which i've seen quite alot in emain easy rp if you meet those infs

only time ive ever beaten an infil was when i was fully buffed and well, it wasnt hehe

(we were both rr2 at the time )

 

[Zebolt]

that sword looks teh nutz, never even seen one before lol.... pimp!

It's the coolest I've seen! :>

as for the bow, unless you already have one in your backpack from previous ml raids, gl with it, every hunter and his dog wants it ;>

Im kinda aware of that, but you never know

 

[Zebolt]

Anyone know of a ring with +melee dmg?

 

[Darksword]

true with infils getting stun off evade, you really dont wnat them 2 evade hehe with the high to hit bonus from drawout its a good style 2 use and wouldnt it b better 2 use a fast hitting 2h sword? sure slow is good but fast is cool

 

[GrisomWarshadow]

tbh change frost cut so you rouge classes can use it off evade tbh isnt great but its an opener to a stun - sb's alrdy get stun ofc but still

 

[Jaem-]

When i play hunter, i find stealth is pretty important and with camo up you can gnerally survive well if you have high stealth.

whats best is starting with higher stealth and then reducing it as you get higher rr's imo. More stealth will make it easier for you to hunt as you have less chance to be seen, imo

As an assasin maybe, as an archer, assasins will see you miles away with 35+15 or 30+15 doesn't change that fact, may as well boost your other abilities so you can kill things easier.

Sword is a nice line, high to hit on drawout, Raggy is ok, but abit overrated imo, spear is far supiour, tho doesn't look as cool ;P. If its a case of wanting to beable to use the battler, then you may as well activate as a 1hd and use the lvl10 charge from the unused right hand slot.

Btw Dagger, are you playing again? :O

 

[Qledo]

Anyone know of a ring with +melee dmg?

Nope but get

Name: Kroj str ring
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 21 Strength
Effect 2: 2 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 2 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 2 Energy Resist
Effect 5: 10 AF Cap Increase
Effect 6: 6 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 26.00

 

[Mavericky]

I have 50 modified stealth with my hunter, and only drop it when i increase in RR. Spec at the moment is 50spear, 45bow, 35 stealth and 7bc. Works ok, if I start fight I usually win, if they get PA in then I loose often. RA's are IP, purge, truesight.

Often use stealthlore to get thru camped milegates, so wouldnt drop my stealth lower due to this, and rear stunning Inf's is kinda payback for all the times that I have been PA'd

 

[Mikal]

I'd go 50 sword, 45 bow, 35 stealth and 8 BC
imo you either go high bc for a decent pet, or forsake it pretty much entirely and only get enough for first speed shout and pet

as for stealth it only really matter when camo is up, I can see uncamoed scouts and minstrels 15'is meters away easily with my SB with see hidden, but when they have camo up I have to get pretty close, and easily miss them if I'm not actively searching

and ragnarok is not overrated, true the damage is not all that great if you're not a warrior or zerker, but it's effect is a 40% attack speed debuff, which makes a big difference if you can get it off in a 1vs1 fight

 

[Jaem-]

and ragnarok is not overrated, true the damage is not all that great if you're not a warrior or zerker, but it's effect is a 40% attack speed debuff, which makes a big difference if you can get it off in a 1vs1 fight

Spear has a back positional stun.
Sword has a back positional combat spd debuff.

Both nice enough I guess, I'd personaly choose a str/dex based weapon over pure str any day tho, but thats just my opinion, I guess you don't meet many assasins? ;P

NF Purge2-3, sword maybe nice tho.

 

[Boomeruk]

I'd go 50 sword, 45 bow, 35 stealth and 8 BC

think ive finnally decided on that one now.... with nf and purge 2, FZ, looks like a winner.

thinking hard on it now, i wish i had SC'ed for spear, didnt realise id have 380 buffed dex on my dorf. got battler now tho, so i spose the charge will help lots.... will really miss the speed buff though, has saved my ass and caught me up to fleeing enemies countless times...

might try and work winged helm into my template at some point for catching fleeing enemies.

 

[Joor]

use battler

 

[Ormorof]

Btw Dagger, are you playing again? :O

he is >.<

his runie is 48 i think now

 

[Frust]

Correct me if im wrong but isnt Sword based on STR and Spear STR/DEX?
So i guess a Kobbie should go for Spear and Norse can choose either one depending of taste. Ofc a Kobbie can go Sword too, but isnt DaoC all about getting the most utility possible out of your chars?

 

[Kettil Einherjer]

get yourself a nice juicy 5.7spd dragonfury http://camelot.allakhazam.com/item.html?citem=11556 not 100% sure on sword styles for hunters either zebolt (icestorm+followup and positionals basically) unless you are duo with some1 i cant see you using ragnarok much either personally id go 50sword/45bow/32stealth/16bc i mean you dont need a great deal of stealth as a hunter your always going to get seen by infs/ns regardless of how much you have... anytime style take your pick taunt or assault/baldurs assault damage not so great tho

I strongly agree =)

 

[Mikal]

Spear has a back positional stun.
Sword has a back positional combat spd debuff.

Both nice enough I guess, I'd personaly choose a str/dex based weapon over pure str any day tho, but thats just my opinion, I guess you don't meet many assasins? ;P

good points, the back stun in spear is only 2-3sec or so though, while the debuff of ragnarok lasts quite a while longer (30sec ?) and you're right, as a kobold you'd pretty much have to go spear because of their low strength, norse can chose more freely, but still have to keep the str/con debuff poison of assassins in mind, however, all spear styles also have a defense penalty, sword styles don't

having said that, I only have very limited experience in playing my hunter, he's like RR2 or so and not even sword spec, most of what I know about them is from watching them and rvr and the occasional duo with one

 

[Jaem-]

good points, the back stun in spear is only 2-3sec or so though, while the debuff of ragnarok lasts quite a while longer (30sec ?) and you're right, as a kobold you'd pretty much have to go spear because of their low strength, norse can chose more freely, but still have to keep the str/con debuff poison of assassins in mind, however, all spear styles also have a defense penalty, sword styles don't

having said that, I only have very limited experience in playing my hunter, he's like RR2 or so and not even sword spec, most of what I know about them is from watching them and rvr and the occasional duo with one

heh Don't need to be like RR7+ or something to know the basic theory behind a char, just reading up about it and common knowledge of the game is that ;P

The stun is like 5-6sec, tho prob takes like 5 sec to hit again ^^

The defence penalties don't make any noticeable difference from what I've seen, I've only been spear on my hunter tho, I've tried slash and thrust specs on my scout... using sting from thrust line, I believe has a huge penalty, but I've not noticed any diff from using slash lines Ame slash.

Why didn't you tell me Dagger you where playing again HUH???

 

[Ormorof]

Correct me if im wrong but isnt Sword based on STR and Spear STR/DEX?
So i guess a Kobbie should go for Spear and Norse can choose either one depending of taste. Ofc a Kobbie can go Sword too, but isnt DaoC all about getting the most utility possible out of your chars?

however infils get str/con debuff meaning you are affected more when using sword (because of spear being str/dex you dont loose as much damage, or something )

you've been hiding on excal too much i think jaem :touch: