Streching the possible.

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Wij

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In my opinion this was what made The Matrix, and quite often Reloaded too, interesting. The whole concept of being just that bit better at doing ordinary things, or even a whole lot better. You take the idea of what's possible and then show the audience something that seems just a little beyond it.

Revolutions barely takes place in the matrix. This removes that whole device completely.

Example: Bullet-time.

Humans can move.
Bullets move towards them.
Humans can dodge things.
Humans can't normally dodge bullets.
If you could move and think a bit faster though...

Wow cool !!11 etc...

Compare that to how Neo 'Stretches the Possible' in Revolutions.

Example: Making robots explode whilst flying over the robot city.

Humans can't make robots explode by holding out a hand.
Err...
Um...

You see you have no frame of reference for it at all. When he tells Trinity to fly up above the clouds because he can't handle them all we don't know why. We have no idea whether it would be any more difficult for him to click his fingers and the whole lot of them explodes or for him to click his fingers and magic up a nice pie. Since we have no clue how or why this should be difficult for him we don't care.

Incidentally if the robots can't go above the clouds why didn't they go there in the first place. I mean d'uh. But plot-holes are a whole other ball-game.

Back to the theme. Even when the action finally got back into the Matrix with the Neo v Smith battle, we haven't seen them do anything in the Matrix for a long while. We have no idea who will be most powerful as we've been given no clues. Nothing has really built up to this. Devoid of any real reason to think we might know who will win we metally prepare ourselves for a very long fight that we ultimately know Neo will win in some fashion. Admittedly we know that in most films but at least you have been given some reason to doubt the outcome which makes you think 'I wonder how he'll get round that ?'

In conclusion, unlike the first two, the action in Revolutions isn't 'Stretching the Possible' it's leaving us hanging without a frame of reference at all. Nothing is built up properly. Hence we don't care.

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CptDoom

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I have lost total interest in the Matrix. Its been rammed down my throat far too much and far too often.

I agree with your post but Superman was cool
 
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Whoodoo_RD

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Saw it last night. Three words is all I can muster right now.














"What the f***?"
 
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Testin da Cable

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goodness, and so early in the morning too! I shall comment properly once the caffeine levels are up cap'in!
 
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whipped

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I'm looking forward to Return of the King. At least there's no way to be dissapointed with that film, as the last book is a damn good read.

Sorry, slightly off-topic.
 
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doh_boy

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Originally posted by whipped
I'm looking forward to Return of the King. At least there's no way to be dissapointed with that film, as the last book is a damn good read.

Sorry, slightly off-topic.
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:eek: You've jinxed it now. Say touch wood damnit!
 
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whipped

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Funnily when I wrote that I was going to add to the end of it.

"No Wij. Don't say the obvious" :D
 
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Meatballs

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Well human brain works via like electricity sparking between neurons, so if someone evolved with a strong enough electrical signal, they could possibly create EMP pulses in their mind or something.
 
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Testin da Cable

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a workmate can make servers crash just by looking at them :/
 
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DaGaffer

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Originally posted by Wij
In my opinion this was what made The Matrix, .... Hence we don't care.

Discuss...
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Yeah, what he said.
 
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Wij

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Originally posted by Meatballs
Well human brain works via like electricity sparking between neurons, so if someone evolved with a strong enough electrical signal, they could possibly create EMP pulses in their mind or something.
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Yes but the point is I can relate to dodging things. Bullet-time is just an enhanced version of that. It's like Dodger 3 for the DAoC nerds :)

Making things explode by holding out my hand is something I can't relate to. Therefore I have no idea whether it would be difficult or not or what might give him trouble. Therefore, no tension. No suspense. No caring.

It's called the Matrix ffs. Why didn't they have more of it in the Matrix, where it's fun ?

Back to the point about the Neo vs Smith fight not being built up to. Compare it to the final fight between Ken and Raul at the end of Fist of the North Star. This has been built up brilliantly. We've seem both of them crush enemies, pursue each other's interests, recall past events fight each other's friends and so forth until they are the only two major players left. We know they are the best now. We've seen the evidence for the last hour and a half. The rivalry is real, personal and we have real reason to believe they are fairly evenly matched and that in all likelihood that the bad guy is the stronger (which he is.) in revolutions there is none of this. We see virtually nothing of them in the matrix all film hence we have no clue as to how well they are fighting at the minute. If it had been Smith that killed Trinity somehow then this might be cheesy but it would have helped. I kept wondering why Neo cared about Smith at all. Sure, he wanted to save Zion but he had no immediate personal reason to want to fight Smith. If it hadn't been for the silly Zion truce bargain he could have just let the Matrix rot.
 
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Jonaldo

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hey at least there's no spoilers in this thread for any of us thinking of going to see Revolutions over the weekend :)

And why has no-one pointed out the obvious crap factor about the Matrix trilogy? the names. ReLoaded? Revolutions? how wazz! Reloaded was possibly the most corny name for a sequel they could've come up with. Even Matrix 2 & 3 would've been better.
 
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whipped

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The thing that got to me was the fact that they said at the end that anyone that wanted to leave The Matrix would be allowed to.
But the whole point of The Matrix was to be so indistinguishable from the real world that noone knew it wasn't real. Christ, Neo only had a vauge idea that there was something wrong with the world, but everyone thinks that at some point.

Basically, what I'm saying is, if noone knows that they are in The Matrix how can the want to leave.

I suppose the surviours of Zion could jack into The Matrix and hold up banners. But they have no working hovercrafts left and from the boring speech in the second film, it seems that noone knows how to work any of the technology. Everyone is completely a user.

Soz Wij, taking your argument off track slightly, but this has been bugging me all day.
 
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Arnor

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Originally posted by Testin da Cable
a workmate can make servers crash just by looking at them :/
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Your reffering to the profecy of The One v0.6?
 
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Arnor

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*CTRL+C->CTRL+V*


Say hello to spoiler-heaven


Film coolness-curve for me: ____--------_


the beginning was the actors from the Matrix1 but it didnt feel like the matrix. Like the friends gang playing a boring as hell chess-movie or sumt, I didnt feel like it fit.

Bane, The Hammer, people on there. Could you BE MORE FUCKING STUPID?!


"hi, we believe this guy here who's in a coma is responsible for getting half the ships killed, lets lay him nicely on this bench here with sharp objects nearby incase he wakes up"

That pissed me off no end


Neo becomming blind was totally kickass, Trinity dying was cool because it "never" happens in other flicks, and because you could almost feel she would bite it seconds before.


Even though Seraph was totally teh roxx, I think it was retarded that him, oracle and indian-girl suddenly were alive after smith was dead. Wtf did he do with em? use winzip?

Even though Trinity is dead and Neo most likely is too, the human race is in ruins and the rest of em are still connected to the matrix, they fucking managed to make it a happy-happy-joy-joy ending, which is balls.

Also, Merv had a tiny part (AGAIN!!), he is very cool and should have had a bigger part, ditto for monica bellucis boobs

Really loved the fact that they had reload-squads for the APU's

oh and on that note, the designer of the APU's should have been shot "look at me, I have this big APU and will smash you"
*throws knife* "gcckkkaaaaarrrghh, you killed me"

the whole fucking IDEA of an ARMORED Personell Unit (im guessing) is that it should PROTECT the user, no?

petty yes since they are fighting robots etc, but still damn annoying.


Other then that I liked the flick pretty well.


It was in NO way close to matrix1 (maybe the run to the machine city by neo&trin-trin, but nuttin else)

Im not thinking of this as a trilogy, its The Matrix, then Damn Cool Action Flick 1&2 (reloaded&revolutions) imo
 
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ECA

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At first I thought this was a topic about fisting.

How wrong I was.
 
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Nos-

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I have but one thing to add.

Worst ending in motion picture history.

I thank you.
 
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DaGaffer

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Originally posted by whipped
The thing that got to me was the fact that they said at the end that anyone that wanted to leave The Matrix would be allowed to.
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I didn't read it that way - I thought they were talking about programs being allowed to leave machine city, I didn't think they were talking about humans. (Apart from anything else, how would the humans in the Matrix know to ask?)
 
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Tom

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Its called choice, which I think is the whole point. People 'reject' the matrix (subconsiously), they are able to do so because they are given the choice. They just won't send agents after them any more.
 
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Sar

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Fuck sake people go watch it again and pay attention this time.
 
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doh_boy

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I'm with tom, think of the guy who betrayed them in the first one he chose to live in the matrix because even if it is a lie it feels better than living like he does in zion. Life in zion is hard and the foods not great.

Also I liked the ending. :D
 
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Damini

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I thought the ending was a travesty. The triumph of the first film was to end on a scream of defiance, a rattle of RATM and the promise of future rebellion and revelations. This one ended like a sacchrine dunked United Colors of Benetton advert, and I found it nauseating.
 
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Jonaldo

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Main problem was whereas the first Matrix film left you thinking about different possiblities and viewpoints of reality and giving chances for different perspectives, the second and thrid parts then tried to answer them which spoils the point of it. And then it's as if mid-way through these films they realised the error of their ways and tried to throw in some more questions but then hinted at answers. Only these questions had nothing to do with anything really and it all becomes a bit farcical.

Poor, poor sequels to a good film.

Before anyone points out that I'm not understanding it because I didn't pay enough attention to it or don't understand it you couldn't be further from the truth. The reason I'm so critical of them is because I CAN understand what they're trying to do and it really is just a laughable attempt to be clever and technical. It's only fanbois of the film that just simply refuse to accept that it's simply NOT very good.

**(Similar to fans of the Terminator that hated it when you say something like "but if John Connor just killed the Terminator, all the evidence and managed to stop the war before it starts, then Reece won't need to be sent back to protect Sarah, they won't have sex and John won't even be born! It's a paradox and the world will explode"). Difference being that sequel to The Terminator was better than the sequels to The Matrix.**

In short, The Matrix Retarded and The Matrix Revolting weren't very good, not because of my failure to grasp the concepts of them, but just because they weren't very good. Plain and simple.


**totally off topic
 
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