Stop camping artifacts with 1 person

[Flimgoblin]

double standards is of fotm

I've yet to see Wabbit post anything in support of camping anywhere - so where's the double standard?

Camping with 1 person when you can't do the encounter means you get first warning that an artifact is up and if you're not a complete arsehole and if the group that makes it there before your 17 friends show up from across the world are anywhere near decent it should get you credit for the encounter too.

Camping with a group capable of doing the encounter means you should get first go at it.

 

[Flimgoblin]

telling peopel to FOAD = perma ban i thought

technically only if you add IRL to the end of it - I've censored it instead.

 

[Thorwyn]

Hmm, maybe there could be possibility how to provide much higher effectivity in artefact gain...
Why not make a chatgroup similar to emain one. Then you come, log in that cg "Is xxx artefact camped?" "No" or no response - then you camp it; "Yes" - you go for something else.
Minimaly it saves you long way and following frustration of finding place camped.

There are some problems with this solution.

1. This basically supports camping artifacts with single toons and it supports abusing alts. If I would camp 3 artis with 3 toons on 3 accounts (not that I would... just for example) and somebody would ask "is artifact X camped", I´d promptly reply "yes" if its any of the three artifacts I´m camping. And according to your plan, this would be enough to keep everybody from trying to take one of my "camped" artifacts (because it´s a long way and a waste of time and you know it´s camped anyways etc.). Hey, I can even "camp" 5 or 6 artis just by saying "yes".

So, basically, we´re creating a situation where we achieve the opposite of what we want. People who´re willing to "waste" their time in fg´s, running around between artifact spots (like it´s supposed to be), killing mobs if their up will be scared off and instead, people with mupltiple accounts will get an advantage. It´s like logging on and asking in /cg "are gobos camped" and a single lvl 20 bb standing there can just say "yes" and keep you from going to lyonesse.

2. The "I do what I want" factor aka Sidi syndrome.
People WILL ignore a cg like that, even if it would work. It´s a common knowledge that a good number of people are having all common sense resists capped. Just take a look at the Sidi "booking" thread and how it has been subject to discussion in the past. "You cannot claim a dungeon, I´m paying as much money as you to play this so I`m free to go wherever I want and do what I want". This kind of attitide is quite common and is able to spoil a system like this one, even if it worked.

 

[Dekker]

with everyone playing in his own pocket

What, like pocket billiards? Only game I ever win consistently at.....

 

[Honza]

1. This basically supports camping artifacts with single toons and it supports abusing alts. If I would camp 3 artis with 3 toons on 3 accounts (not that I would... just for example) and somebody would ask "is artifact X camped", I´d promptly reply "yes" if its any of the three artifacts I´m camping. And according to your plan, this would be enough to keep everybody from trying to take one of my "camped" artifacts (because it´s a long way and a waste of time and you know it´s camped anyways etc.). Hey, I can even "camp" 5 or 6 artis just by saying "yes".

Hmm, of course my idea was calculating with Homo Sapiens playing the game, but hmmmm... These campers will hardly be able to be in two chatgroups in time, since they very prolly be in emain or some ML chatgroup, so they won't know about the question.

2. The "I do what I want" factor aka Sidi syndrome.
People WILL ignore a cg like that, even if it would work. It´s a common knowledge that a good number of people are having all common sense resists capped. Just take a look at the Sidi "booking" thread and how it has been subject to discussion in the past. "You cannot claim a dungeon, I´m paying as much money as you to play this so I`m free to go wherever I want and do what I want". This kind of attitide is quite common and is able to spoil a system like this one, even if it worked.

Simply we can't go forward because a lot of people behave worse than pig.

 

[Thorwyn]

These campers will hardly be able to be in two chatgroups in time, since they very prolly be in emain or some ML chatgroup, so they won't know about the question.

Not neccesarily true. They can craft, or just roam Emain in 1fg (without being in the Emain cg) or they can even just sit, read a book and watch the screen occasionally. The cg doesn´t solve the problem, it´s only fighting symptoms.

 

[Honza]

You have any idea how to kill the problem?
Or will the Albs behave like barbarian horde? I hope not.

 

[Flimgoblin]

You have any idea how to kill the problem?
Or will the Albs behave like barbarian horde? I hope not.

the problem is human nature and so far it's proved incurable.

 

[Thorwyn]

well.. there is no "real" problem there.
Whoever is there with a large enough force to actually kill the mob gets it, regardless if there´s a muppet sitting in front of it, trying to camp it. That´s the only way how it works and the one thing we should NOT do is enhance the problem by giving those a platform who´re trying to camp stuff with one char and claim it.

 

[Flimgoblin]

indeed camping a non-soloable artifact solo should not give you the divine right to be the only person to do the encounter...

the 12 hour camp time is and should not be a prerequisite to activating your artifact.... (if only because it says: "no artifacts unless you have nothing better to do than camp for 12 hours at a time")

If you find an artifact with a group capable of doing it and the only other people there are completely incapable of doing it (if they're a gimp group give them a chance first ) then go ahead and do it.

Feel free to be nice and give the bloke camping bg invite so he can get credit, and if you're really generous you can believe his story about the 17 guildmates inc (sometimes its true)

 

[Red HATred]

the problem is human nature and so far it's proved incurable.

So true...

best line for this thread..

personal mental note:" I won't do it "
if all think that way... no dicussion

btw, camping, still open for discussion, i have been flamed for camping TK in a thread here.. while ppl are just farming their sox off on the mobs on a spot , then pick up the occasional Special mob can you call that camping?
Saying to ppl that you do kill something if you see it?....
If ppl want to nagg, they will nag, if they want problems they will create them. All to feel better.... at all cost

I think i have a dozen ppl already here on excal whom i helped just passing by, hopping in , helping them, not demanding anything, just finsih the Event cause i can do it solo and they can't with a couple of ppl. Don't need anything..... don't need to farm for seelling either... rather have the ppl experience a certain encounter then be a lame ass trying to push some Gp's out of it. Just telling ppl how you do it, showing it... and giving them some game knowledge... at least they know that there is more to all then just farm it , activate it, get it there... and never come back...


greetz



actions speak louder then typed words
this comming from me, it can only be a reality in a fictional space.

 

[Tay]

actually the dragon list is more of a "We're off to kill the dragon on X day - so it probably won't be around for a few hours after that, please don't go in before us and kill it, thanks."

Given that it's usually a fair amount of effort to set up a dragon raid only to find someone else is there (and unlike most artifacts it's quite a bit out of the way) or the dragon isn't spawned it's generally polite to tell other people that it probably won't be there of an evening.

If artifacts weren't so easily accessible and a bit more predictable then there might be a reason for an "artifact raid notification list" but unlike the dragon you can drive by most artifacts within 5 minutes of leaving the haven to check if they're up, and if they're not then try something else close by.

And there is 50ish+ artifacts

 

[Flimgoblin]

And there is 50ish+ artifacts

indeed - you'd not be able to see the forum for the number of sticky threads