Still can't understand ...

[Demonio Warfury]

Why, in each server that i play, albion player don't have enough skill to fight the other realms.

They always enjoy play with the guard of relic/keeps/BG ...

tristezza ...

 

[Cami]

my epenis is bigger than yours...

 

[Ivan]

Albion need a boost, wain !

 

[civy]

And remember that when NF comes out. It’s all down to skill. Nothing to do with class balance or the type of rvr. Just Skill. Hope to see no QQing from you when NF hits the servers.

 

[Azathrim]

Why, in each server that i play, albion player don't have enough skill to fight the other realms.

They always enjoy play with the guard of relic/keeps/BG ...

tristezza ...

Bullshit... ran into PE yesterday. They got plenty skill and farmed quite alot in Emain.

It's just a matter of who takes the focus and creates opted gank groups. PE does it. BO does it. NP does it.
Then there's pickup groups and other random groups. Obvious they are going to get rolled by gank groups that has spend the time to optimise their effort.

the real question would be:
Why does a lower percentage of Albs form opted gank groups?

 

[Shadster]

And remember that when NF comes out. It’s all down to skill. Nothing to do with class balance or the type of rvr. Just Skill. Hope to see no QQing from you when NF hits the servers.

you mean it all comes down to the amount of numbers :touch:

 

[ElemenT]

my epenis is bigger than yours...

Oh rly??

 

[Vindicator]

Why, in each server that i play, albion player don't have enough skill to fight the other realms.

They always enjoy play with the guard of relic/keeps/BG ...

tristezza ...

Bull Shit man.

Plenty of albs on both Pryd and Excal play very well together as a group. PE are 1 for sure, FL another 1, LOE used to be <right xD?> and Then what you have are 'good' players outside of that, who either join groups with other 'good' players in different guilds or just join the afore mentioned guild groupes when there's space. As for excal I could name some guilds but most ppl already know who they are or havent a clue so no point.

The Problem or 'Lack' of skill you are trying to point out derives from the fact that Albion always seems to have a larger population than any of the 2 realms, nearly twice that of Hibernia's for example, and thus by shear mathematics they have alot more casual < dare I say it> 'Un-skilled' Players who dont have 7 lvl 10 artifacts with all 37/32 mp armor and ml10 with rr8 and a 50 Enchance cleric with moArt3 etc etc .. So this leads to them getting the shit stompped into them by the likes of hibs and mids who may not be exactly elite them self's but there realm has more utility based around fewer class's meaning it's more likely they will have a 'decent' group when they go rvr and less likely that the albs will even have all the class's they need. Just 8 guys who want to run about emain for a bit, maybe 2 paladins 1 2h ofc, a fire wizz, a body caby , a matter sorc a strong s/s Arms a scout and an infil. All unbuffed ofc . The kind of group that gets raped the second it steps out from atk but they still do because there just casual and want some quick fun.

So think before you needlesslly Flame.

< Ye I play Hib/pryd and Alb/excal so I do know what I speak of and hib/pryd arent exactly the most 'excellent' rvr players either you know >

ps: Certain guilds and players are etc ofc

 

[Sycho]

Even we had a guild group out yesterday, think we did pretty well although got steam rolled a few times but that happens everywhere and we were only alb fg out for a while so can't expect it.Logged off at 8pm so do not know how alb rvr was after that, guessing PE and some others rvred then too.

 

[Dreami]

Albs got 1 power relic on Prydwen atm, which doesn't do anything for us.. And pls, about BG/grapple, only Albs use them.. AYE =)

 

[Gahn]

Ah

The peep doesn't know shit about Prydwen history, nothing to see here imo

 

[Vindicator]

Albs got 1 power relic on Prydwen atm, which doesn't do anything for us.. And pls, about BG/grapple, only Albs use them.. AYE =)

He was talking about BattleGrounds if Im not mistaken. In Reference to albs prefering to Guard there Relic < a Keep> / Keeps < nuff said xD> / BG < Thid ck > than fight in the open etc.

No need to go Justifying your self to somebody that doesnt have a clue anyway Dreami

 

[xenia-]

my epenis is bigger than yours...

oh, wait, epeen, my bad :x

 

[Vermillon]

you mean it all comes down to the amount of numbers :touch:

So you realy accept that you were overpowered all these years. Think before you speak. Claiming that pre NF you can compite larger numbers than you got means you are more powerfull than the numbers you compite. But if you had the brains to think of that you wouldnt be a Hib.

 

[Azathrim]

The Problem or 'Lack' of skill you are trying to point out derives from the fact that Albion always seems to have a larger population than any of the 2 realms, nearly twice that of Hibernia's for example, and thus by shear mathematics they have alot more casual < dare I say it> 'Un-skilled' Players who dont have 7 lvl 10 artifacts with all 37/32 mp armor and ml10 with rr8 and a 50 Enchance cleric with moArt3 etc etc .. So this leads to them getting the shit stompped into them by the likes of hibs and mids who may not be exactly elite them self's but there realm has more utility based around fewer class's meaning it's more likely they will have a 'decent' group when they go rvr and less likely that the albs will even have all the class's they need. Just 8 guys who want to run about emain for a bit, maybe 2 paladins 1 2h ofc, a fire wizz, a body caby , a matter sorc a strong s/s Arms a scout and an infil. All unbuffed ofc . The kind of group that gets raped the second it steps out from atk but they still do because there just casual and want some quick fun.

Uhm... no.

How can you suddenly start saying a random mid group have better chances against an opted alb group ... compared to an alb random group vs. a mid opted group?

The matter of fact is, that random groups get slaughtered by opted groups - no matter the realm.

When it comes down to random vs. random ... well. How can you say in general terms that either realm have an advantage? Afterall, it's down to which classes the individual realm brings - plus luck and skill ofcourse.

If mids brough 8 thanes and albs brough 2 cleric, 2 sorcs, 1 paladin, 1 minstrel, 1 cabalist and 1 merc .... I think the albs would win. Don't you? Well.. unless they were really shitty players ofcourse.

 

[Vindicator]

Uhm... no.

How can you suddenly start saying a random mid group have better chances against an opted alb group ... compared to an alb random group vs. a mid opted group?

The matter of fact is, that random groups get slaughtered by opted groups - no matter the realm.

When it comes down to random vs. random ... well. How can you say in general terms that either realm have an advantage? Afterall, it's down to which classes the individual realm brings - plus luck and skill ofcourse.

If mids brough 8 thanes and albs brough 2 cleric, 2 sorcs, 1 paladin, 1 minstrel, 1 cabalist and 1 merc .... I think the albs would win. Don't you? Well.. unless they were really shitty players ofcourse.

Im not suddenly saying that if you read my post mate. A random mid group would get ownd by an optimal alb group. I never suggested otherwise.

As for Random vs. Random, how can I say ? simple. Again if you actually read my post you would see that. Both mid and hib have few class's and have more utility on there 'essential Characters' than alb characters do so therefore it is 'more likely' as I said in my 1st post already, that they will have a decent group. Of course it depends on the players skill and what class's happen to come but there is a better chance the hibs and mids will be balanced as opposed to the Albs. Hey Albs seem to get the " For Arthur!" types and thus leads to alot of Lancealot Paladin's and Merlin Firewizards ^^.

And ye I prob think the albs should win in that case but who's to say. 8 rr10 Thanes all buffed to the tits with toa out the ying yang against 8 'Roleplayers' I would probably put my money on the thanes . < omg 8 rr10 thanes, I think not! >

 

[Azathrim]

Fair enough Vindicator. However, it seems too many albs are so obsessed with this 'deluded classes' syndrom they have. Well, guess what... It may have been true once upon a time. But it is no more! Sure, there can be a few particular specs and classes that has less utility than their counterparts. However, many people change character or learn to adapt if they don't like their particular character.

I see alot of Sorcs running about forinstance, ... and don't tell me that particular caster class has any trouble performing!

 

[Balbor]

When it comes down to random vs. random ... well. How can you say in general terms that either realm have an advantage? Afterall, it's down to which classes the individual realm brings - plus luck and skill ofcourse.

when it comes to random group vs random group then albion has there abilities spread over more classes, making it a little harder to form well balanced groups.

 

[Dorin]

...form well balanced groups.

just do it.



What Azathrim said about "omfg we s00k" alb syndrome is soooo true sadly.

 

[Azathrim]

Albion has more classes per se, but I don't see how it is that particular harder.

You need at least:
2 characters that can heal.
Cleric vs. Healer
1 character that can CC
Sorcerer vs. Healer
1 character that can provide end regen
Paladin vs. Shaman
1 character that can provide some sort of speed
Minstrel vs. Skald
3 characters that can provide damage
Sorcs+other casters+tanks vs. Mystics+Tanks


Yeah... the Healer can double his role... CC + Heal.
Just as the Sorc can double his role.... CC + Damage.

I honestly don't see how this 'more classes' arguments is anything more than a crudge for Albion. I see how people belive it though... and that's straight back to randoms getting wiped by opted groups.

 

[Vindicator]

Albion has more classes per se, but I don't see how it is that particular harder.

You need at least:
2 characters that can heal.
Cleric vs. Healer
1 character that can CC
Sorcerer vs. Healer
1 character that can provide end regen
Paladin vs. Shaman
1 character that can provide some sort of speed
Minstrel vs. Skald
3 characters that can provide damage
Sorcs+other casters+tanks vs. Mystics+Tanks


Yeah... the Healer can double his role... CC + Heal.
Just as the Sorc can double his role.... CC + Damage.

I honestly don't see how this 'more classes' arguments is anything more than a crudge for Albion. I see how people belive it though... and that's straight back to randoms getting wiped by opted groups.

Good Points Azathrim But as for the sorc thing. If the sorc is actually doing his job he wont have time to be nuking. Well if does have time then his enemys arent that good

as for the grp needs heals/ CC / end / speed it breaks down like this so.

Hib:
Bard
Druid

Mid: < some could argue that healer speed + end would negate the skald <shrug>
Healer
shammy
Skald

Alb: < same can be said for Pala + sorc but minstrel with sos is needed imo>
Sorc
Cleric
Minstrel
Paladin.

Of course albs can make decent groups. I dont think people are crying about the lack of 'utility' in alb class's so much. Just pointing it out as so many peeps seem to forget it,or ignore it, lets face it. It still gives an advantage anyway you look at it.

 

[Kami]

I'd argue that the wizard has shit utility compared to any caster in midgard or hibernia

and I don't even have one !

 

[Azathrim]

Good Points Azathrim But as for the sorc thing. If the sorc is actually doing his job he wont have time to be nuking. Well if does have time then his enemys arent that good

as for the grp needs heals/ CC / end / speed it breaks down like this so.

Hib:
Bard
Druid

Mid: < some could argue that healer speed + end would negate the skald <shrug>
Healer
shammy
Skald

Alb: < same can be said for Pala + sorc but minstrel with sos is needed imo>
Sorc
Cleric
Minstrel
Paladin.

So, you are saying that a Sorc should not perform two roles at once, while the Healer forinstance should? Ei, Sorc (damage/CC) and Healer (healing/CC)?

Don't look at what a class has on paper (if he specs in all his lines or particular specs). Look at 8 slots that can be filled with different classes.

 

[Balbor]

just do it.



What Azathrim said about "omfg we s00k" alb syndrome is soooo true sadly.

i did say 'harder' to make them, albion is made up of more classes while at the same time have more classes that are seen as un-needed for RvR or are required to be used in a specifict group group set up. I'm sure even members of rvr guild that run opted group most of the time will find themselves in an un-ideal group set up at some time. Its very rare for someone to run what could be truly defined as a random group (ie a group that takes the first 8 eople it can), genraly everything is done to balance the group out but often an alb group is forced to leave with no top speed or full CC etc. Random group are most likely to be formed by the most commen classes of the realm (at L50), for albion this will be:
Cleric
Paladin
Necromancer
Infiltrator
Minstral
Wizard
Scout
Mercanary
Without Assassins and Archers + Armsman % Frier
Missing: Top Mezz, Debuff Nuking, PBT

For Mids this is
Shamen
Healer
Spiritmaster
Warroir
Shadowblade
Sklad
Hunter
Runemaster
Without Assassins and Archers + Thane and Savage

For Hibs
Druid
Enchanter
Bard
Ranger
Nightshade
Hero
Warden
Eldritch
Without Assassins and Archers + Animists and Mentalists

Currently the 3 most importain things are Healing, Speed and CC, albions requier 3 classes for the best of those 3 while Mids/Hibs only requier 2

 

[Ormorof]

speed and CC? you do realise for healer to get speed, CC and healing you would need 2 healers right? whereas for speed and CC on alb you would need 1 sorc?

also why arent cabalists in that list balbor?

 

[Nimah™]

speed and CC? you do realise for healer to get speed, CC and healing you would need 2 healers right? whereas for speed and CC on alb you would need 1 sorc?

also why arent cabalists in that list balbor?

Because he is balbor

 

[Oro]

And remember that when NF comes out. It’s all down to skill. Nothing to do with class balance or the type of rvr. Just Skill. Hope to see no QQing from you when NF hits the servers.

Muhahahaha(TM) ... Aye, there will be a fair bit of that.

When I started playing Alb NF was quite a way off. Was funny when beta reports and then the live update went on and it seemed that Albs were starting to do really well. (And WAH everyone suddenly started playing Dark SMs when I'd been trying to get a cockroach group together for nearly 2 years and failed).

Not very good flame thread though. I'd only maybe give it 4/10 for incitement

 

[Balbor]

speed and CC? you do realise for healer to get speed, CC and healing you would need 2 healers right? whereas for speed and CC on alb you would need 1 sorc?

also why arent cabalists in that list balbor?

I'm talking about Mach5 speed and 1min+ AOE mezz

The list is taken from the daoc-stats.com class stats, level 50s only

so to answer your question 'also why arent cabalists in that list balbor?' the answer is becasue not enough people have L50 cabalists, they rank 13th (2nd from bottom) on the L50 albion classes.

Damage is a role performed my many classes, sorcerer are in no way the best a performing single target DDs (Wizards and cabalists will out perform them). Only one class per realm can perform Main Healing (mainly Spread healing to allow healing class to 'hide' out of LOS), main CC (mainly top level AOE mezz) and 204% speed.
For Mids that Healer and Skald
For Hibs thats Bard and Druid
For Albs thats Minstral, Sorcerer and Cleric.

 

[Azathrim]

Damage is a role performed my many classes, sorcerer are in no way the best a performing single target DDs (Wizards and cabalists will out perform them).

Well, according to calculations, a sorcerors baseline level 50 lifetap has a higher DPS than the delve 209 spec nukes. Ofcourse, you need to spec 33+ body for it. But, which sorc doesn't do that? (and still have the high level mezz in mind).

 

[Ormorof]

For Mids that Healer and Skald
For Hibs thats Bard and Druid
For Albs thats Minstral, Sorcerer and Cleric.

did you ever for one moment think thats a GOOD thing?

mid healers need 44 pac 30 mendish to be considered "pac healers" whereas cleric doesnt need to worry about anything but rejuv since buffs can come from bots, sorc just needs to concentrate on mez, minstrel on speed etc etc