State of Albion..

[Straef]

ye poor mids never had a chance yet in 2 years of daoc ;(

<whispers> 3...

 

[Cozak]

Mids won't come out because of the albs? Why, because albs and hibs actually put effort into keeptaking etc unlike mids?

How wrong you are, and you can hardly say that after hibs have held a keep in your frontier for like 1 week now?

 

[Bleeker]

last night mids AND albs outnumbered hibs in rvr atleast 5-1 so whats happened? did you find the door to frontier? wow got boring after 1 week? tell me im curious

 

[Eroda]

Clerics are the main problem atm, theres tons of sorcs out so often get 2+ in a group. The class simply isn't as fun imo as its counterparts and alot of people feel they are just heal bots rather than a key class to the group. Smite line needs a little something to make it more attractive, maybe a short duration pbaoe stun or some sort of aoe interupt, i dont know really but something so they feel they are contributing more. Intending to respec my bb when it hits rr5 although im a rubbish healer.

Cant see mythic ever bothering to do much now as they feel the current classes are already working as intended it seems and theres no need to alter them as it wont bring them anymore money.

Difficult to stay positive atm when albion appears to have lost all its experienced rvr players and can barely even put together 1 single balanced group. Alot of people are saying very negative things as well which just makes the mood worse. I just hope catacombs brings some people back but if not, i guess a server merge might help. Pryd just doesn't have enough people to support NF.

 

[chretien]

Clerics are the main problem atm, theres tons of sorcs out so often get 2+ in a group. The class simply isn't as fun imo as its counterparts and alot of people feel they are just heal bots rather than a key class to the group. Smite line needs a little something to make it more attractive, maybe a short duration pbaoe stun or some sort of aoe interupt, i dont know really but something so they feel they are contributing more. Intending to respec my bb when it hits rr5 although im a rubbish healer.

Cant see mythic ever bothering to do much now as they feel the current classes are already working as intended it seems and theres no need to alter them as it wont bring them anymore money.

Difficult to stay positive atm when albion appears to have lost all its experienced rvr players and can barely even put together 1 single balanced group. Alot of people are saying very negative things as well which just makes the mood worse. I just hope catacombs brings some people back but if not, i guess a server merge might help. Pryd just doesn't have enough people to support NF.

My rejuve cleric gets turned down for groups when I ask. Mostly it's because they have a buff/DI bot, sometimes it's because I don't have FoP (the first question I usually get asked is what ML are you). Perhaps I have a reputation as a crap cleric and the above reasons are just excuses. All I know is that I've been trying to get some RvR with a cleric for a few weeks and only actually got a group a couple of times in that period. Eroda is spot on about the 'fun' level of playing a cleric compared with other realms primary healers. I don't have nearly the same number of toys as a mend healer or nurture druid. The only way I can see that changing is if Mythic rework the Smite line to make it worth speccing and to give it more utility in the baseline. That's not likely to happen though.

 

[Belomar]

The class simply isn't as fun imo as its counterparts and alot of people feel they are just heal bots rather than a key class to the group.

Let me tell you, my main task in our group is to heal, and I still don't consider myself a "healbot"; healing is an art, not a craft. Perhaps you shouldn't ask a damage dealer about support, though...

 

[Eroda]

Let me tell you, my main task in our group is to heal, and I still don't consider myself a "healbot"; healing is an art, not a craft. Perhaps you shouldn't ask a damage dealer about support, though...

Healers are one of most important parts of a group but when i play my cleric i feel too passive though. Like even if i heal really well, i still cant influence the fight as much as say a druid by petting a key class or interupting with root. The base line stun is useful but not really on the same level imo. (I've rvr'd with both druid and cleric and found the druid a far more useful class).

Just feel the cleric class hasn't got any nice little additions that can swing a fight in your favour. It isn't a particularly bad class in anyway, just the specs are pretty much limited to be being a buff bot or being a healing cleric with very little scope for anything else. For a new player especially, the class simply isn't appealing.

Just my opinions anyway, it could well be just my play style as i tend to prefer to be interupting or damage dealing in general.

 

[Bhalage]

healer fun factor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cleric fun factor
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[Yma]

Welcome to our world albs, be happy you carried on till now in good shape, for us the end was swifter ... as much as it looks hard to accomplish, I'm sure you still have good people ready to make new groups and a new generation of RvRers. The game can still be fun - just stay away from those evul RR13 ML11 hib groups and you are set.

 

[Killerbee]

One more thing about clerics (and it's prolly true for healers, druids): above your "passive" role, a player with healer class (same with the ccer) suffer the most from lack of success. I mean, if your grp die, even if you did everything right you would think damn, it's my fault (or others in grp would tell you ^^). So maybe that's why not so appealing to choose cleric.

 

[Straef]

How wrong you are, and you can hardly say that after hibs have held a keep in your frontier for like 1 week now?

Hibs holding a keep means albs haven't been doing anything? And last week hasn't been one of the most active weeks for albion, tho you might have missed the wow release and all. Hibs have been doing a LOT better than mids with about equal numbers, because they actually seem to try while mids move on to fh and start whine threads over not having relics or keeps.

 

[Cozak]

Hibs holding a keep means albs haven't been doing anything? And last week hasn't been one of the most active weeks for albion, tho you might have missed the wow release and all. Hibs have been doing a LOT better than mids with about equal numbers, because they actually seem to try while mids move on to fh and start whine threads over not having relics or keeps.

Hibs do a lot better than everyone cos the only ones that ever kill ppl are opted FG's of RR9+ If you mean what i think you mean as well i didnt miss last week due to wow release and it doesnt seem albs were doing a whole lot to regain the keep.. if you wanted to do something you could field a force that would roll over the keep.

 

[Bleeker]

poor poor albs cant anyone help them





i know lets make a Alb Aid concert....i heard Bob Geldof was interested...

 

[Chrystina]

I loved to play my cleric much more than playing my merc... More to do than just assist & stick ... and I think I did an OK job at it as well
oh and yes, it's always your fault as cleric if your group loses a 1fg vs. 1fg fight, no matter how much you try to explain that a wanker called Spine'something added and kept you interrupted every bloody time :touch:

 

[Straef]

Hibs do a lot better than everyone cos the only ones that ever kill ppl are opted FG's of RR9+ If you mean what i think you mean as well i didnt miss last week due to wow release and it doesnt seem albs were doing a whole lot to regain the keep.. if you wanted to do something you could field a force that would roll over the keep.

I'd have to activate acc then, no tnx :I

 

[Belomar]

One more thing about clerics (and it's prolly true for healers, druids): above your "passive" role, a player with healer class (same with the ccer) suffer the most from lack of success.

In a way, that's true for all support; you don't get to be the one that brings the enemy down (and getting that satisfying killspam), so it is much harder to take credit when your group wins. Analogously, when your group dies, it will be easier to take blame. That is part of the mindset of support characters; it is certainly not for everyone, and I am bold enough to think it takes a little more maturity to enjoy playing a support char than a damage dealer.

 

[Rediknight]

In a way, that's true for all support; you don't get to be the one that brings the enemy down (and getting that satisfying killspam), so it is much harder to take credit when your group wins. Analogously, when your group dies, it will be easier to take blame. That is part of the mindset of support characters; it is certainly not for everyone, and I am bold enough to think it takes a little more maturity to enjoy playing a support char than a damage dealer.

Human nature to whine before praise. I usually assume that if no-ones whining, its a compliment im not acting like a twat, but humans have an inbuilt fault of necessity of responsibility when it comes to failure, but don't be down hearted dude - common knowledge that brits strive for mediocrity in all things and actively celebrate and encourage catastrophic failure

we love it, its what makes us great as a nation

It's much harder to assign blame of a slaughtering to an offensive tank, like my merc self, as its much tougher for me to influence the overall direction of a fight, without killing a key class of the opposition. Nothing i do is immediately obvious, short of killing a vital support class, as quickly as possible.

Healers get a tough time of it, and about 18 months back most of em skipped town when BBs became more popular, but i rely on you guys, so i know it doesn't make much difference in the long run, but you have at least one eternal fan of real "live" clerics. I wish that Mythic had listened to the fanbase though, and at least given us the chance to see what range-limited buffs would be like, but im not prepared to start that flame war up again hahaha!!

 

[Elendar]

In a way, that's true for all support; you don't get to be the one that brings the enemy down (and getting that satisfying killspam), so it is much harder to take credit when your group wins. Analogously, when your group dies, it will be easier to take blame. That is part of the mindset of support characters; it is certainly not for everyone, and I am bold enough to think it takes a little more maturity to enjoy playing a support char than a damage dealer.

good support wins fights, without it you don't have a hope

 

[Killerbee]

Agree with both of you but then we are back on the original point - playing cleric is boring due to more dull role than healer/druid. I don't find healing boring, but find it when you can't do anything else. Maybe an other char can help you (I would have specced my smiter to reju anytime if I could played more with shaman in gg or had had a stealther).

Hmm, my grammar is poor so would be nice if someone translated it to others ^^

 

[SkarIronfist]

I think good support is essential.

Regarding the state of RVR. I just look forward to the day we are clustered with Excalibur, in my opinion it cant come soon enough.

I think a number of factors will come together at roughly the same time, DAOC:Catacombs .. not a great incentive, but it will be nice to play a new character, not power leveled (Ok I may have a few bots ... but take it nice and slow.

Clustered with Excal - Big plus.

WoW - It will have run its course for some people, and the clustered server + Catacombs will be enough to tempt some people back.

The worst thing that could happen is we don't get clustered with Excal.

 

[Andrilyn]

I don't think playing a Cleric is boring, far from it.
Try playing as a solo Cleric in a group these days (seeing as there are very few Clerics these days your most of the times the only Cleric..).
You have much more to do than lets say "assist, stun, debuff, nuke, nuke, nuke" class, I have so much to do that I can't keep up 50% of the time in which ofc someone dies.
Sure if your a "FoP, face against the wall, spreadheal!!!111" Cleric it might be boring but whoever said Clerics were boring doesnt play them the right way in my opinion.

Must agree though having played the 2 counterparts to Clerics (druid and Healer) while you can't compare a healer to a druid or Cleric really due to different jobs but a druid and cleric can be compared and personally I find a druid far easier to play, and if I knew it from the start I would have made a druid instead of a Cleric for sure.
Doesn't take away that a Cleric is a decent class but what I remember from the smite line (after the nerf) that it drained mana like mad (no focus on smite) so you could smite a few times and then your oop doing less damage than any caster so no viable in my opinion, PB mez is nice but most of the time not viable also due to giving the enemy mez immunity as sorc mez is much better, PB dd.. well its nice but before the smite nerf it did 200 damage max so I hate to see the damage now..

Then again I think Alb/pry has had it's best time.. Not much people on at the moment that care about RvR anymore (including me) as it's mostly ends into being zerged by 3 fg rr10 hib groups anyway so most can't be bothered and I would dislike prydwen being merged with excal but it would be the only thing that would revive the RvR in my opinion.
Also the fact that keeps and towers get taken at 4-6am doesn't really improve RvR as people just wont defend and retake towers/keeps that get retaken at such an ungodly hour, I'd even go so far to say that this was the sole reason most Albs just lost the spirit to defend/retake.

I for one will try Catacombs and see how it goes but if after server clustering the RvR situation doesn't improve I don't see much use to keep on playing anymore myself.

 

[Killerbee]

but whoever said Clerics were boring doesnt play them the right way in my opinion.

I still think tho that (especially before TOA) cleric tasks is dull.

Doesn't take away that a Cleric is a decent class but what I remember from the smite line (after the nerf) that it drained mana like mad (no focus on smite) so you could smite a few times and then your oop doing less damage than any caster so no viable in my opinion, PB mez is nice but most of the time not viable also due to giving the enemy mez immunity as sorc mez is much better, PB dd.. well its nice but before the smite nerf it did 200 damage max so I hate to see the damage now..

And lvl 44 smite eats lvl 48 spell mana etc. Smite spec is uber in skirmish, crap in fg vs fg and lol in fg vs zerg.

 

[Andrilyn]

I still think tho that (especially before TOA) cleric tasks is dull.

Well it's constant:
NS
Cure NS!
NS'ed!

And then of course you are inside a tower/keep so you got to find the person that has been NS'ed and cure him while still doing your normal things also.
Having 15 arti's myself so I basically need to discharge an items every 60(?) seconds and switch them constant to keep the timer, add healing to that which you have to be in LoS for on that person in a keep situation, add stuns, rezs, rebuffs (buffshears or after rez) and spam more MLs like FoP and cure rez sickness.
Probably also forgetting some things as I havent played serious in the last few weeks but just try playing a solo Cleric or any main healer in a group these days it drives you mad at times and you can never AFK, ever, when your the only healer in the group.
I sometimes would like to take a break for 3 minutes in the lord room but thats impossible because if I do that and I come back my entire group is dead even if I tell them I go afk, with another class you wont have that problem either as you can just afk for 3 min while a keep is under siege.

 

[Killerbee]

I believe you, mostly 'cause I have 0 experience with NF. Most thing you mentioned came with ToA tho (with chargeable artis, ML spells) and yeah, those trippled at least the tasks of clerics (and guess others as well ). But I didn't deny that us have loads of new tasks and not really can go afk, not even for a mo - but still, with a little "friendlier" interrupt ability in smite line (base and spec) instead of dmg, our role would be more enjoyable/usable and actually would have chance to use all of our lines just like our counterparts in Hibernia/Midgard.

 

[snarf]

In a way, that's true for all support; you don't get to be the one that brings the enemy down (and getting that satisfying killspam), so it is much harder to take credit when your group wins. Analogously, when your group dies, it will be easier to take blame. That is part of the mindset of support characters; it is certainly not for everyone, and I am bold enough to think it takes a little more maturity to enjoy playing a support char than a damage dealer.

Once in awhile you might hear someone saying "good healing" on ventrilo!!!
But dont count on it

 

[Darzil]

The best thing about a Cleric in the frontiers, other than healing, has to be the smite stun. It's Albion's longest range stun, and when attacking defended keeps, there is nothing else better for holding the enemies in a visible location for the wizards to nuke down.

Of course, you get no RP's unless you're grouped with them, but it's the thought that counts !

Darzil (and Kenelm the rejuve cleric)

 

[Belomar]

Once in awhile you might hear someone saying "good healing" on ventrilo!!!
But dont count on it

I know, brother, and I share your pain!

 

[Cavex ElSaviour]

boring or not, as a tank i can only agree that spport in general and clerics in specific wins the battle

 

[Tuorin]

I don't think playing a Cleric is boring, far from it.

Re the stuff you wrote, keep fights are generally not enjoyable for support classes as you point out. Its actually even worse for a warden as we don't have a spreadheal, los kills. Go figure that a warlock gets a spreadheal. ;/

 

[Graknak]

Whats the point in dissing yer enemies who'll then leave to find out in the end ya got no ppl to kill left

Instead of saying "poohah you got pwned" you should realize that this game is far from balanced, which way you choose, so opposed to all the QQ'ing from each side why not discuss things with GOA and see if you can finally make some sort of compromise or idea that'll give a better balance, caus this whole jojo thing switching power from one realm to another will eventually, as you can see, make quite a few ppl leave.