State of Albion..

[Case]

So far since Wow came and before..

AoD quit
Forgotten Legends inactive
Seven inactive/quit
The Rigante 95% gone to WoW for a bit at least
Stigmata gone to US servers
Rising Force moved to Hibernia
TLW gone to WoW

Our alliance is down to around 25 people online in total from previously having on average 3 out of 5 top RP earning guilds per week
GoP, The Rigante and AoD

At the rate this is going ALb/pryd will cease to exist, the average nights RvR before WoW consisted of put together an average RR4 group go for a run praying you don't run into an average rr9 hib or mid group 2 out of 3 times you do and die half of the rest of the time you get hit by mids and hibs or 2fg+ 2nd to last night in DAOC we ran into 3fg hibs 4 times in a row then Maelstrom...

Why do you think Albs are quitting think about it..and yes maybe it is Albs turn to feel the zerg ect but the difference now is that instead of albs moving to mid or hib they'll just leave for WoW

The idea of catacombs coming won't help at all everyone know Alb get a real stuffing with the new classes and at least for me it means nothing new except new classes to be ganked by, why bother playing my Cabalist who gets insta killed by a Warlock when I can just go play WoW and have fun?

 

[Jacilja]

you don't honestly think only ALB players went to WoW do you? if so ffs get outa the house and go visit the land called reality!!!

Every realm/server has lost people, you albs only seem notice it more as your suddenly seeing closer to even numbers not the old "I cant see the enemy theres 100+ albs in our group geting in the way".... must feel realy odd seeing exp spots uncamped for once too

 

[Case]

Oh that was the other point I was going to mention

Community

For me and a lot of my old friends the community died a while back and your reply to my post kinda shows why

 

[Shanaia]

Rising force didn't fully move to hib excal... There is still a couple of us left just not enough to build a group

In my eyes if you move to another server because 'it's dead' all you end up with is killing both servers...

 

[Mauness]

im not sure what rvr is like since wow as i havent been, but trying to find a pve groups seems near damm impossible now. Im not sure if its like that on other servers, but albion has taken a major set back now WoW is out

 

[Cozak]

Welcome to Mid for the past couple months it sucks but can still be a lot of fun in RvR you just need to adjust.

 

[Straef]

Welcome to Mid for the past couple months it sucks but can still be a lot of fun in RvR you just need to adjust.

Mids got themselves to blame -.-

 

[Ogrelin Blodig]

Just hold out! the wow-escapees will be back... DAoC WoW

 

[Ilum]

i blame all the stealthers

 

[Killerbee]

i blame all the stealthers

I will make one on Avalon, will you invite me to Nocturne?

I blame the pathetic number of smiters btw!

 

[Danya]

Just hold out! the wow-escapees will be back... DAoC WoW

Seems naiveté is really in fashion this year.

 

[Rediknight]

Catacombs will draw. If Mythic/GoA put enough effort into the marketing campaign, and target the right groups, curiosity alone will encourage people who left to reactivate for a month (like me and New Frontiers), and it will draw new players into the game, but for some reason i do get the feeling theres a touch of confusion as to who the games being marketed to.

The fantasy genre is well known to be most popular between the ages of 5 and 12, and again between the ages of about 19 and onwards. Theres one big gap during teenage years where the amount of interest in fantasy, dragons, knights, magic and sporking things with tin sticks becomes massively obscured by the interest in girls, getting a car, getting school done with, smoking, underage drinking, etc.

I like the fact that the fact the ToA & New Frontiers advertising campaign was a much more mature approach than the initial launch or Shrouded Isle, but it was so low scale, i doubt many people noticed it.

WoW has the brand - its like no matter how great a taste, how long it stays fizzy, or how mind blowingly cheap it is, no cola will topple Coke and Pepsi. Branding is everything today, and GoA takes such a bashing from its own user base why would we expect anything less than a depleting community and everyone forcasting doom and gloom?

We're exceptionally lucky on the european servers to have at least a couple of GMs we know we can talk to, who we know will listen, and will do their absolute best to make our experience and playing time as close to as much fun as possible, but if all people do is beltch and fart all over the place, how is anyone going to smell the roses? Give up your ideas!! Tell the GMs what you want out of this game, instead of everyone shouting at each other, naysaying suggestions and flaming anyone who doesnt agree with you.

Anyone can post, so if you really want to keep the community alive, get some ideas on the boards, and speak, ffs!!!

I love the GMs me - they have hides of f*ckin iron to deal with us lot haha!

<givfs GM's b33r>

 

[Ogrelin Blodig]

Seems naiveté is really in fashion this year.

hehe, we'll just have to see, don't we?

 

[Belomar]

Mids got themselves to blame -.-

...and you Albs don't?

 

[Sycho]

We been inactive about 5 months or so now and i am glad too really.

Currently enjoying WoW instead where people do not treat the game like a world cup.

Doubt any will try catacombs either, alb has always suffered with active rvr guilds though but you can't blame them when it takes ages to make a decent fg in alb due to the lack of clerics.

 

[Belomar]

it takes ages to make a decent fg in alb due to the lack of clerics.

Not attacking you here, but all realms suffer from the lack of support classes. In the past, the primary Alb complaint was the lack of Sorcerers (I know since I used to be one--an Alb, that is ). I also remember the early days of the game on Excalibur, when Mids were complaining about having no Healers. The standard reply in both cases was "stop crying and go roll a Sorcerer/Healer yourself!" Generally speaking, I guess it has something to do with the perceived "boredom" factor of playing a support class, meaning that people who do roll them usually have a higher degree of motivation than those who roll damage dealers (that Sorcs can be damage dealers nowadays certainly helps).

Incidentally, why Albs would be less prone to play primary healers than Midgard or Hibernia is beyond me; it's all the same playerbase on all realms, and I don't really see a reason why Clerics should be less appealing than their equivalents in the other realms.

 

[Killerbee]

Incidentally, why Albs would be less prone to play primary healers than Midgard or Hibernia is beyond me; it's all the same playerbase on all realms, and I don't really see a reason why Clerics should be less appealing than their equivalents in the other realms.

Shitloads of clerics were in Pry/Alb. Honest. Guess Sycho was talking about clerics in his alliance. And yeah, other clerics left/rerolled due to lack of grps. Kinda funny, not enough grp 'cause not enough cleric, and not enough cleric due to lack of grps. Unfortunatly the 'organize your own grp program' didn't work despite of the high number of clerics.

 

[Killerbee]

One more thing about lacking classes. 1.5 years ago a few friends of mine and me wanted to start a regular grp, guess what were the classes we couldn't get - paladin and minstrel (probably they have the highest numbers beside infis).

 

[Ovi1]

Too much to quote it all ...

Some good points, however I think the big problem from the Euro point of view is that although we may have GMS who listen, Mythic make the game, and Mythic don't listen to us.

We have had DAoC for 3 years, and all through that time Mythic have proved they don't listen, until it's too late. Blizzard's passed history on the other hand has some really good and well balanced games.

One good thing that might come from the WoW release is the fact that the Euro release beat the US release by over 100k!!! That's a lot more subs cash from Eu, maybe MMORPG companies will start to take the Eu market more seriously, instead of feeding us US leftovers.

 

[Sycho]

Shitloads of clerics were in Pry/Alb. Honest. Guess Sycho was talking about clerics in his alliance. And yeah, other clerics left/rerolled due to lack of grps. Kinda funny, not enough grp 'cause not enough cleric, and not enough cleric due to lack of grps. Unfortunatly the 'organize your own grp program' didn't work despite of the high number of clerics.

The past few months there hasn't been many, infact too many scouts to be honest.The morale of the realm seems to go down greatly when rvr guilds do not play anymore which you can see now, it's hard to get that back up again unless they return including ourselves but majority of them have played daoc inside out like myself so are kind of bored of it.

Though when we did play we got the odd idiots thinking everyone in a rvr guild is an asshole just because of one's actions which most rvr guilds seem to get but now they realise it doesn't do them much good at the end of the day as they aren't any different from other players usually except for what they enjoy from the game.

Now we got some mid groups active i haven't even fought some of them, haven't even hit your healer in rvr yet belomar ;p because of alliance being inactive :/ but things happen like these, everything comes to an end and i wish it could be revived again though i can't see it.

Maybe will see you in WoW, if any of you decide to play come and say hello at shattered hand server.I may try catacombs though as i enjoy my wizard.

 

[Killerbee]

The past few months there hasn't been many, infact too many scouts to be honest.The morale of the realm seems to go down greatly when rvr guilds do not play anymore which you can see now, it's hard to get that back up again unless they return including ourselves but majority of them have played daoc inside out like myself so are kind of bored of it.

I was talking about pre-NF, cause quitted 3rd of November, so no experience with NF at all

 

[Straef]

...and you Albs don't?

Mids won't come out because of the albs? Why, because albs and hibs actually put effort into keeptaking etc unlike mids?

Shitloads of clerics were in Pry/Alb. Honest. Guess Sycho was talking about clerics in his alliance. And yeah, other clerics left/rerolled due to lack of grps. Kinda funny, not enough grp 'cause not enough cleric, and not enough cleric due to lack of grps. Unfortunatly the 'organize your own grp program' didn't work despite of the high number of clerics.

Yep, prolly alliance stuff
Rolled a cleric of my own thinking I'd get more groups, but rarely got groups still, tho I got plenty after I closed the acc :x

 

[Straef]

Not attacking you here, but all realms suffer from the lack of support classes. In the past, the primary Alb complaint was the lack of Sorcerers (I know since I used to be one--an Alb, that is ). I also remember the early days of the game on Excalibur, when Mids were complaining about having no Healers. The standard reply in both cases was "stop crying and go roll a Sorcerer/Healer yourself!" Generally speaking, I guess it has something to do with the perceived "boredom" factor of playing a support class, meaning that people who do roll them usually have a higher degree of motivation than those who roll damage dealers (that Sorcs can be damage dealers nowadays certainly helps).

Incidentally, why Albs would be less prone to play primary healers than Midgard or Hibernia is beyond me; it's all the same playerbase on all realms, and I don't really see a reason why Clerics should be less appealing than their equivalents in the other realms.

Some forms of cc in the pac line which made it more fun playing one, and same for druids I guess. Clerics on the other hand don't need to do anything but heal/buff, in a fight they only get to smite when they would win anyway, and it's gimped :<

Maybe will see you in WoW, if any of you decide to play come and say hello at shattered hand server.

<whistles> :|

 

[Crookshanks]

Incidentally, why Albs would be less prone to play primary healers than Midgard or Hibernia is beyond me; it's all the same playerbase on all realms, and I don't really see a reason why Clerics should be less appealing than their equivalents in the other realms.

I suspect the reason for this is primarily to do with what else the classes can do in addition to healing:

Healer) They get to be the primary CC in their realm - keeps them entertained inbetween healing

Druid) Everyone wants to be a fluffy, environmentally friendly druid! You even get a nice bear/wolf/cat to keep you company. What more could you ask for?

Cleric) Well.. um.. buffs? hmm no no interest there. Smite? Well only acceptable if you take it high, and then, (excluding killerbee ) you are much less likely to get a group wielding the lightning of doom.

 

[Belomar]

Now we got some mid groups active i haven't even fought some of them, haven't even hit your healer in rvr yet belomar ;p because of alliance being inactive :/ but things happen like these, everything comes to an end and i wish it could be revived again though i can't see it.

Hehe, indeed, I am a FotM Mid and a new addition to the server. Yes, it is a bit of a pity to have missed the "Golden Age of Prydwen", but on the other hand, there is a new generation of RvR groups out now. I don't know about earlier guild groups on the server, I guess those are hard to beat, but the current guild groups are reasonably evenly matched.

Oh, and you might very well have hit my Bard back in the day, however, though he only got to become a strong Br3hon with spiky red hair before being rerolled.

 

[Belomar]

Both Straef and Crookshanks are advancing the same argument, so I will only reply to one of them.

I suspect the reason for this is primarily to do with what else the classes can do in addition to healing:

That's a possible, maybe even a plausible explanation. However, I would like to point out that not all Healers are specced for CC; Aug Healers are vital in an opted Mid FG (and I happen to be one ). Some Druids get to be Nature-specced for secondary CC and strong interrupts, and this might make the class more attractive. As for Clerics, granted, the Smite line is very gimped and has no space in an opted Albion FG, but a good Albion group these days should probably contain a enh/rej Cleric for shears? (I don't ever seem to be sheared against Albs, so maybe it is not a viable approach.)

 

[Killerbee]

However, I would like to point out that not all Healers are specced for CC

True, but you don't need to be specced in pac to get ae amnesia, single mezz, 11 sec stun, cure mezz (and tho it's not spec line question, you can have FZ and PS, instead of bloody boring FoP )

 

[Killerbee]

Smite? Well only acceptable if you take it high, and then, (excluding killerbee ) you are much less likely to get a group wielding the lightning of doom.

Haha you don't know how long was the last 100k till rr8 due to my spec ^^

 

[atos]

Less censorship over my posts!

Mid was underpoplated for ages RvR wise, so don't come QQ about that. :|

 

[Ticking]

ye poor mids never had a chance yet in 2 years of daoc ;(