spy hrhr!

[Aussie]

i'm not gol anymore nol ;d

 

[Amadon]

Below is my reconstruction of the suspicious events relating to this relic raid. Make of them what you will, it is too early to make accusations, but I would definitely want an explanation of this series of funny coincidences (especially relating to Mistle). Also note that these times are in no way exactly accurate, I might be mistaken on several counts. Yes, this is circumstantial, but it is the best we have at the moment.

Hi der Mister Lets-crucify-someone-based-on-pure-speculation

• ~3 pm BST: The RR3 Celt Bard Mistle is seen patrolling the milegates in Hadrian's Wall over the course of (at least) one hour.
• 4.30 pm BST: Albion recon stealth teams arrive at assigned positions at Druim Cain, Dun Dagda, Dun Da Behnn, and Marfach Caverns entrance (2 at each spot). No enemies were spotted at either position (except for a mentalist at Dagda).
• ~5 pm BST: The Bard Mistle appears at Marfach Caverns entrance and hangs about for 5-10 minutes. It is unknown whether she came from inside the dungeon or not. She then leaves for 10 minutes, and returns again and hangs about the entrance. She is then believed to enter the RvR dungeon, even if our stealthers don't see this with their own eyes (she just disappears).
• 5.30 pm BST: KoP alliance leaves ATK, bound for Marfach, but gets held up at AMG.
• 5.30-6 pm BST: KoP arrives at Marfach and enters.
• 6.15(?) pm BST: High-RR Hib FG arrives at Marfach Entrance.

you left out the bit where a high RR zerGoL group camps Bolg preventing reinforcements getting to Crim while "someone" kills guards for about 10 minutes at Crim with numbers varying from 16 to 32, and with some albs being spotted moving into Collory around about the same time (would've been around 4.30 PM BST at a guess, I didn't check the time tho).
Surprisingly enough, it's not usual to see 32 Albs in Breifine, killing guards, guarding the hib route to emain, and then disappearing without taking a keep. Believe it or not, actions like that are suspicious and lead to people suspecting relic raids.

The curious thing I find is that to my knowledge, there were no Albs in Marfach before about 6 pm BST, when the KoP alliance entered from the Hib side. Yet, the Hib FG arrives at Marfach shortly after KoP enters, so Mistle's call obviously went out earlier than that--yet how could this happen, when there were no 4 FGs of Albs in there to spot? (I am not 100% about this, however.)

mebbe become 100% sure before trying to crucify someone on pure speculation
Mistle has a very good reason for being in Marfach, go read his explanation on the other thread. The group of Hibs that wiped the KoP zerg reacted swiftly to the information passed on by Mistle, since they were already on alert due to the Crim/Bolg incident earlier and spotting an Alb zerg moving

So, when did Mistle report the Albs inside the RvR dungeon?

about 2-3 minutes before Fluid's group arrived at Marfach, info was that Albs were near the exit, so they rushed there to try get them as they ported out

fyi, Mistle also has a good explanation why he was scouting HW, but no doubt in your fervour to try and destroy someone's reputation in the hope that it will redeem the failure of the relic raid you'll ignore his far more plausible explanation.

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

Belo was just stating the facts as he knew them ... and he also stated that he possible didnt have all the facts, or even the correct ones ... so calm down
amadon ... cut down on the Coffee

 

[Tay]

You gotta be some kind of wanker to do that. Hope someone has reported it to GOA.

Agree and check all the feckin logs too, lets see who else he/she spoke to..!

On the surface Ojaas seemed to do the right thing, I think I woulda posted it here when I got the message, then nailed the feckin low life asap, but thats me, Ojaas appeared to have done what he thought was best and gj to him.

DAOC should have public executions for chars that have commited high treason in game

Each execution consists of stripping off chars belongings and destroying all items, all cash stripped and given to realm for door repairs etc, this goes for all chars ont he account, leave them with nothing!!, put notice boards around the major cities and towns with all the persons char names on it for all to see, you dont have to read FH to see what a twat these guys are.

Now thats a fucking name and shame!!

 

[Amadon]

Belo was just stating the facts as he knew them ... and he also stated that he possible didnt have all the facts, or even the correct ones ... so calm down
amadon ... cut down on the Coffee

the tone of his posts indicate that he thought Mistle was the spy or acting upon information provided by the spy, if I misinterprated his intention in his posts, then I apologise for my tone.

 

[Tay]

tbh its getting to teh point where relics are beyond a joke, us albs have put in one hell of an effort into getting the relics back (both str and power) and it just isnt possible, i think that we've proven that several times now, atm its either alarmclock raiding (which i am against) or nothing. as pointed out, even if the server didnt crash, teh raid was doomed to begin with, being 'blown' a whole week b4 the raid, i mean ffs that was b4 half of us albs knew about it!

mythic, goa, wannadoo, whoever is listening : do somthing about the relics because its getting very crap now.

tbh it has happened to all three sides, I dont think for 1 minute we are the only people to have suffered at the hands of some socially inept arse wipe ruining a raid.

We would not generally hear about it in Alb, its not a Alb thing or hib thing its a Moron thing, all three realms have them unfortunatly.

 

[nol]

People, in case you didn't know, my screenshots are fake, I doctored them, guilty as charged, I was taking the piss. OMG no.

1. Conspiracy, is Nol actually blujbum?
2. is Ojaas really blujbum?
3. Is this like the wizard who stood at the mids logout point, more importantly was that wizard blujbum?

IRL.

1. Right Now
2. Reported
3. Hopefully banned

Showing that screenie after the fact does nothing but bring gloom down over the whole of Hibernia. The majority of us did not and will not take part in an Xralm, but now every time someone posts something, Glottis has his next quote. Thanks, there is a God.

 

[nol]

i'm not gol anymore nol ;d

Where you gol a week ago? 'cos if you weren't, then someone is trying to frame you I think The conspiracy has deeper strings :|

 

[Amadon]

i'm not gol anymore nol ;d

nerf overpowered alb groups running with 2 of the best sorcs in the game

 

[nol]

I think, im not sure tho, that the bard in marfach has connections with the screenshots ojaas took. I mean, what the hell would i exp in marfach as a solo bard lol.

Practically ever arti I have xp's in Marfach, plus with cure disease and poison it's the best place for a solo bard to xp. I have x3 47+ bards with x3 different specs, and each of them I have xp'd in marf.

 

[Javai]

To clarify some of the 'facts'

1. The KoP 'zerg' were not spotted on Crim border at all but rather we happened to kill a fg on Hibs on edge of bowl almost at amg. There is nothing strange about that at all. That was about 5.45gmt

2. Due to people losing stick and not knowing their way we were little delayed gettiing into Marfach, we went into Marfach from Hib side not from SH as has been suggested by the Hibs we killed inside. Therefore, we were not spotted going into Marfach at all.

3. We killed some xping Hibs inside as we had been asked to do. We also then sat and pulled Black Lady while the dead Hibs watched. Most of our 3fgs were < RR5 and some were not 50. Heading into SH to do Summoner Raid was not inconceivable.

4. The word from Herbal that 'Hibs knew' came before the Hibs were camping Marfach entrance or entered dungeon, by about 5 minutes.

Of course it is possible people got suspicious enough from those few actions but its more likely that suspicions were already high and that these events merely confirmed that Albs hadn't cancelled.

 

[Ame]

GOA can also just search the logs for around that time for that message. If its there its real.

I don't believe mythics keeps logs. It'll take too much space on their servers to hold everyones logs, so if they did keep logs they'll be deleted within a few days anyways.

 

[Fluid]

To clarify some of the 'facts'

1. The KoP 'zerg' were not spotted on Crim border at all but rather we happened to kill a fg on Hibs on edge of bowl almost at amg. There is nothing strange about that at all. That was about 5.45gmt

2. Due to people losing stick and not knowing their way we were little delayed gettiing into Marfach, we went into Marfach from Hib side not from SH as has been suggested by the Hibs we killed inside. Therefore, we were not spotted going into Marfach at all.

3. We killed some xping Hibs inside as we had been asked to do. We also then sat and pulled Black Lady while the dead Hibs watched. Most of our 3fgs were < RR5 and some were not 50. Heading into SH to do Summoner Raid was not inconceivable.

4. The word from Herbal that 'Hibs knew' came before the Hibs were camping Marfach entrance or entered dungeon, by about 5 minutes.

Of course it is possible people got suspicious enough from those few actions but its more likely that suspicions were already high and that these events merely confirmed that Albs hadn't cancelled.

point #1 i was there, you had the entire zerg /stick on 1 leader, u were along the ZW above the trees at the entrance to crim valley, you couldn't have made it more obvious that u were up to something

 

[noaim]

Why send 4fg to kill a few possible expers anyways? If that was the intension of that zerg ofc, it was if I understood things correctly

 

[Belomar]

Was supposed to be 1 FG of high RR Albs, but due to problems in the Alb RvR guilds, we were unable to do this. The solution was slightly half-assed, unfortunately.

 

[Javai]

point #1 i was there, you had the entire zerg /stick on 1 leader, u were along the ZW above the trees at the entrance to crim valley, you couldn't have made it more obvious that u were up to something

We ran into you before those trees. And yes they were stuck to one leader but there were about 7fgs at amg only 3 were stuck to me.

 

[Fluid]

We ran into you before those trees. And yes they were stuck to one leader but there were about 7fgs at amg only 3 were stuck to me.

well to use it looked like a lot more, maybe its time to stop trying to blame others and just face u got spotted, ur grps made us suspicious enough to go check logout places in collory, u then got spotted in marfach and that lead to our grp finding the main rr zerg /shrug

 

[noaim]

Was supposed to be 1 FG of high RR Albs, but due to problems in the Alb RvR guilds, we were unable to do this. The solution was slightly half-assed, unfortunately.

But still, 4fg? Isnt that almost asking for attention? But I know shit happens when plans dont hold, like with certain avalonians standing on logout spots, but every alb and his mother claiming noone knew

 

[Devaster]

Im a total newb in planning rr's or any other kind of events but i could suggest u a plat that could work better, doesnt matter alb or mids rr'ing.

Look, it is obvious that numbers doesnt not make an relic raid succesfull. There are 2 things wich u must relay on.

1. Speed
2. Quality of execution.

If i were leading an rr i would make it this way:

Scath was owned by mids or for mids it would be easyer. Albs could just make an usual GoL rvr event, they do it every weekend, and take scath. Nothing unusual. Then there are 2 ways to do it:
1. Gol just sit there.
2. They go emain.

Hibs wont come to asault an defendet keep without an good reason.
When the CS gets up. U must have a couple of good grps in emain. ad/fc/bf/no etc. They let themselfs get farmed by some mid zerlings, nothing unusual again, and release to CS. Having 10 perfect, balanced fgs in scath without hibs knowing u can take down dagda doors faster then 1st fg would come to defend. Just need a bunch of rams and a decent amount of FF tanks.

Less ppl - less info leak, faster movement, easy organisations, easy communication etc etc etc

It was damn bad to send 4fgs to marfach in a weekend day realy, as its best spot to exp arts wich exp in rvr zones.

 

[Belomar]

certain avalonians standing on logout spots, but every alb and his mother claiming noone knew

I don't get this reference. Are you talking about me, on Herbal's strength relic raid?

 

[x1339]

I Did It, Roflmao

 

[noaim]

I don't get this reference. Are you talking about me, on Herbal's strength relic raid?

Nah, talking about Ardamels raid on you albs after you had taken the last 2 relics. There was an ava standing at our logspot, ofc mids said spies, and ofc albs said no, we didnt know.

 

[Talifer]

well to use it looked like a lot more, maybe its time to stop trying to blame others and just face u got spotted, ur grps made us suspicious enough to go check logout places in collory, u then got spotted in marfach and that lead to our grp finding the main rr zerg /shrug

We killed your group about 50 yards from AMG, obviously it wasn't just us at that point but every alb at AMG, if you're saying an alb zerg at a milegate is suspicious then I'm sure 99% of Excalibur's population would probably disagree with you.

It seems to me someone has equated 3fg of albs headed TOWARDS the summoners hall as a relic raid, which without previous knowledge is a huge jump in logic.

Talifer

 

[Fluid]

We killed your group about 50 yards from AMG, obviously it wasn't just us at that point but every alb at AMG, if you're saying an alb zerg at a milegate is suspicious then I'm sure 99% of Excalibur's population would probably disagree with you.

It seems to me someone has equated 3fg of albs headed TOWARDS the summoners hall as a relic raid, which without previous knowledge is a huge jump in logic.

Talifer

for the last time, u were all stuck to 1 leader heading along the zw, away from amg towards crim, we thought it was a keeptake force but when u never attacked crim we got supicious u know the rest

 

[Ame]

for the last time, u were all stuck to 1 leader heading along the zw, away from amg towards crim, we thought it was a keeptake force but when u never attacked crim we got supicious u know the rest

Would of helped taking some more of your keeps, since it stops the spawn of some of your el33t guards. Seems herbals plan was to just attack the rk.

 

[Belomar]

No, it wasn't. However, when we heard that the plans had been compromised, there was no sense in subtlety, and thus we all went to Scathaig to at least regroup properly.

 

[elbeek]

I Did It, Roflmao

Twat.

Oh and btw is the avatar a self portrait?

 

[kirennia]

If I'm honest, if the situations were reversed and I had seen albs heading into the summoner hall from hib side (seems no reason to enter from that entrance), I would have said something on /as too. The people in emain were seen and yes the raid was in jepordy here but I think we're stepping too far away from the point of there still was a spy so the raid was doomed to failure anyways.

Imo u should make u'r people to shut up, even having an alb account would be hard i think to know such details. The spy must be an GM or High Rank officer of a guild inflicted else one of them just cant keep the mouth shut.

The logic in this part of your post really baffled me. We need to get our people to shut up you say? Just one question. If we don't know who is giving all our information away, how exactly can we get them to shut up...?

You make it sound as if it was albions fault in general for this leak information instead of it being a hibernian person with an albion spy account. I'm not saying its hibs fault, as it's already been said, every realm has their assholes but it is pretty blatent it was a hib doing it as its hibs who would benefit from it. Unless the person likes shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Fluid]

If I'm honest, if the situations were reversed and I had seen albs heading into the summoner hall from hib side (seems no reason to enter from that entrance), I would have said something on /as too. The people in emain were seen and yes the raid was in jepordy here but I think we're stepping too far away from the point of there still was a spy so the raid was doomed to failure anyways.

not necessarily true, if the spy only told ojaas, who never told anyone until now and our grp hadn't found the relic force theres always a possibility that u may have got away with it.

 

[Devaster]

If I'm honest, if the situations were reversed and I had seen albs heading into the summoner hall from hib side (seems no reason to enter from that entrance), I would have said something on /as too. The people in emain were seen and yes the raid was in jepordy here but I think we're stepping too far away from the point of there still was a spy so the raid was doomed to failure anyways.



The logic in this part of your post really baffled me. We need to get our people to shut up you say? Just one question. If we don't know who is giving all our information away, how exactly can we get them to shut up...?

You make it sound as if it was albions fault in general for this leak information instead of it being a hibernian person with an albion spy account. I'm not saying its hibs fault, as it's already been said, every realm has their assholes but it is pretty blatent it was a hib doing it as its hibs who would benefit from it. Unless the person likes shooting themselves in the foot.

Ok, i have an alb account. Tell me, how could i know such details as day/time/leaving point of alb zeg/marfach route/etc etc 1 week b4 the event was planned.
U know, i dont realy think herbal used to spam /as and postfarm all forums with that information. U have a rat there, its not our problems sorry.