spy hrhr!

[Xplo]

How to find the culprit:
Narrow it down to the people that knew about this 1 week ago, only the raid leader (Herbal?) knows who he told the details to. So make a list of those people, if one of them should suddenly not log on in the coming weeks, then you have your Spy. Then make it public, name and shame etc...

But there might be a chance that the Spy has a seperate hib acc so his alb acc wont be banned ;(

 

[Methos]

How to find the culprit:
But there might be a chance that the Spy has a seperate hib acc so his alb acc wont be banned ;(

Sure they can... the 2 accs will most likely be played from the same IP. If that doesn't work they can always check CC details and see what accounts he has.

 

[Gorre]

postfarm +11

just sad to see such things happen, but what can you do about it?
and what will those frenchies do about?
right, nuffin.

pindlebots wallhax ruined other great games
now crossrealming kiddies macroers etc are doing teh same to doac

good games only live 2years max sad fact :/

 

[Belomar]

If anything, don't criticize Ojaas for this. He did absolutely the correct thing.

 

[Belomar]

wajn...

Shut the fuck up, Ebay whore.

 

[Belomar]

Also, I am surprised and disappointed at Nol for starting this screenshot doctoring thing. It muddles the water and casts the whole issue into doubt. I thought better of you, to be honest.

 

[Devaster]

Not gona defend anything or anyone, just explain what the 30may day was for our grp. Was very usual, like all other weekends days, much enemies, much action.
At 18.30 our warden eemma asked to look for rep couse his connection was fucked up and hero ld'ed and never came back after he said the cpu fan broke b4 so guess cpu gone b00m. So

[18:29]<devaster> Fluid| j00 der?
[18:30]<Fluid|> yeh
[18:30]<Fluid|> coming in 10
[18:30]<devaster> okay

We also asked ojaas to come rvr few times during the day he said got some rl meeting with friends so cant come.

Nothing unusual till now, we made new grp and continued rvr. Nothing unusual until we bumped into a force of albs like 5-6fgs or even more _ALL_ stuck to _1_ person moving on zonewall from amg to crim valey. Alb zerg is usual but u dont often see them so organized moving in odd direction.

This was the first time we were suspicious, it happened i think around 19.30.

After that b4 comming to emain we checked dagda and all collory/breifine keeps. We were near crim heading to emain when we got /as message that 3-4fg albs just passed summoner hall heading marfach entrance. That was about 20.00 i think. We headed to marfach in hope to make some rp, gargo entered dungeon and said that there is a zerg lag, storms everywhere and albs clearing place, killing mobs. We were waiting outside for albs to come out a while but after Kuroi spoted an infil we knew they know we are waiting so entered dungeon, killed those 4fg and headed summ hall enterance where we have met alb rr force.

There wasnt any other reports/warnings over /as or /g except those i mentionated b4.

So this is pretty clear from my point of view, we started to worry after the odd alb zerg at amg, and patroling breifine/collory. Albs got spotted in marfach and reported we went there and found out what is it about.

BUT!
I think, im not sure tho, that the bard in marfach has connections with the screenshots ojaas took. I mean, what the hell would i exp in marfach as a solo bard lol. So in my opinion relic raid failed mostly becouse of the spy but NOT only becouse of this. Yes, if there wasnt any spy, we would not recieve that /as message. Again, im not acusing any1 but it looks odd for a solo support class camping rvr dungeon while albs planning an rr.

The plan was very good but not brilliant, mids had CS in scathing so ofc someone would patrol the zone time to time. Albs in emain were to much organized for an usual zerg, and what the hell, some1 reporting an RR 1 week b4 it would happen. Imo u should make u'r people to shut up, even having an alb account would be hard i think to know such details. The spy must be an GM or High Rank officer of a guild inflicted else one of them just cant keep the mouth shut. I hope goa get the Credit Card details of that account and bann all acounts payd by that Card and publish his IP address so the ppl who want can give him a nice irl /duel.

I think the relic raid would fail anyway even if there wasnt any spy. 1. odd albs amg, 2. Mids had CS at scath. 3. hib patroling the zone 4. server crash. etc. But w/o spy/reports i would been more challenge and much more fun.

Cya next time and hope u'l have more luck and abit better organisation and no idiots with big mounth and ears around.

/military

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

maybe, but i don't think you know how you would react until someone puts u in the situation.

thats the point .. think and u can know.

try and point something a less retarded next time :touch:

 

[Belomar]

First of all, thanks for breaking the usual "Albs suck" routine and discussing this objectively.

BUT!
I think, im not sure tho, that the bard in marfach has connections with the screenshots ojaas took. I mean, what the hell would i exp in marfach as a solo bard lol.

I am beginning to think the same. Like I said, I was patrolling Hadrian's Wall earlier in the day, looking for enemy activity. The objective was to make sure no enemies would be in the Albion frontier and able to spot the relic raid force moving to the Albion RvR dungeon. And sure enough, I spotted Mistle acting strangely running around the milegates in HW. To hear this name again in connection to the relic raid is quite a coincidence.

The plan was very good but not brilliant, mids had CS in scathing so ofc someone would patrol the zone time to time.

Not much to do about it, the relic raid was planned weeks in advance (naturally), and we couldn't help if Mids raided Hibs the night before.

/military

Again, thanks for not polluting this thread with senseless flames.

/military

 

[Devaster]

U'r welcome, as any other decent person, i do apreciate the hard work and effort wich u put in something usefull. Yes, an relic raid is usefull thing apart from then daily alb zerg hehe I also do not understand the point of spoiling an event a week b4 it would happen. We all want to have relics but i want be proud of them, from they way they were taken and how fair they were kept. Dont realy give a flying fuck about losing relics if those who took em did it fair and deserve them.
Imo herbal should find that dickface and make sure he will find out about finest turtures inquisition had

 

[Nuked]

Also, I am surprised and disappointed at Nol for starting this screenshot doctoring thing. It muddles the water and casts the whole issue into doubt. I thought better of you, to be honest.

why not cast the issue into doubt, as much as the original SS could be real, it could also be BS, he could so easily put mine or your name on that SS and they we would get banned, and you know you did nothing wrong so why not imo. either way it probably is real and surely it has been reported already.

i think i would have sent the screenshot to herbal, and rightnow and continued playing as normal.

 

[noaim]

I remember when Salty made it public soon as he got the message, then everyone was shouting and said he should be banned. In fact I distinctly remember people saying he should have done exactly what Ojaas just did.

The difference being that our raid wasnt planned weeks ahead, it happened thanks to dragon not being there on a dragonraid, and he found out and shouted it as we were moving from mtk. If he had found out a planned raid 1 week ahead and told the raiding realm to change date, I dont think the reactions would have been the same. Wont throw any rocks tho, just wanted to point out that it was a totally different situation that time and naturally people reacted different aswell. Wont say whats right or wrong tho, spies are always wrong, but most people who get information from them hopefully dont chose to get it.

 

[Clipse]

look at who that group is made up of lol. All the assholes from FH, that people quite frankly would love to have a pop at ...

Nol your Pictures sook.

 

[Aussie]

sumone call mistar saviour of the hibernian ralm here and explain what he was doing in hadrians wall & marfach entrance

 

[Saevus]

Did you all take a good look at the first ss... it's fake. So there is no proof hibs knew of the raid 1 week before. Not saying that they didn't knew, or that they did knew... but there is no proof.

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

Did you all take a good look at the first ss... it's fake. So there is no proof hibs knew of the raid 1 week before. Not saying that they didn't knew, or that they did knew... but there is no proof.

keep your head stuck int he snd if u want. there was a spy the hibs where informed nice and early.

 

[Chilly]

How to find the culprit:
Narrow it down to the people that knew about this 1 week ago, only the raid leader (Herbal?) knows who he told the details to. So make a list of those people, if one of them should suddenly not log on in the coming weeks, then you have your Spy. Then make it public, name and shame etc...

But there might be a chance that the Spy has a seperate hib acc so his alb acc wont be banned ;(

Due to the nature of information spreading between alb GMs most of the plan was known to most GMs 2 weeks ago, no idea how long before that only herbal and a few mates knew about it.

 

[Chilly]

why not cast the issue into doubt, as much as the original SS could be real, it could also be BS, he could so easily put mine or your name on that SS and they we would get banned, and you know you did nothing wrong so why not imo. either way it probably is real and surely it has been reported already.

i think i would have sent the screenshot to herbal, and rightnow and continued playing as normal.

There are very reliable ways to prove images such as that are real, and most doctored images, like the one that got put up are obviously so.

 

[Fluid]

thats the point .. think and u can know.

try and point something a less retarded next time :touch:

huh?

 

[Ame]

There are very reliable ways to prove images such as that are real, and most doctored images, like the one that got put up are obviously so.

Open two sets of paint. Copy and past the alleged real screen shot, and one of the doctored ones.

Zoom in onto the text and you will see that the alleged real screen shot with the spy sending that message has a random set of pixels near the text. Howether on the doctored ones they arn't random, and are in a regular pattern. Hence the alleged real screen shot isn't doctored.

Also many other methods, but the first screen shot is real. /edit Such as the fonts on the real one matches with the /gu fonts. But on the doctored they don't. Also don't think any fonts on PSP or Paint match up with DAoC fonts anyways, so you would have to copy that send letter from letter from the files if you were to make it succesful. That'll take a while though.

 

[Belomar]

Below is my reconstruction of the suspicious events relating to this relic raid. Make of them what you will, it is too early to make accusations, but I would definitely want an explanation of this series of funny coincidences (especially relating to Mistle). Also note that these times are in no way exactly accurate, I might be mistaken on several counts. Yes, this is circumstantial, but it is the best we have at the moment.

• ~3 pm BST: The RR3 Celt Bard Mistle is seen patrolling the milegates in Hadrian's Wall over the course of (at least) one hour.
• 4.30 pm BST: Albion recon stealth teams arrive at assigned positions at Druim Cain, Dun Dagda, Dun Da Behnn, and Marfach Caverns entrance (2 at each spot). No enemies were spotted at either position (except for a mentalist at Dagda).
• ~5 pm BST: The Bard Mistle appears at Marfach Caverns entrance and hangs about for 5-10 minutes. It is unknown whether she came from inside the dungeon or not. She then leaves for 10 minutes, and returns again and hangs about the entrance. She is then believed to enter the RvR dungeon, even if our stealthers don't see this with their own eyes (she just disappears).
• 5.30 pm BST: KoP alliance leaves ATK, bound for Marfach, but gets held up at AMG.
• 5.30-6 pm BST: KoP arrives at Marfach and enters.
• 6.15(?) pm BST: High-RR Hib FG arrives at Marfach Entrance.

The curious thing I find is that to my knowledge, there were no Albs in Marfach before about 6 pm BST, when the KoP alliance entered from the Hib side. Yet, the Hib FG arrives at Marfach shortly after KoP enters, so Mistle's call obviously went out earlier than that--yet how could this happen, when there were no 4 FGs of Albs in there to spot? (I am not 100% about this, however.)

So, when did Mistle report the Albs inside the RvR dungeon?

 

[bahamot]

[18:17] (Krane): stop relic raiding when i exp my artis!

 

[Fluid]

Below is my reconstruction of the suspicious events relating to this relic raid. Make of them what you will, it is too early to make accusations, but I would definitely want an explanation of this series of funny coincidences (especially relating to Mistle). Also note that these times are in no way exactly accurate, I might be mistaken on several counts. Yes, this is circumstantial, but it is the best we have at the moment.

• ~3 pm BST: The RR3 Celt Bard Mistle is seen patrolling the milegates in Hadrian's Wall over the course of (at least) one hour.
• 4.30 pm BST: Albion recon stealth teams arrive at assigned positions at Druim Cain, Dun Dagda, Dun Da Behnn, and Marfach Caverns entrance (2 at each spot). No enemies were spotted at either position (except for a mentalist at Dagda).
• ~5 pm BST: The Bard Mistle appears at Marfach Caverns entrance and hangs about for 5-10 minutes. It is unknown whether she came from inside the dungeon or not. She then leaves for 10 minutes, and returns again and hangs about the entrance. She is then believed to enter the RvR dungeon, even if our stealthers don't see this with their own eyes (she just disappears).
• 5.30 pm BST: KoP alliance leaves ATK, bound for Marfach, but gets held up at AMG.
• 5.30-6 pm BST: KoP arrives at Marfach and enters.
• 6.15(?) pm BST: High-RR Hib FG arrives at Marfach Entrance.

The curious thing I find is that to my knowledge, there were no Albs in Marfach before about 6 pm BST, when the KoP alliance entered from the Hib side. Yet, the Hib FG arrives at Marfach shortly after KoP enters, so Mistle's call obviously went out earlier than that--yet how could this happen, when there were no 4 FGs of Albs in there to spot? (I am not 100% about this, however.)

So, when did Mistle report the Albs inside the RvR dungeon?

on the last point, our grp was already in collory looking for said kop zerg, checking logout spots etc, we were at marfach within 2mins of the /as message going out, we jsut headed str8 there at speed 6, our plan was to ambush them as they ported out (hence us waiting 20-30mins outside) before we finally risked it and ported in

 

[Khale]

Nol when you try to make a fake screen could you at least end the sentence with a " again... :touch:

 

[Sarsean]

lol nol :/

This was a response to Nol's doctored image of the alleged spy posted today at 04:25 am

Oo first i seen, and couldn't agree more, make sure this guys ip gets banned

This was a response to Herbal's post showing the image of the alleged spy with Fluid's response at 12:53 claiming it's the first time he saw it.

Only possible explanations

1. Fluid has a very short memory.
2. Fluid has access to a time machine.
3. Fluid is inconsistent

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

This was a response to Nol's doctored image of the alleged spy posted today at 04:25 am



This was a response to Herbal's post showing the image of the alleged spy with Fluid's response at 12:53 claiming it's the first time he saw it.

Only possible explanations

1. Fluid has a very short memory.
2. Fluid has access to a time machine.
3. Fluid is inconsistent

4. FLuid has the mental reasoning power of a Napkin :kissit:

 

[Thorarin]

Did you all take a good look at the first ss... it's fake. So there is no proof hibs knew of the raid 1 week before. Not saying that they didn't knew, or that they did knew... but there is no proof.

I don't see any flaws in it that would make it a fake. That doesn't mean it isn't one, but it's not very likely.
If someone spent so much time getting a fake 'screenshot' just right, (s)he should know GOA looks up the conversation in question in logs before doing anything, they don't take screenshots alone as proof.

 

[NetNifty]

Open two sets of paint. Copy and past the alleged real screen shot, and one of the doctored ones.

Zoom in onto the text and you will see that the alleged real screen shot with the spy sending that message has a random set of pixels near the text. Howether on the doctored ones they arn't random, and are in a regular pattern. Hence the alleged real screen shot isn't doctored.

Also many other methods, but the first screen shot is real. /edit Such as the fonts on the real one matches with the /gu fonts. But on the doctored they don't. Also don't think any fonts on PSP or Paint match up with DAoC fonts anyways, so you would have to copy that send letter from letter from the files if you were to make it succesful. That'll take a while though.

GOA can also just search the logs for around that time for that message. If its there its real.

 

[Fluid]

This was a response to Nol's doctored image of the alleged spy posted today at 04:25 am



This was a response to Herbal's post showing the image of the alleged spy with Fluid's response at 12:53 claiming it's the first time he saw it.

Only possible explanations

1. Fluid has a very short memory.
2. Fluid has access to a time machine.
3. Fluid is inconsistent

wtf r u talking about? the first time i saw it was when it was posted here 12.53 yesterday, almost 4 hrs later i replied to nol's (a very very old friend) edited version after he linked it on irc. Maybe its you who is inconsistent not me

 

[Fluid]

4. FLuid has the mental reasoning power of a Napkin :kissit:

5. You have no idea what ur talking about