Spellcraft pricing

[ardain]

Can any SCers tell me pls what the going rate is on Excal? x2 or x3 cost? Currently trying out x2 and x2.5 cost (normal imbue) but dont seem to be doing well at all. Although i would hate to rip anyone off i would expect to make more gold from SCing than i could from spending the time farming in DF. Especially as it cost a small fortune to get to this level.
Maybe we could get a cg going one afternoon and agree on a general pricing structure

 

[Mirhen Morkir]

Well I will not be comming to you to get anything SC'd then. And as for setting fixed prices between crafters, frankly that blows.uke:

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Mirhen Morkir
Well I will not be comming to you to get anything SC'd then. And as for setting fixed prices between crafters, frankly that blows.uke:

Does it? These people spent 15++ plat on getting that high in spellcrafting, and SCing a suit is like MAX 200 gold material price. So i dont see why they cant agree on a price like 2x or 3x higher since quite frankly, anything below one plat for the stats you get is VERY cheap.

 

[Alia_CBH]

These people spent 15++ plat on getting that high in spellcrafting

Who forced them to? I have heard of even 10x the making prices and thats the same rip off as 2x are. Why shouldn't normal crafters not charge 10x too? Clearly they spend there boring time to craft too? I for one will not ever join such cartels when my crats are reaching that skillheights

 

[Gahldir]

Don't think it will work. I rather wait in line untill a friend can make/have time for my imbues for materialcost and tip then 2xMaterialcost or above.

If you spend 20p to get to 1000+ SC/Alch and then get it back, then what will you do? start your own RDRF?

 

[Mirhen Morkir]

Btw peeps, if you need a spell crafter you can speak to Adora when she's online. She unlike some crafters has some morals and charges near cost price for spell crafting.

Don't be a sucker, check the cost price of what you require and make sure you are not ripped off by some greedy crafter who thinks that everyone in Hib should be charged huge markups to sponsor the fact that THEY want to train a tradeskill.

 

[Hestetun]

yep I agree shes got the best prices ever and do the work very fast, I recomand her alot =) :calp: Adora =)

 

[Whandall]

Originally posted by Mirhen Morkir
Btw peeps, if you need a spell crafter you can speak to Adora when she's online. She unlike some crafters has some morals and charges near cost price for spell crafting.

Don't be a sucker, check the cost price of what you require and make sure you are not ripped off by some greedy crafter who thinks that everyone in Hib should be charged huge markups to sponsor the fact that THEY want to train a tradeskill.

thats what ill do with alchemy - only at 550 yet but i wont give up

 

[ardain]

Originally posted by Alia_CBH

Who forced them to? I have heard of even 10x the making prices and thats the same rip off as 2x are. Why shouldn't normal crafters not charge 10x too? Clearly they spend there boring time to craft too? I for one will not ever join such cartels when my crats are reaching that skillheights

If the price you mention was'nt an o/c item then that is truely criminal! If it was for an o/c price however, then i could understand why. Consider the chances/how long it takes to make MP/99% qual gems for full suit of armour. Thats 24 x MP/99%!
I spent a considerable amount of time imbuing an o/c set for someone the other day. Due to the gems/template used the total amount charged was 90g! Whereas a normal crafter can charge 1-3plat for single MP (fair enough). And possibly the SCer has already spent 30 mins helping to tweak the template in the first place.

In response to a general pricing, it was merely a suggestion. Obviously its not a popular one so thats the end of that.

Regarding the comment that x2 is still a ripoff. I use x2 cost atm not one person has complained. I even get tipped.

A typical order :

+4 Blades,+4 CD, +10 Str, +7 Quick
Cost materials 4g 56s x 2 = 9g 12s Price

Is this too much to ask to give your weapon some nice stats?

 

[Mirhen Morkir]

The point i was making is that 2x cost is still a 100% markup, and 100% profit for you. Imo for base quality 100% markups suck.

 

[PJS]

You're forgetting time.

 

[Cloak_]

5x cost for 99% gems

Thats what i charge and im sticking with it,, never had any complaints about cost..

As for time,, its taken me 2 days to just do 1 full suit (thx evor )

If your not OCing your armour then ur stupid imo


PS: Ive actually LOST money charging 5x for 99% gems so dont come back with the bullshit that im overcharging

 

[Arrows]

the key thing here is to do only the high level gems like + 8 stat ones and charge large amounts for mps ones cos they are the ones that cost a lot to make etc .... on my level 50 weapons i think my 300 scer can do all teh work =/
and that didnt cost me 15 p to get her to that ...
its the high + gems that requiers teh high level so charge large bits for those ... and i think people charging mark ups on things they make is fair .... i cant think of any other reason to get crafting to such a high level if not for guild purposes than to make profit

imo =/

 

[elerand]

Can't see a problem with ardains suggestion, so you can get stuff made by friends, that's all cool if everyones donated to the skill already, getting cost from a guildie is like them saying thanks for the support.
Everyone else can expect to pay a bit more and why not, ardain spent about 3-4 hours making me all the gems I needed at 99% and we are in the same guild I gave him a substantial tip for his effort as that is what appreciation is about, don't think you can quibble too much for that, try getting the gems alone and see how much some people want for imbue alone, x2 is a decent rate.

 

[kamosh]

I think that is a waste of time and money, if you use only x2 rate to 99% and 100%, you are going to lose a great amount of money, and that is easy to check. Try to get a 99%-100% focus 50 gem, how many tries do you need? with 1005 in SC 50 focus gems are yellow yet, and that is an expensive work.

In USA DAOC the rates to make gems are:

x3-4 <= 98% qual
x5-7 = 99% qual
x20-25 = 100% qual

I think that is a normal prices to SCer, that spent time and money (15-20p). We need sometimes 4-5 retries to get a good qual in some gems.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by kamosh
I think that is a waste of time and money, if you use only x2 rate to 99% and 100%, you are going to lose a great amount of money, and that is easy to check. Try to get a 99%-100% focus 50 gem, how many tries do you need? with 1005 in SC 50 focus gems are yellow yet, and that is an expensive work.

In USA DAOC the rates to make gems are:

x3-4 <= 98% qual
x5-7 = 99% qual
x20-25 = 100% qual

I think that is a normal prices to SCer, that spent time and money (15-20p). We need sometimes 4-5 retries to get a good qual in some gems.

Ardain wasn't saying x2 cost for 99% gems, just in general, I think it's ludicrous to expect a spellcrafter to either soak a loss or not get something for his time/materials beyond the simple cost value, seems to be a running joke with some CF members to ask him to do stuff then at the last minute say "nah I'll get a guildie to do it".
I think it's simple, if I'm qouted a price at the beginning and I say, yeah go for it, I'm entering a verbal contract, sure there is no way to enforce it but then I'm honorable enough to see it through, just because my guild crafter logs on 30 secs later makes no odds to me, it's not like you buy this crap on the shelf then change your mind at the checkout, someone has spent their own money to make this stuff.

/whine on
Having practiced Alchemy to 900+ now, I can see why alchemists have been charging 30-50%+ markup, it's so hideously expensive that it's like flushing money away, an offensive amount of money.
I'm shocked as sc'ing costs are pretty much lower and tbh I think sc is better than alchemy, cos it means you can get your stats/resists etc tailored to your specifications, alchemy gives you procs etc and all nice stuff to but I'm of the opinion it's too expensive for the benefits it provides...arrrgh alchemy /whine off lol

 

[ardain]

Thanks for clearing that up, i was indeed referring to normal imbue costs @ x2

After spending some time experimenting now, i would agree that charging any less than these prices (seems they are about right Kamosh) can result in a loss.

Heres what i think is entirely fair :

Guild price = Cost
Unspec. qual = x2 (no loss but fair profit for time taken)
98% qual = x3
99% qual = x6
100% qual = x20 (not worth using imo)

If you can get a guild member to make it for cost then of course you're better off getting them to do it (no more jokes pls CF ). If on the other hand you have no guild SCer or one that doesnt have the skill to O/C by 5 points then these prices are completely fair. It is a skill afterall and any SCer that has reached 1000+ deserves to make at least a little profit like any other craft. Just like Alchemy (hideously expensive - i agree elerand) and all other crafting, if it were not for ppl raising these skills then everyone would still be fighting over an EBOP/Hauberk after every legion raid.